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post #8281 of 8425
12/9/12 at 9:58am
I find it funny how all of there updates say the same thing. I can only imagine 2.74 will say the same thing as well. I wish it would says FIXED instead of Enhances. wink.gif


CHANGE HISTORY:

Ver 2.73
- Enhances stability of BD-ROM/BD-R/BD-RE playback

Ver 2.72
- Enhances stability of BD-ROM/DVD-Video playback

Ver 2.71
- Enhances stability of BD-ROM/DVD-Video playback

Ver 2.70
- Enhances stability of BD-ROM playback

Ver 2.69a
- Enhances stability of BD-ROM/BD-R/BD-RE playback
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post #8282 of 8425
12/9/12 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by OzzieP View Post

I find it funny how all of there updates say the same thing. I can only imagine 2.74 will say the same thing as well. I wish it would says FIXED instead of Enhances. wink.gif

According to the Pioneer rep, there is no static Blu-ray format standard that controls all the myriad features/functions on BD discs: each studio is continually adding their own new features and functionalities as they author new releases.

So it's not a matter of 'fixing' anything - it's a matter of updating the firmware to recognize the continually-changing set of features as films are released. This will continue (and necessitate updates) as long as studios make additions/changes to their BD content.
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post #8283 of 8425
12/9/12 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by rider View Post

...(he said they're still supporting some 30-yr-old Pioneer products!).....

This souds good, but who owns a 30 year old product that requires support.eek.gif I would just like more timely updates for my BDP-51FD and BDP-320.biggrin.gif
Edited by bakerwi - 12/9/12 at 1:38pm
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post #8284 of 8425
12/9/12 at 12:43pm
That makes sense, but having to constantly update software at the whim of a studio must be a royal pain.
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post #8285 of 8425
12/9/12 at 8:38pm
i hope they will have new firmware....many new bluray disc needs to play few time

and also i did compare the 09 n the oppo 95 analog 's part to my meridian g68 , and i will say 09 was still a lot better in audio part , but video part was totally lose .tongue.gif
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post #8286 of 8425
12/9/12 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by claero View Post

i did compare the 09 n the oppo 95 analog 's part to my meridian g68 , and i will say 09 was still a lot better in audio part , but video part was totally lose .tongue.gif

You saw a noticeable difference in picture quality? What kinds of differences did you see?
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post #8287 of 8425
12/10/12 at 4:45am
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Originally Posted by claero View Post

i hope they will have new firmware....many new bluray disc needs to play few time
and also i did compare the 09 n the oppo 95 analog 's part to my meridian g68 , and i will say 09 was still a lot better in audio part , but video part was totally lose .tongue.gif

Can you elaborate on the audio and video versus the Oppo BDP-95. I know of one or two owners (neighbor) who have posted on the Oppo thread that preferred the BDP-95.confused.gif I hope this is not just nostalgia talking as it relates to the audio.smile.gif
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post #8288 of 8425
12/10/12 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by rider View Post

According to the Pioneer rep, there is no static Blu-ray format standard that controls all the myriad features/functions on BD discs: each studio is continually adding their own new features and functionalities as they author new releases.
So it's not a matter of 'fixing' anything - it's a matter of updating the firmware to recognize the continually-changing set of features as films are released. This will continue (and necessitate updates) as long as studios make additions/changes to their BD content.

And that's a large part of the problem.
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post #8289 of 8425
12/11/12 at 6:12am
Well my 09fd is having the problem as many have mentioned. Cant play disk or unrecognized disk but some blu rays will play etc.... mad.gif Luckily there is a local electronic store in the Chicago land area that is registered with pioneer as a place to fix there equipment. So I wont have to pay the shipping cost to CA and all that goes with it. He did mention that the blu ray driver is over $300 for the part but this 09fd when it works........ is awesome. Ill keep you posted on the progress.
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post #8290 of 8425
12/11/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by whasaaaab View Post

has anyone heard if they will be doing a 3d update for this player?????

You cannot upgrade this player to 3D... Ever...
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post #8291 of 8425
12/14/12 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

You cannot upgrade this player to 3D... Ever...

That sucks luclkly i have sony playstation then, why could sony upgrade to 3D and pioneer could not strange.
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post #8292 of 8425
12/14/12 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by whasaaaab View Post


That sucks luclkly i have sony playstation then, why could sony upgrade to 3D and pioneer could not strange.

 

Not strange at all really...

 

The Sony PlayStation is built on a rather powerful, specialized, multi core cell processor cpu that provides nine independent threads of execution.  The cell processor was developed by "STI" (Sony - Toshiba - IBM) and designed to be a hub for digital entertainment.

 

The Pioneer BDP-09 is a SoC based Blu-ray player.  The BDP-09 was/is essentially a BDP-05/51 with an extra set of DAC chips for a slightly lower S/N ratio when using analog audio and a Marvell QDED processor for improved DVD viewing.  Basically, Pioneer added $100-150 worth of parts to a BDP-05/51 and sold it for 3-4 times the MSRP price of the BDP-05/51. 

 

The PlayStation cell processor was a $1000.00 chip by itself when it was first released.  Sony lost money on each unit sold.  The PlayStation was sold at subsidized price with Sony recouping the lost money by selling the software at a higher price.  The razor - razor blade marketing model.

 

The PlayStation has the flexibility of an upgrade path from the power and design of its hardware.  The BDP-09 does not. 

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post #8293 of 8425
12/14/12 at 4:59pm
Need Help!!

Problem with my 09.

Put in a BD and the audio is playing but no picture. I grab the remote and press play and the picture comes on. After a few seconds the picture fades to black but the audio continues. At the same time the screen fades to black the display on the 09 does also.
This continues-- no picture, only audio, press play and it comes back for a few seconds and then to black.

Any ideas?

I can't believe this crap. I haven't watched a BD in a few weeks. I used it for an audio CD the other day for the first time in over a year. I have 4 "new" BDs raring to go for this weekend. With the horrible tragedy today in CT. I know this does not register asa problem on any scale. I just was looking to escape the news tonight and lose my mind in some entertainment.

Any ideas on what is happening here??

TIA!
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post #8294 of 8425
12/15/12 at 8:35am
No lurkers out there?

I'm going to run out and replace this fancy boat anchor today. mad.gifrolleyes.gif

Don't have time to do research.

Basically I came up with either the Oppo 103 or the Marantz 5007.

Any opinions? Don't do analogue. Just looking for great picture and audio.

TIA and hurry up! Please! Any advice would be appreciated. I have a stack of Christmas favorites waiting to be viewed (again!). cool.gif







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Edited by LL3HD - 12/16/12 at 8:43am
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post #8295 of 8425
12/16/12 at 7:43am
LL3HD.. If I had to guess I'd say you've accidentally engaged the "Pure Direct" mode.. It is used to shut down the video circuits/display for better sound quality while listening to CDs. There's a button on the front of the unit to cycle through these modes.
I believe theres 3 modes in all .. Normal and 2 versions of Pure Direct - one that kills all video and one that doesn't.. See if cycling through these will solve your issue. If not, perhaps someone else will have a better solution.
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post #8296 of 8425
12/16/12 at 8:39am
eek.gifsmile.gifcool.gif

You're a "pure" genius!! Thank you!!!

That was it. For some reason it was on "Pure Audio"

Don't know why. I don't recall hitting anything.

Stupid question, from an idiot like myself wink.gif -- could playing a regular audio CD cause the Pure Audio mode to be engaged? The reason I ask is because we rarely use the 09 for CD playback but we did prior to attempting the current BD no picture situation.

Well that is a relief. Look at me. I immediately jumped off the band wagon and turned on my 09 eek.gif Oh well, it's not like it didn't crap out before rolleyes.giftongue.gif

Well, funny thing is, since I never heard from anyone here and I was clueless, I was so pissed with my 09, I ran out to my local hi-end guy and picked up the Oppo 103. eek.gifbiggrin.gif

He was trying to sell me the Cambridge Audio Azur 751BD but I wasn't looking to drop that kind of cash on impulsive buying. As it was, the Oppo was costing me 500. That's impulsive enough. I figured on the one hand-- the Oppo is expensive and I could make due with a cheaper player but on the other-- it has most of the bases covered with plenty of accolades. Can't go wrong. Now I just have to convince my wife that the 09 is faulty and we shouldn't take this 103 back biggrin.gif

But the reality is, until I sit down and watch some BDs and listen to some CDs with no problems, the 103 is not getting set up in another room wink.gif

THANKS again ECS01!! cool.gif
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post #8297 of 8425
12/16/12 at 10:10am
Glad that was it! I've received lots of useful tips over time, so it's nice to be able to help out for a change - even if it was too late. smile.gif

I "think" the only way to engage those Pure Audio modes is to actually hit the button, putting in a CD shouldn't do it on it's own, but I could be wrong.. I have a dedicated CD player that I use for music (although the BDP-09 isn't too shabby), so my experience there is limited. I do use the "Pure" mode that disables the unit's display but not the video output when I watch movies. I think it sounds slightly better, but mostly it's just so I don't have to see the lit display below the TV all the time.

I can also totally understand your frustration - I've done very similar things to myself before (and I just had my drive replaced only weeks ago). By all accounts the Oppo units are supposed to be great players, and are no doubt much faster loading,rolleyes.gif so if you decide to keep it, I'm sure you'll be happy with that one as well.
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post #8298 of 8425
12/16/12 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by ECS01 View Post

I do use the "Pure" mode that disables the unit's display but not the video output when I watch movies. I think it sounds slightly better, but mostly it's just so I don't have to see the lit display below the TV all the time.

The "FL DIMMER" button on the remote also turns off the unit's display (it has 4 levels: bright, medium, dim, off). It doesn't have whatever sound advantage you might get from using the Pure mode, but it's a lot more convenient: you can control it from the remote (selecting Pure modes must be done on the unit's front panel), and also you can change brightness levels during playback (you have to stop playback to change Pure modes, which can be a pain when watching a BD).
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post #8299 of 8425
12/16/12 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

eek.gifsmile.gifcool.gif
You're a "pure" genius!! Thank you!!!
That was it. For some reason it was on "Pure Audio"
Don't know why. I don't recall hitting anything.
Stupid question, from an idiot like myself wink.gif -- could playing a regular audio CD cause the Pure Audio mode to be engaged? The reason I ask is because we rarely use the 09 for CD playback but we did prior to attempting the current BD no picture situation.
Well that is a relief. Look at me. I immediately jumped off the band wagon and turned on my 09 eek.gif Oh well, it's not like it didn't crap out before rolleyes.giftongue.gif
Well, funny thing is, since I never heard from anyone here and I was clueless, I was so pissed with my 09, I ran out to my local hi-end guy and picked up the Oppo 103. eek.gifbiggrin.gif
He was trying to sell me the Cambridge Audio Azur 751BD but I wasn't looking to drop that kind of cash on impulsive buying. As it was, the Oppo was costing me 500. That's impulsive enough. I figured on the one hand-- the Oppo is expensive and I could make due with a cheaper player but on the other-- it has most of the bases covered with plenty of accolades. Can't go wrong. Now I just have to convince my wife that the 09 is faulty and we shouldn't take this 103 back biggrin.gif
But the reality is, until I sit down and watch some BDs and listen to some CDs with no problems, the 103 is not getting set up in another room wink.gif
THANKS again ECS01!! cool.gif

For what it's worth, I played a CD on the 09 once or twice, and it had no effect on the video function at all. Pure Mode did not engage. I'd think, as suggested, you have to actually engage the feature somehow, even inadvertently.
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post #8300 of 8425
12/17/12 at 12:13am
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

For what it's worth, I played a CD on the 09 once or twice, and it had no effect on the video function at all. Pure Mode did not engage. I'd think, as suggested, you have to actually engage the feature somehow, even inadvertently.

For years I've played CDs in-between watching DVDs/BDs, and that has no effect on Pure Mode. You definitely have to press the button on the front panel to engage Pure Mode.
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post #8301 of 8425
12/17/12 at 1:53pm
Has anyone heard if the BDP-09FD might support the new “Dolby TrueHD Advanced 96K Upsampling” format through a future firmware update? I know they added DTS-MA after the fact, so maybe it's possible if the internal DACs are up to it? Not sure if the Wolfson's in this unit are compatible with the 96K sample rate, but it would be great if it was possible... I've read the BR format is also backward compatible, but it would be nice to be able to get all the advantages of the improved format if the hardware would support it.
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post #8302 of 8425
12/17/12 at 6:52pm
Bakerwi ,

what knid of problems are you having w/ the BDP 51FD?
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post #8303 of 8425
12/18/12 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

Bakerwi ,
what knid of problems are you having w/ the BDP 51FD?

Just a quicker response to compatibility issues that sometimes arise with new releases.smile.gif
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post #8304 of 8425
12/22/12 at 8:57pm
For the second time my Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD broke down ( UNKNOWNODISC + CAN'T ).The first time it was under warranty,this time it isn't.Pioneer is sending me firmware update ver. 2.73,I know that will not fix the problem it can't read my old Blu-ray disc,it a good thing I have my 95 for backup oh I mean my Pioneer Elite BDP-95FD,LOL
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post #8305 of 8425
12/22/12 at 9:20pm
http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=BLUTRIG&folderid=3596
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post #8306 of 8425
12/23/12 at 6:46am
That is bad news that your player has to go back in for service. Mine is at a local certified shop for the first time but I am glad I dont have to mess with the shipping cost. If mine goes a second time I will not be fixing it again.
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post #8307 of 8425
12/23/12 at 9:16am
Two thing I don't like is,I live 20 minute from the Pioneer Service Center in Long Beach,Ca.and Pioneer doesn't allow drop off ,I have to pay for the UPS shipping and the UPS shipping center is 15 minute from my home and 5 minute from the Pioneer Service Center .Second I don't know what the repair bill going to cost me.
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post #8308 of 8425
12/23/12 at 3:03pm
Yes this is my second time
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post #8309 of 8425
12/24/12 at 9:03pm
Thanks! for sharing. Very nice system and beautiful pics!
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post #8310 of 8425
12/24/12 at 9:05pm
BLUTRIG-

I really want a Pioneer Elite BR player, I'm torn between the BDP-51 & BDP -09....
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