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post #8311 of 8564
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

BLUTRIG-
I really want a Pioneer Elite BR player, I'm torn between the BDP-51 & BDP -09....

If you really must have a Pioneer blu-ray player I would go with the BDP-51FD (not an Elite model) that way if it bites the dust you won't feel as bad.biggrin.gif I personally wouldn't buy either in 2012 unless I thorougly knew the history of the player, because the 1st failure may cost you as much (more if you buy a BDP-51FD) as you paid for the player based on some of the postings on this thread. I've owned 3 BDP-51FDs and 1 BDP-05 since their introduction and sold my last BDP-51FD about 6 months ago for $90 eek.gif.
post #8312 of 8564
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

Not strange at all really...

The Sony PlayStation is built on a rather powerful, specialized, multi core cell processor cpu that provides nine independent threads of execution.  The cell processor was developed by "STI" (Sony - Toshiba - IBM) and designed to be a hub for digital entertainment.

The Pioneer BDP-09 is a SoC based Blu-ray player.  The BDP-09 was/is essentially a BDP-05/51 with an extra set of DAC chips for a slightly lower S/N ratio when using analog audio and a Marvell QDED processor for improved DVD viewing.  Basically, Pioneer added $100-150 worth of parts to a BDP-05/51 and sold it for 3-4 times the MSRP price of the BDP-05/51. 

The PlayStation cell processor was a $1000.00 chip by itself when it was first released.  Sony lost money on each unit sold.  The PlayStation was sold at subsidized price with Sony recouping the lost money by selling the software at a higher price.  The razor - razor blade marketing model.

The PlayStation has the flexibility of an upgrade path from the power and design of its hardware.  The BDP-09 does not. 

nice to know luckly for me i paid cost for my pioneer when it first came out, $1000 is all i paid but if it dies like what i have been reading on here then maybe the new oppo. Thanks for the info
post #8313 of 8564
Much Thanks! bakerwi. Merry Christmas!
post #8314 of 8564
JA Fant I don't know any thing about BDP-51FD,I like the BDP-09FD for sound & picture quality and I like the two HDMI out,but my BDP-09FD has given me trouble over the years,am sending it back for repair again,my Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD has not given me any trouble at all.I would replace my BDP-09FD for a new Blu-ray player but all new player has 1.4a HDMI and my Three 9 (Pioneer Elite,PRO-150FD 9G &SC-09TX and BDP-09FD) has 1.3 HDMI,I don't think that would work,I think I would have to get a all new,TV panel & A/V receiver and Blu-ray player,I don't have the cash for that so am going to pay for the repair. PS: the Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD is good player, Merry Christmas and God Bless you and All
Edited by BLUTRIG - 12/25/12 at 2:08pm
post #8315 of 8564
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Originally Posted by BLUTRIG View Post

JA Fant I don't know any thing about BDP-51FD,I like the BDP-09FD for sound & picture quality and I like the two HDMI out,but my BDP-09FD has given me trouble over the years,am sending it back for repair again,my Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD has not given me any trouble at all.I would replace my BDP-09FD for a new Blu-ray player but all new player has 1.4a HDMI and my Three 9 (Pioneer Elite,PRO-150FD 9G &SC-09TX and BDP-09FD) has 1.3 HDMI,I don't think that would work,I think I would have to get a all new,TV panel & A/V receiver and Blu-ray player,I don't have the cash for that so am going to pay for the repair. PS: the Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD is good player, Merry Christmas and God Bless you and All
( and I love the Pionner Elite BDP-09FD because it a BEAST of a machine and it look good in my rack)
Edited by BLUTRIG - 12/25/12 at 8:11pm
post #8316 of 8564
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Originally Posted by BLUTRIG View Post

JA Fant I don't know any thing about BDP-51FD,I like the BDP-09FD for sound & picture quality and I like the two HDMI out,but my BDP-09FD has given me trouble over the years,am sending it back for repair again,my Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD has not given me any trouble at all.I would replace my BDP-09FD for a new Blu-ray player but all new player has 1.4a HDMI and my Three 9 (Pioneer Elite,PRO-150FD 9G &SC-09TX and BDP-09FD) has 1.3 HDMI,I don't think that would work,I think I would have to get a all new,TV panel & A/V receiver and Blu-ray player,I don't have the cash for that so am going to pay for the repair. PS: the Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD is good player, Merry Christmas and God Bless you and All

Any of the current blu-ray players would work with your current setup unless I am missing something.smile.gif
post #8317 of 8564
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Any of the current blu-ray players would work with your current setup unless I am missing something.smile.gif
I don't know if a 1.4a HDMI cable would work with a 1.3 HDMI cable system
post #8318 of 8564
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Originally Posted by BLUTRIG View Post

I don't know if a 1.4a HDMI cable would work with a 1.3 HDMI cable system

1.4a is just a spec and the cables are backward compatible. I have 2 3D transports playing through a Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD display and I'm using HDMI cables from 2008.smile.gif
post #8319 of 8564
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

1.4a is just a spec and the cables are backward compatible. I have 2 3D transports playing through a Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD display and I'm using HDMI cables from 2008.smile.gif
Thanks that help me a lot I don't have that information. smile.gif
post #8320 of 8564
Well bad news about my certified service center. His shop is unable to order the replacement part. ( # vxx3343) I called pioneer and asked why and they said they dont want anyone learning about their technology so all repairs have to be done in house. This really sux because I am already money in with this shop. Now I have to drive 1hr to pick it up figure out how much shipping is from Chicago to Cal and then have pioneer tell me the replacement part is $350 - the 80 figure out whats wrong deal plus labor and then pioneer will ship it back to me. I think I saw a post on here that the total was like 400+ from someone. mad.gif Maybe just getting a PS3 is a better idea....
post #8321 of 8564
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Originally Posted by Ram Jr View Post

Well bad news about my certified service center. His shop is unable to order the replacement part. ( # vxx3343) I called pioneer and asked why and they said they dont want anyone learning about their technology so all repairs have to be done in house. This really sux because I am already money in with this shop. Now I have to drive 1hr to pick it up figure out how much shipping is from Chicago to Cal and then have pioneer tell me the replacement part is $350 - the 80 figure out whats wrong deal plus labor and then pioneer will ship it back to me. I think I saw a post on here that the total was like 400+ from someone. mad.gif Maybe just getting a PS3 is a better idea....

 

Pioneer parts department lists the VXX3343 drive for $349.75.  They also indicate that it is not in stock.

post #8322 of 8564
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Originally Posted by Ram Jr View Post

Well bad news about my certified service center. His shop is unable to order the replacement part. ( # vxx3343) I called pioneer and asked why and they said they dont want anyone learning about their technology so all repairs have to be done in house. This really sux because I am already money in with this shop. Now I have to drive 1hr to pick it up figure out how much shipping is from Chicago to Cal and then have pioneer tell me the replacement part is $350 - the 80 figure out whats wrong deal plus labor and then pioneer will ship it back to me. I think I saw a post on here that the total was like 400+ from someone. mad.gif Maybe just getting a PS3 is a better idea....
That really sux,sorry you have to pay 2X to see what is wrong and the drive time,don't send the original BDP-09FD Box if you want to keep it,Pioneer will only put in the trash and send it back in a brown box.
post #8323 of 8564
yeah... I wish I'd known that.. not that I had any attachment to the stock box, but for what they charge for repairs I'd hoped to get it back.. I guess the unit made it back intact though, and that's the primary concern rolleyes.gif
post #8324 of 8564
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Originally Posted by ECS01 View Post

yeah... I wish I'd known that.. not that I had any attachment to the stock box, but for what they charge for repairs I'd hoped to get it back.. I guess the unit made it back intact though, and that's the primary concern rolleyes.gif

This is what I saw when I opened my front door when my 09 was returned from the factory. It's hard to imagine what UPS must have done to destroy the box like that.....

Amazingly, the unit was in perfect condition - not a scratch and worked perfectly.

post #8325 of 8564
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Originally Posted by rider View Post

This is what I saw when I opened my front door when my 09 was returned from the factory. It's hard to imagine what UPS must have done to destroy the box like that.....
Amazingly, the unit was in perfect condition - not a scratch and worked perfectly.

That is scary.
post #8326 of 8564
Yikes! I would have been freaking out if I'd seen that on the front step....
post #8327 of 8564
I was sure the player was going to look just like the box: trashed.
I was amazed that there wasn't a single scratch - and after a couple days of testing I verified that it was working perfectly. The 09 really is built like a tank.....
post #8328 of 8564
My BDP-09, repaired under warranty by Pioneer in May 2011 with a new drive and lots of other parts, has failed again. It played fine two days ago. Today it refuses to load any blu-ray. It makes the same clicking sounds it did the first time it failed, then gives me the UNKOWN DISC/CAN"T PLAY DISC message, just like last time. And just like last time, it will play DVDs.

I contacted Pioneeer and since it is out of warranty, it is on my dime to ship it to them and pay for evaluation. It will cost over $120 to ship it back plus another $80 for them to evaluate the problem and then they will quote me a repair cost for a new (3rd time) drive replacement.

I am done. Biggest waste of money ever on an electronic product. Time to buy an Oppo.
post #8329 of 8564
Seen it many times with UPS.... they wear brown for a reason. The gall of leaving boxes like that is immense. I have had boxes delivered to me so messed up they had to use duct tape around the whole thing to hold it together! Naturally, I promptly took photos, contacted UPS, said come and get that mess you had the balls to deliver to me and called the shipper to obtain a replacement and ship by Fed EX. Never had a problem with Fed EX and almost every box delivers (and ships to recipient) like it had never been touched.

Never, ever, ever, UPS if I have an option.
post #8330 of 8564
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Originally Posted by yoshiwara View Post

My BDP-09, repaired under warranty by Pioneer in May 2011 with a new drive and lots of other parts, has failed again. It played fine two days ago. Today it refuses to load any blu-ray. It makes the same clicking sounds it did the first time it failed, then gives me the UNKOWN DISC/CAN"T PLAY DISC message, just like last time. And just like last time, it will play DVDs.
I contacted Pioneeer and since it is out of warranty, it is on my dime to ship it to them and pay for evaluation. It will cost over $120 to ship it back plus another $80 for them to evaluate the problem and then they will quote me a repair cost for a new (3rd time) drive replacement.
I am done. Biggest waste of money ever on an electronic product. Time to buy an Oppo.

Buy an Oppo BDP-105. I am a long time owner of a BDP-09 that has (crossed fingers) never had a problem of any kind. But, if I had it to do all over again, I'd spring for the 105 in a heartbeat.
post #8331 of 8564
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Originally Posted by yoshiwara View Post

My BDP-09, repaired under warranty by Pioneer in May 2011 with a new drive and lots of other parts, has failed again. It played fine two days ago. Today it refuses to load any blu-ray. It makes the same clicking sounds it did the first time it failed, then gives me the UNKOWN DISC/CAN"T PLAY DISC message, just like last time. And just like last time, it will play DVDs.
I contacted Pioneeer and since it is out of warranty, it is on my dime to ship it to them and pay for evaluation. It will cost over $120 to ship it back plus another $80 for them to evaluate the problem and then they will quote me a repair cost for a new (3rd time) drive replacement.
I am done. Biggest waste of money ever on an electronic product. Time to buy an Oppo.

Wow, now that is a HUGE Deal. Certainly not worth the cost of doing that all over again. Are those new parts not covered?
I guess I am just lucky mine is still holding up just fine. You would think as solid as these things were built they would last longer.
I still have an ancient $59.00 Walmart Coby DVD player in the kids room that works like a charm. Go Figure maybe Coby'd are better
built than Pioneers.
Edited by OzzieP - 1/3/13 at 3:19pm
post #8332 of 8564
Yoshiwara:

Sad to hear that your drive has failed for a second time.... Mine was replaced under warranty and while I have had no issues so far playing Blu-rays and DVDs.. now it has had issues with CDs which it never did previously.... Fortunately I use my DV-59AVi for most of CD listening and would not have even known of this issue if not for having a DVD in the 59AVi and wanting to preserve the spot I left it on.

Pioneer took care of me on the first fix.... however they know and should acknowledge this is a "class" issue with the drive failures and should replace them in a recall...

Since I am having a 3D 55" Panasonic delivered next week to replace my old rear projection CRT HDTV, I ordered a $99 Panasonic player to play 3D movies... I doubt I will fix my Pioneer 09FD if it fails again......

Fred
post #8333 of 8564
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post

Yoshiwara:
Sad to hear that your drive has failed for a second time.... Mine was replaced under warranty and while I have had no issues so far playing Blu-rays and DVDs.. now it has had issues with CDs which it never did previously.... Fortunately I use my DV-59AVi for most of CD listening and would not have even known of this issue if not for having a DVD in the 59AVi and wanting to preserve the spot I left it on.
Pioneer took care of me on the first fix.... however they know and should acknowledge this is a "class" issue with the drive failures and should replace them in a recall...
Since I am having a 3D 55" Panasonic delivered next week to replace my old rear projection CRT HDTV, I ordered a $99 Panasonic player to play 3D movies... I doubt I will fix my Pioneer 09FD if it fails again......
Fred

I just need my 09FD to last long enough until a good 4K player is released.
post #8334 of 8564
Anybody heard any further word on the 2.74 firmware update? Still not on PNA's USA website and nothing on firmware update on the player's web connection. I found out the Total Recall disc issue not playing is a firmware issue with all players due to Sony's copyright protection changing, once again. Supposedly, from what I am told by Sony today, all players require a firmware upgrade to make it playable (TrueHD audio track). Let's hope 2.74 fixes this and is released very soon.
post #8335 of 8564
Have any of you guys owned the BDP-05?
As above, I love my DV-59AVi player. Still a killer reference for DVD.
post #8336 of 8564
Wow.. Yoshiwara - that is truly a bummer... If it helps at all, I was told by Pioneer when I had mine serviced last month (same issue of course) that the the repair was covered for 12 months, so you might be able to get it fixed again on their dime at least. I know that does little to make up for the hassle of having to deal with it again though.

As for the new update, I haven't any new information, but as far as I'm concerned, it's just another reason to hate on Sony - and I have plenty of those already.
post #8337 of 8564
Thanks for the suggestion, but it was repaired under warranty at the end of May 2011 and failed four days ago, Besides, when I called Pioneer customer service and spoke with their blu-ray player division, I was told the repair was only guaranteed for 90 days out of warranty. What makes it all the worse is the poor attitude of Pioneer customer service about the whole thing. They had all my records, and showed it had been repaired previously. The repairs were more than just the blu-ray drive, they replaced a whole bunch of stuff including the main circuit board. So it lasted another 1-1/2 yrs of light use - maybe three to four blu-rays a week. That is all, I travel a lot with my job or work long hours so I watch blu-rays generally only on weekends. Sometimes, it does not get turned on at all for over a two weeks while I am out of town on extended trips.

Really, the more I think about this, after sinking so much money into this player ($1800 new on sale in late 2009) and especially the whole couldn't give a rat's ass attitude of the customer rep, I am just plain angry. Pioneer has lost a customer. This is supposed to be the flagship of their players, reliable, built like a tank, and a superb all around player for more than just blu-rays. It is that, when it works. A year and a half after the first repair, it is failed again, with the same problem as before, and will cost me close to $600 to repair by the time I ship it back and pay for the parts and labor. This player has problems with reliability, reported on every forum I have come across about it. This model should have undergone a recall. Given its poor performance record, Pioneer should stand behind their product and offer drive replacements under a program that extends beyond the initial warranty, and certainly at least a couple of years past a repair for the same known problems. Three drive failures in three years is a crock of sh#t for their flagship model. Pioneer needs to stand with their customers in doing the right thing about it, especially given the excellent competition they have and choices available to consumers.

It doesn't matter now because I am done. I am going this week to pick up an Oppo 105 at Best Buy. Congratulations to those of you who have not had any drive failures with the BDP-09. It really is a fantastic player, I wish mine still performed at the level I expected when I paid a premium for it. But the build quality of the parts and the overall reliability is too poor for this to be marketed and priced as a flagship player.
Edited by yoshiwara - 1/7/13 at 10:10pm
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Has anybody not had a drive failure that has used this for 2+ years?
post #8339 of 8564
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post

Has anybody not had a drive failure that has used this for 2+ years?

I haven't so far. I bought mine 3/09.
post #8340 of 8564
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post

Has anybody not had a drive failure that has used this for 2+ years?

Me. Had mine since 10/09 with no real issues to speak of. At least nothing a firmware update didn't correct.

Cheers!
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