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post #8491 of 8564
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

Much Thanks! Jon S. + B curry,

it is a damn shame we (consumers) are bombarded w/ so much junk electronics.
I have had great luck w/ the Pioneer 59 -AVi for my dvd(s).
I guess the BDP-09 is not on par ?

 

Ya know, if the BDP-09FD drive was more reliable or not so expensive to replace buying one might not be so bad.  But it is a 5+ year old machine.  Arguably, the BDP-09FD was obsolete about 6 months after it came out when Oppo came to market with their BDP-83.

 

Almost any new machine you might buy is several times faster loading a disc and navigating menus than a BDP-09FD.  Almost all new machines offer some form of streaming apps, Netflix, Vudu, YouTube, etc.

 

It all comes down to what you want the machine for and to do.  IMHO if all you want to do is bitstreaming blu-ray then a $60 Sony is probably good enough today.  If your willing to spend $500 then an Oppo is the ticket.  If you want to spend more than $500 you're probably showing off.

 

From my viewpoint the BDP-09FD was a transition machine in many, many ways.  Digital Blu-ray and HDMI is a great equalizer.  Pioneer took advantage of people still thinking about all the real and false problems with analog video and audio.  They brought out an expensive flagship that had some nice things about it, some things that were unnecessary overkill, and some things that were just plain snake oil.  It had an MSRP of $2200 so it must be be the best right?  If you take note, Pioneer hasn't brought another machine out even close to the BDP-09FD in spec's or price point since.

 

As always YMMV and the above is just my opinion.

post #8492 of 8564
I own both the 103 and the 09 and they both presently reside in my rack. I still love and prefer my 09. A boat anchcor? Hardly. I guess I got lucky and got one with a good drive.
post #8493 of 8564
Many Thanks! G-Rex,

b curry - Pioneer certainly knew that they were building a true reference player w/ the 09.
Again, Pioneer built a true reference DVD player w/ the 59 AVi , as it is still highly regarded for its 14 -bit processing.

I wonder the reason for this company not have stock piles of drives ?
We all know that at some point in time , it could fail/develop issues?
post #8494 of 8564
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

Many Thanks! G-Rex,

b curry - Pioneer certainly knew that they were building a true reference player w/ the 09.
Again, Pioneer built a true reference DVD player w/ the 59 AVi , as it is still highly regarded for its 14 -bit processing.

I wonder the reason for this company not have stock piles of drives ?
We all know that at some point in time , it could fail/develop issues?

 

Question's I think only Pioneer can answer...  You have to decide if you want to roll the dice...

 

While you're looking at high dollar BD players on the used market you might take a look at:

 

 

 

 

The interesting thing about these three BD players I've listed above, they are all re-badged Oppo BD-83's.  The Oppo BD-83 sold for $500.  I'm willing to bet that if you contact an owner of any one of the above BD players they will be able to tell you why they think their player is better than the Pioneer BDP-09FD or any other BD player you might want to compare.

 

It's well documented that at least one of the above players is an Oppo with only a face plate change selling at a $3000 premium.  All of the above manufactures claim to have made improvements to the stock Oppo when the public realized the machines were Oppo's.  None of the above machines are in production at this time.

post #8495 of 8564
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

Thank You! B curry.

I am thinking about picking up one of these BR players.

JA,

Are looking to buy the drive or the player? If it is the player why would you want ANY player from 2008 and the prospects of possibly having to deal with a drive issue on this specific player.eek.gif In 2014 I would think the offerings from Cambridge, Marantz or Oppo would be better options. From all accounts this player was a gem in its day, but that day is 4 to 5 years ago.smile.gif I was a previous owner of a BDP-51 and BDP-05 and currently own 2 BDP-320s. However, I doubt if we will ever see Pioneer put players comparable to the aforementioned players and the BDP-09 again.
Edited by bakerwi - 2/11/14 at 8:49am
post #8496 of 8564
b curry & bakerwi,

all great points. Yes, i have followed that saga/drama surrounding re-badged OPPO players via Lexicon, Ayre & Theta. Very funny indeed, you know those companies did not want that kind of juciness leaked out to the general public...laughing...

I did like the Lexicon RT 10/20 universal players. Solid built machines, IMO.
post #8497 of 8564
All great points guys. Remember, no matter the age of this player, it is still a reference piece.
I wish we would see a resurgence of modders for both cd & dvd players.biggrin.gif
post #8498 of 8564
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

All great points guys. Remember, no matter the age of this player, it is still a reference piece.
I wish we would see a resurgence of modders for both cd & dvd players.biggrin.gif

Yes, it was a reference player when it was released, but I think now the newer players like the Oppo 105 is the current reference standard... The Oppo's ESS9018 DACs with 135dB DNR are superior to the Wolfsons in the Pioneer. The Oppo is far faster, supports 4K, has 3D support, does 2D to 3D conversion, has analog and balanced outputs, supporting both SACD and DVD Audio. It also supports streaming and accepts multiple file formats through its front panel USB port.

I still have my Pioneer in my system but I rarely use it as my Oppo is just so much more convenient and faster responding.
post #8499 of 8564
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

All great points guys. Remember, no matter the age of this player, it is still a reference piece.
 

 

I guess it would depend on what your reference is...

 

One man's ceiling is another man's floor...  :)

post #8500 of 8564
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post


Yes, it was a reference player when it was released, but I think now the newer players like the Oppo 105 is the current reference standard... The Oppo's ESS9018 DACs with 135dB DNR are superior to the Wolfsons in the Pioneer. The Oppo is far faster, supports 4K, has 3D support, does 2D to 3D conversion, has analog and balanced outputs, supporting both SACD and DVD Audio. It also supports streaming and accepts multiple file formats through its front panel USB port.

I still have my Pioneer in my system but I rarely use it as my Oppo is just so much more convenient and faster responding.

 

Yep, all that and the Oppo has a selling price that's approximately half of the BDP-09FD's MSRP when it was available.  Ain't progress a marvelous thing!

post #8501 of 8564
My 1000es is professionally calibrated so all 3 of my BR players are on default settings. For me, the 09 puts out a superior 2d picture than the 103 and Panasonic BDT-500. For 3d I prefer the sharper picture with better depth from the Panny. The Oppo has difficulty with streaming through my McIntosh 151 processor as it produces no sound while the Panny streams flawlessly. Another persons gem...turned out not to be mine.
post #8502 of 8564
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Originally Posted by G-Rex View Post

My 1000es is professionally calibrated so all 3 of my BR players are on default settings. For me, the 09 puts out a superior 2d picture than the 103 and Panasonic BDT-500. For 3d I prefer the sharper picture with better depth from the Panny. The Oppo has difficulty with streaming through my McIntosh 151 processor as it produces no sound while the Panny streams flawlessly. Another persons gem...turned out not to be mine.

 

You may want to check the Oppo site for new firmware as your problem has a solution with new Beta Firmware:

 

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/BDP103-firmware-69-0124B.aspx

 

 

Oppo Release Notes:

 

Resolved a compatibility issue between BDP-103/105's HDMI 1 Output to the McIntosh MX150/151 AV Processors. Users reported no audio when using this combination, so we added special instructions for these A/V processors in the HDMI handshake process. We highly recommend that you contact McIntosh Technical Support to upgrade your MX150/151 firmware to the latest version.

post #8503 of 8564
Thanks for the info. I will update the player's firmware.
post #8504 of 8564
Gotta love Oppo's customer service....
post #8505 of 8564

Anyone care to take a stab at what someone could get for a mint condition BDP-09FD?

 

I am almost afraid to hear...

post #8506 of 8564
You would be lucky to get about $300... I have seen BDP05FDs go for $50-100...
post #8507 of 8564
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

You would be lucky to get about $300... I have seen BDP05FDs go for $50-100...

 

I guess I would be "OK" with $300....

 

It is in absolute mint condition...

post #8508 of 8564
I think $300 is a fair price.smile.gif
post #8509 of 8564
Sellers beware ...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=bdp-09fd&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc

Two BDP-09FDs recently sold on eBay for (2 bids) $751.59+$76.58 shipping on 1/24/2014 and (4 bids) $726.89 + free shipping on 12/20/2013
post #8510 of 8564
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Originally Posted by cbono View Post

Sellers beware ...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=bdp-09fd&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc

Two BDP-09FDs recently sold on eBay for (2 bids) $751.59+$76.58 shipping on 1/24/2014 and (4 bids) $726.89 + free shipping on 12/20/2013

 

Wow, thank you very much!

 

Not thinking $300 is a fair price anymore, lol...:)

post #8511 of 8564
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Originally Posted by cbono View Post

Sellers beware ...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=bdp-09fd&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc

Two BDP-09FDs recently sold on eBay for (2 bids) $751.59+$76.58 shipping on 1/24/2014 and (4 bids) $726.89 + free shipping on 12/20/2013

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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post

Wow, thank you very much!

Not thinking $300 is a fair price anymore, lol...smile.gif

I would quickly list on eBay before savvy buyers start doing their research. I've watched US bidders over bid on items that they can purchase locally or through Amazon.com new. I think some get caught up in the bidding process. You may also want to consider Audiogon.com.
Edited by bakerwi - 2/19/14 at 3:50pm
post #8512 of 8564
Laughing...

eBay has become so over-priced on everything...
post #8513 of 8564
Shopping on EBay requires the bidder to read carefully and thoroughly & know what he/she is doing before bidding.
Do your homework, set a maximum price you are willing to pay for what you are looking for, and stick to your decision.
I've done fine by sticking to disciplined bidding/buy it now practices.
post #8514 of 8564
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Originally Posted by Rich86 View Post

Shopping on EBay requires the bidder to read carefully and thoroughly & know what he/she is doing before bidding.
Do your homework, set a maximum price you are willing to pay for what you are looking for, and stick to your decision.
I've done fine by sticking to disciplined bidding/buy it now practices.

I take a similar approach.smile.gif
post #8515 of 8564
The features are still great on the BDP-09FD
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Blu-ray-Disc/Elite-Blu-ray-Disc-Players/BDP-09FD

This is still an amzing player, yes it does not have 4K or 3D capabilities but its still a great player. Rumor had it that they were going to do an update or modification to get it to play 3D but now we have 4K so I doubt it now. OPPO is great yes which I will probably get so I can watch 4K content and listen to SACD etc... once they get HDMI 2.0 but my 09FD has never had any problems I have been very lucky with mine knock on wood lol.

These are great key points below

8 Separate Wolfson audio DACS for each analog output - not the ess saber32 Dac but stll good
BD-Live™ compatible* w/ 4GB internal memory
PQLS Jitter-free audio transmission
Original Pioneer developed 16-Bit Video processing LSI - this upscales movies if I am correct. nobody else has this. You only see 10 and maybe 12 bit again only on TV's maybe so imagine playing movies with this on a 4K TV wow. They were on the right track
Edited by whasaaaab - 2/22/14 at 10:05am
post #8516 of 8564

With the stellar reviews of the new Pioneer Elite SC-79...

 

I am seriously thinking about keeping my 09FD...

 

Where was the "rumor" that Pioneer was going to update it to 3D...? :)

post #8517 of 8564

Hi everyone...

 

I have a few questions...:)

 

The 09FD is HDMI 1.4 - correct?

 

I thought that our 1.3 was upgraded to a 1.4 via firmware update....?

 

And - I read a rather "strange" thing in a review of the Elite SC-79 AVR...

 

It said that the AVR wont let you set different crossover points for your speakers - that all speakers will be set at the same crossover...

 

Which, as the reviewer pointed out is quite odd...

 

Since I have full range tower speakers for my fronts - it seems that the SC-79 - will not let me make good use of them - if I am also running a sub-woofer.

 

However, my understanding is that the 09FD lets me set individual speakers crossover points...

 

According to the spec sheet:

 

The BDP-09FD's other speaker setup options let you configure distance for individual speakers, set channel level (in 0.5-dB increments), and select a crossover point. (Pioneer's latest firmware update adds 50-, 80-, 100-, and 150-Hz options.)

 

So, I should be OK then, or...?

 

Thanks!

post #8518 of 8564
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post
 

Hi everyone...

 

I have a few questions...:)

 

The 09FD is HDMI 1.4 - correct?

 

I thought that our 1.3 was upgraded to a 1.4 via firmware update....?

 

And - I read a rather "strange" thing in a review of the Elite SC-79 AVR...

 

It said that the AVR wont let you set different crossover points for your speakers - that all speakers will be set at the same crossover...

 

Which, as the reviewer pointed out is quite odd...

 

Since I have full range tower speakers for my fronts - it seems that the SC-79 - will not let me make good use of them - if I am also running a sub-woofer.

 

However, my understanding is that the 09FD lets me set individual speakers crossover points...

 

According to the spec sheet:

 

The BDP-09FD's other speaker setup options let you configure distance for individual speakers, set channel level (in 0.5-dB increments), and select a crossover point. (Pioneer's latest firmware update adds 50-, 80-, 100-, and 150-Hz options.)

 

So, I should be OK then, or...?

 

Thanks!

 

The BDP-09FD is HDMI 1.3a.  You cannot up grade to HDMI 1.4a via firmware; that would require new hardware.  Your're stuck at HDMI 1.3a.

post #8519 of 8564
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post
 

 

The BDP-09FD is HDMI 1.3a.  You cannot up grade to HDMI 1.4a via firmware; that would require new hardware.  Your're stuck at HDMI 1.3a.

 

Which really only means no 3D, correct...?

post #8520 of 8564
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post
 

 

Which really only means no 3D, correct...?

 

Yep, that's correct, no 3D.  It also means it doesn't support any of the additional HDMI 1.4a features that were added.


Edited by b curry - 2/23/14 at 11:12am
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