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post #3541 of 4096
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Originally Posted by Cyclone2 View Post

Hi All,

I just got LX-56 about a weeks time. Was trying to run MCACC with Full Auto and Auto.

final result showing for both is almost identical, the gain is quite high, minimumly +5db for front, front height about +6.5db and surround more worse, about +9db for SR and SL about +6.5db.....Center and Woofer is looks normal to me...Previously was using Onkyo 608 but the auto calibration was not getting that high gain

the amp is in living room and size about 14" x 22", is the gain normal?

I'm using Wharfedale diamond 9.5 for front, 9.CC for center, 9.1 for Surround and SW-150 for woofer. The front height is 2 small satellite speaker from Sony. Been using this setup since Onkyo 608.

Thanks.

Depending on speaker sensitivity the speaker trim levels do not appear to be abnormal.
You cannot compare the onkyo settings to the pioneer.
Does the system sound like it's balanced?
post #3542 of 4096
Hi everyone,

I've had an SC-1227-K for about a month now. Last night I was running the MCACC again after moving some things. After running it a second time (I messed it up the first time) I am no longer able to run the MCACC. It brings me to the page and won't allow me to press "start" to run it. It also will not work if I try to run it via the wiring navi from my PC. Any ideas?
post #3543 of 4096
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post

Depending on speaker sensitivity the speaker trim levels do not appear to be abnormal.
You cannot compare the onkyo settings to the pioneer.
Does the system sound like it's balanced?

Hi, it seem like not balance to me, as the surround sound hardly can hear.....
post #3544 of 4096
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Originally Posted by Theprincipal View Post

Hi everyone,

I've had an SC-1227-K for about a month now. Last night I was running the MCACC again after moving some things. After running it a second time (I messed it up the first time) I am no longer able to run the MCACC. It brings me to the page and won't allow me to press "start" to run it. It also will not work if I try to run it via the wiring navi from my PC. Any ideas?

Not an expert, but until someone may have a better answer, check the manual on how to reset the receiver, then try again.
post #3545 of 4096
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Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post

Not an expert, but until someone may have a better answer, check the manual on how to reset the receiver, then try again.

Don't know how I didn't think of that lol.

Thanks, I'll give it a try.
post #3546 of 4096
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post #3547 of 4096
I have a VSX-1020-K, but my cat cut the MCACC microphone cord. I tried patching it back together, but continue to get microphone errors. Does anyone know of a cheap replacement I can use? Would using a different mic screw my calibration? Anyone have such a mic that I can borrow over mail? I'd pay shipping both ways.
post #3548 of 4096
I am surprised you weren't able to re-connect the wires and have it work, maybe there was other damage?

I would just bite the bullet and order one from the Pioneer site (about $40 last time I checked).

Suggested reading: "101 Ways to Cook a Cat"... smile.gif
post #3549 of 4096
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

fair enough smile.gif

yes, that's looks like the best approach. you can manually do the phase adjustment. you can look at the reverb measurements but to do anything about them means re-running the Acoustic Professional EQ (what Auto MCACC uses) & that will overwrite the EQ your calibrator did. the reverb compensation in Acoustic Professional EQ adjusts the time after the mic 1st receives the sound until the sound for each freq band to increase in volume & level off. the time where each one levels off is used as the measurement time for increasing or reducing the freqs. so it's a test tone, measure, adjust, re-do test tone & re-measurement approach to arriving at the final equalizer settings.

this is hard to explain but I'll give it a try.

the reverb compensation automatically happens when you do Auto MCACC which uses it to do the Acoustic Professional EQ. If you re-run that, you will overwrite your calibrators EQ settings. reverb compensation doesn't accomplish anything if its a manual EQ because those freq's have already been adjusted.

you can manually do Reverb View in which you view the reverb characteristics the Acoustic EQ Professional did. or you can do Reverb Measurement, in which you actually do the measurement, so you can manually set the time delay to a desired point that you decide.

however, IMO, if the calibrator's EQ settings sound good to you, then there's no further need to do anything with the reverb measurement because he did all his EQ manually to begin with. the reverb adjustment is for telling Auto MCACC when to do its measuring & adjusting. it's superfluous for a manual EQ since it's not used nor needed because it was set manually by another method (SPL, hearing)

Phase Control: on the other hand, would be something for you to do since 1) that has no effect on your EQ settings and 2) adjusts every speaker's group delay so that sound from each driver arrives at your ears mostly in phase. that is a totally separate measurement that follows the EQ in Auto MCACC has no effect on it. and you turn on or turn off Phase Control by itself in the audio parameters. so do that one manually and then you can select Full Band Phase Control, Bass Phase Control or Off as you wish. so that one is one to do manually.

Standing Wave Filters: you didn't say if your calibrator used these in his manual measurements or not. if he did, you're done. if he didn't, you can manually run them but they are a simple form of parametric EQ for 3 bass freq's. if you don't have audio measuring software & measuring mic like XTZ Analyzer, Omnimic, REW, Room EQ Wizard, I'm not sure how you would do this by ear...you really can't know how to make adjustments to reduce bass peaks & valleys. you could try but it would be working in the dark without a real time freq response measurement. your calibrator probably could have or did use something like a real time analyzer in which case he could have set these, if he was familiar with Pioneer & knew it existed. if he didn't, you'll have to live with what he did in the graphic EQ section for the bass freq's. Standing Wave Filter picks 3 specific bass frequencies either automatically when you do Auto MCACC or you pick manually and works to reduce nulls or peaks near those selected freq's. that's why its impossible to do it manually without some form of real time analyzer. hopefully, your calibrator used them but if he didn't, if audio sounds good to you know, I wouldn't worry about it.

from your post, its very hard to know exactly what advice to give you so that you can use the tools yet not un-do your calibrator's work. none of us know exactly what he adjustment he used & did not use. you seem like a knowledgeable, nice person who just wants the best audio and looking for advice. I hope what I'm posting now helps you. its unfortunate that forum posts miss a lot of the details and you end up having to guess what the poster did or looking for. it's also unfortunate that you're caught between the things done manually & what the Pioneer would have done automatically.

I think my advice would have been to run full Auto MCACC THEN have the calibrator do measurements with THOSE presets & make his minor adjustments on each freq band. Rather than start from the beginning with a blank preset, he does his measurements, now trying to backtrack and use the other tools. maybe he did use the Auto MCACC presets as his starting point...this is not clear from your posts. if he did, you're in good shape but if he didn't, starting from a blank preset, then whatever changes you make are going to effect his work.

Hope this helps. as enthusiasts, the more experienced we become, we have more desire to see everyone get the most out of his gear. and when it looks like someone may be approaching something in a way that there not going to get optimal results. believe this or not, it's a bit painful when you try to help when you're not sure what they did, possibly could have done better or they've made more work for themselves.

your calibrator may have done a fantastic job, had used the reverb measurements, set up the standing wave filters & phase control delay as part of his calibration...and given you the best sound for your room or he may not have used them at all...we don't know. the end product is how it sounds & that's what's important. so if it sounds great to you, that's the main thing smile.gif

so do the phase control, review the standing wave filters to see if he set them (you'll know because the defaults are 0.0) and review the reverb measurements (but these aren't changeable unless you re-run the Auto EQ)

I'm sorry my reply was blunt, but in the spirit of seeing someone who paid money, now asking for help, and we don't know exactly was done....I hope you understand why I posted the way I did. frustration more than anything that I wasn't sure how to help & do something positive with what you have.

Hi there -ss901-
Resuming our last conversation , the last 2 days that i found some time i did the following!
First i copied the whole set that the calibrator had done to a blank memory (No.3) and i named it sofa.Answering a question you had done me i must say that as for standing waves he had not done anything because it was 0 i mean flat!
Next step i set the mic to Camera tripod at the height of my ear where i seat at the sofa & re-ran an auto Mcaac only symmetry method but keep speaker setting (5.1 ch front Bi-Amp) all Small and xover at 80 hz.
Then i did a fine level adjustment & a fine equalization by copying my calibrators settings in each speaker and each frequency one by one.
Then i ran a reverb meaurement with the eq on.
Then i also ran a simple full band phase control measurement. Here by the way i could not adjust in which preset saves the full band phase control measurements , i think because it applies to all sets. Right?
At the end i compared the preset 3 (sofa) of my calibrators and mine that i had just created.No difference in the ear but in the papers was a difference at the standing waves that was some how changed.
At last the sound is Great , but as i have told you before i want to have the best from my Amp.
Also i forgot to mention you that there is a setting in the amp if my subwoofer conforms to THX Select 2 Plus standard.i set it there at NO because i don;t know about that.My SubWoofer which is that:

http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/support/past-products/silver-rs/rsw-12/#/overview

has these specs:

Monitor Audio RSW 12:

Lower Frequency Limit: 27 Hz (EQ1); 21 Hz (EQ2)
Upper Frequency Limit: 40 - 120 Hz (Variable)
Low Pass Filter Alignment: Active 4th order 24dB / octave (2 stage filter)
Power Handling (RMS): 500 W (RMS)
Amplifier Classification: Class - D Digital Amplifier
Drive Unit Compliment: 1 x 12” C-CAM® Sub-woofer driver featuring triple suspension and 3" long voice coil
Cabinet Design: Sealed cabinet with internal bracing
Product External Dimensions:
(H x W x D)
340 x 340 x 370 mm
13 3/8 x 13 3/8 x 15 5/8 inch

Weight: 25.5 Kg (56 lb)

What do you think?

Thanks for everything & Happy Valentine!!!!!!
post #3550 of 4096
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

I am surprised you weren't able to re-connect the wires and have it work, maybe there was other damage?

It's a very thin, presumably mono, coaxial cable. I tried connecting outer-to-outer and inner-to-inner, but it didn't seem to work. Sadly, it's not as easy as repairing non-coax cable. Anyone have advice on how to do it?
post #3551 of 4096
What am I doing wrong???
every time I run the MCACC on my SC35, I get settings that are FAR FROM optimal. I normally have to do a lot of manual tweaking to get them to a point where I think it's sounding marginally good.

Am I missing something?

I love my amp, and I love my speakers... why can't we all just get along when using auto settings.

My room is asymmetrical, in that one side of the listening area is open(there is no wall) as it leads to another room shaped something like this where my listening are is on the left and designated by the separation line between the brackets - [__I____]

I can not and do not want to change room layout.

Again, this is not focus or resolution or an imaging issue... it's a matter of EQ levels (bass/treble)

the reason this is coming up again after I spent a huge amount of time tweaking my current setup is because I changed speaker placement and I will need to probably run MCACC again.

any help would be appreciated.
post #3552 of 4096
Peeps,

I have a Pioneer SC-1222-K that is amazing. That being said, my L/R are being set to -1db and my center is being set to -2db. Everything sounds great overall but sometimes dialogue is lost in the shuffle.

Should I increase my center or use the dialogue enhancement feature?
post #3553 of 4096
adjust your levels manually to your liking...
post #3554 of 4096
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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

It's a very thin, presumably mono, coaxial cable. I tried connecting outer-to-outer and inner-to-inner, but it didn't seem to work. Sadly, it's not as easy as repairing non-coax cable. Anyone have advice on how to do it?

I have successfully spliced a small gauge wire not too long ago; but it was an antenna wire for my car radio. Can be done but very difficult. I really think considering the application that it would be more advisable to bite the bullet and get a new mic.
post #3555 of 4096
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Originally Posted by bmurray716 View Post

I have successfully spliced a small gauge wire not too long ago; but it was an antenna wire for my car radio. Can be done but very difficult. I really think considering the application that it would be more advisable to bite the bullet and get a new mic.

Luckily, my friend had the exact same mic that he let me use: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1245449/the-official-pioneer-vsx-1020-k-owners-thread/4260#post_22973264
post #3556 of 4096
win!
post #3557 of 4096
Can anyone recommend a good and inexpenisve SPL meter? Or should I use the free one from the App Store, and use my iPhone 4s to do it? Has anyone use the SPL meter apps?
post #3558 of 4096
Does anyone know the 4 ohm specs on the SC-65? All I can find are the 8 ohm specs, but my speakers are less than 8 ohm most of the time.
post #3559 of 4096
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Originally Posted by adrummingdude View Post

Does anyone know the 4 ohm specs on the SC-65? All I can find are the 8 ohm specs, but my speakers are less than 8 ohm most of the time.
Look near the end of the operations manual for the specs. It's probably like my SC-1522:

ftc continuous average: not given for 4ohm
continuous at 1kHz, 1%, 4ohm: 210 W for paired channels or center channel.
post #3560 of 4096
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

Look near the end of the operations manual for the specs. It's probably like my SC-1522:

ftc continuous average: not given for 4ohm
continuous at 1kHz, 1%, 4ohm: 210 W for paired channels or center channel.

So, when all else fails, read the manual? Thanks! smile.gif
post #3561 of 4096

Is there a way I can utilize the iControlAV2012 app through an android phone (samsung galaxy proclaim) or from a laptop or desktop computer?  Seems my ipad grew legs and walked away :(  I would really like to give it a try, sounds like it is very useful and if I like it then I have a good reason to buy an ipad mini (and keep it out of sight....)

post #3562 of 4096
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Originally Posted by Rob_63 View Post

Is there a way I can utilize the iControlAV2012 app through an android phone (samsung galaxy proclaim) or from a laptop or desktop computer?  Seems my ipad grew legs and walked away frown.gif  I would really like to give it a try, sounds like it is very useful and if I like it then I have a good reason to buy an ipad mini (and keep it out of sight....)

iControlAV2012 for iOS works in a iPhone, iPad, iPad Mini or iPod Touch. There is also an Android version. See post #76 in the Official SC-1222K thread for some screenshots and video of the app. You can find the download links for iOS and Android too (any android device). So far there is no app for PC.

Regards.
post #3563 of 4096
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Originally Posted by okibcn View Post


iControlAV2012 for iOS works in a iPhone, iPad, iPad Mini or iPod Touch. There is also an Android version. See post #76 in the Official SC-1222K thread for some screenshots and video of the app. You can find the download links for iOS and Android too (any android device). So far there is no app for PC.

Regards.

 

Thank you very much,  I moved my system to a different room last week and am now running cat 5 from my router to the receiver, after that is complete I will give it a try.   I hope to be able to put a 10/100 8 port workgroup switch in at my entertainment center to feed all network accessable devices, TV, BR, PS3, Wii and of course the AVR.

post #3564 of 4096
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Originally Posted by Rob_63 View Post

Thank you very much,  I moved my system to a different room last week and am now running cat 5 from my router to the receiver, after that is complete I will give it a try.   I hope to be able to put a 10/100 8 port workgroup switch in at my entertainment center to feed all network accessable devices, TV, BR, PS3, Wii and of course the AVR.

Why not go with a gigabit switch? Even if you don't need gigabit they are about the same price.
post #3565 of 4096
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post


Why not go with a gigabit switch? Even if you don't need gigabit they are about the same price.


It was given to me, so I have nothing invested in it.  :)

post #3566 of 4096
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Originally Posted by dborgill View Post

Peeps,

I have a Pioneer SC-1222-K that is amazing. That being said, my L/R are being set to -1db and my center is being set to -2db. Everything sounds great overall but sometimes dialogue is lost in the shuffle.

Should I increase my center or use the dialogue enhancement feature?

Yes. Just bump up your center manually 1 or 2db. I have to do that as well.
post #3567 of 4096
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Originally Posted by blackangst View Post

Yes. Just bump up your center manually 1 or 2db. I have to do that as well.

Yeah, I had to do the same. I increase / decrease until I get the sound I want. I had to do the same with my Onkyo's.
post #3568 of 4096
Does MCACC filter the receiver's LFE output?

I recently read a statement that MCACC does this -- in other words, if the crossover is set to 60Hz, say, that any information above 60Hz in the LFE channel will be filtered out and not sent to the subwoofer.

I've never seen this statement anywhere else, and it makes no sense to me since it would mean that any frequencies above the crossover in the LFE channel would not be reproduced at all, which to me would seem a fatal flaw in a "high fidelity" processor, since frequencies up to 120Hz are relatively common in LFE signals.

Any insights?
post #3569 of 4096
Hmmm... Above the crossover, the signal should be sent to the L/R speakers. Don't know if that is the case; I seem to recall it was discussed in one of the earlier Pio threads, however, maybe the SC-27 thread (that's what I have and I have not stayed with the current threads so much). It's been too long so I do not recall if you can set the sub and LFE filter points independently like on other AVRs. It was probably also discussed here if you care to search; I am lazy and it does not apply to me, sorry.
post #3570 of 4096
Regarding crossover & LFE signal: I had done some tests in the pasts on the SC-07 with a LFE frequency sweep signal (from the Avia DVD if I recall properly) and yes, if you lower the crossover, the LFE frequencies above crossover do get filtered and NOT sent to the mains, just discarded.

Dan.
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