Originally Posted by rdclark
I think it's fair to caution potential buyers that Pioneer receivers are optimal only for setups where all speakers have roughtly the same bass extension and all will work best with a crossover frequency of 80Hz or higher. That this describes a great any packaged HT speaker systems, including some excellent ones, doesn't change the fact that it's also common to sell systems with mains and/or centers that have considerably more bass extension than the surrounds.
It's a shame to hear about somebody buying excellent tower speakers that should be crossed over at 40 or 50 Hz having to use 80 or 100 because they bought small surrounds.
I don't consider this a compromise. I consider this a design limitation. I happen to have a speaker array that is perfect for Pioneer's scheme, so my VSX-1021 remains the bargain it was when I bought it, but it's really IMO something that should be widely known, especally by the people who sell Pioneer AVRs to unsuspecting buyers.
Very interesting point of view. I do agree with much of what you say, and also believe that much of the market is tailored and sold to folks like me who try to accomplish quality 2 channel AND home theater with one setup. Typically, unless you're made of money, this means that you have two big ol' towers up front, smaller, often mountable surrounds, and whichever center channel speaker will both voice well with your mains AND physically fit within your mounting system.
Now here's where it gets tricky. I'm not an audio noob and have spent plenty of time in pro recording studios as a musician, and considerable time in my own semi-pro (about $30k) studio mixing on nearfields.
I honeslly believe MCACC does as much harm as good in my HT room with my speakers. I currently run 2.1 setup consisting of a SC-65 and 2 Bowers & Wilkins 683's getting 200wpc via an Emotiva amp. Oh yeah, and then there's the cheeseball Polk sub which I hope to blow up soon so the wife gets on-board for a new one. MCACC, regardless of the time position and regardless of if I run one or three seating positions absolutely KILLS everything below 100hz while simultaniously boosting everything above 2k until it beams straight at my skull. I for one think the 683's right out of the box are VERY bright and open up top, so to hype them by 6db at 8k is just asking for pain. Graphs of my room confirm what my ears already tell me. It stands at 90hz, which is a problem (although one that doesnt require a machine to try to make me believe 90hz content has never existed), but really, why the excessive boost up top? The speakers are in the middle of the room and pointing right at the mic....it can't hear that? uugh.