Originally Posted by adrummingdude Get your baselines and then tune by ear.
I do agree with this one thing you said
I am saying that for optimum results start the baseline with the mic in an orientation where it neither increases or decreases the level & freq response from all speakers. that way you get a balanced measurement. and that would be held flat so that's its omnidirectional.
then run MCACC and if you'd like, you can tune by ear individual settings & EQ adjustments to taste. but at least your baseline isn't biased forward or backwards
starting with a baseline taken in a less-than-ideal manner seems pretty flawed to me even with a non-precision microphone. it's designed like a hockey puck for a reason.
if you choose to use it in a way that is counter-intuitive to its design, that's your choice but that doesn't mean it's the correct or best way.
let me enlighten you with some facts not personal preferences.
1. Audyssey mics are also designed to be pointed up.
quoting directly from Audyssey's General FAQ on how to do their measurements (Denon, Marantz, NAD, Onkyo use Audyssey):
'-Use only the microphone included with your AVR. If you cannot find it, contact the manufacturer for a replacement.
-Attach your microphone to a tripod.
-Take the measurements at ear height and with the mic facing the ceiling.
-Start the measurements from the primary listening location and spread out from there. Approximate distance from the first measurement position is 2 feet in any direction.
-Focus on the central listening area and avoid extreme positions such as the back wall or too far beyond the left and right speakers."
2. Yamaha's YPAO mics are designed to be pointed up.
directly from the Yamaha manual for their old $4K flagship model, the RX-Z11:
"Place the optimizer microphone at your normal listening position on a flat level surface with the omni-directional microphone heading upward.
3. Onkyo says the same thing for the mic they use (Audyssey) and
from the Onkyo 5010 manual:
"Position the microphone at ear height of a seated listener with the microphone tip pointed directly at the ceiling using a tripod. Do not hold the microphone in your hand during measurements as this will produce inaccurate results."
4. Anthem says the same thing for their ARC mic.
From pg 28 of the Anthem manual for their MRX receivers with their own proprietary room EQ system:
"Microphone positioning:During measurement the microphone must point straight up
."that's 5 out of 5 companies, with different EQ systems, all recommending the same thing.
but what do the engineers at 5 out of 5 companies know?
I guess they're all being "a bit absolute"
This thread is supposed to be about "science", objectively how best to use MCACC for best overall performance not someone's personal audio voodoo.
If you want to do it your way, there's no law against it...the Pioneer police aren't going to knock on your door. but don't pretend it's the best way because it's not.
am I wasting my time in this thread trying to explain things in an objective manner?
seems that way...some of you want to do things against common sense!Edited by ss9001 - 4/4/13 at 11:46am