"OFFICIAL" Pioneer MCACC thread - Page 137

I have the 1222 which has 2 sub outs for the primary zone. It also has another sub out for zone 2. Makes sure you have it in the right one. Lastly while you ate unplugging then usually if you touch the 2 contacts on the rca cable you will hear output from the sub. If this works than that should eliminate the cable and sub as the problem.

Ace, I would just double check one thing, which have caught many of us (including myself at least once), is that you are connected to the proper subwoofer OUT channel. On the SC series, it was easy to connect to the subwoofer IN of the multi-channel input instead of the subwoofer out. On images of the 1522, it looks like it's more difficult to make that kind of mistake, but I would double-check anyway (are you connected in subwoofer out #1 or #2?)

When it detected the sub this morning, did you hear sounds coming from the sub, and now you don't hear them anymore?

Dan.

Edit: scoobdude beat me to it...

I have quadruple checked to make sure I am in subwoofer out 1, and not in the zone 2 out. I actually don't recall hearing any sounds coming from the sub when I ran it this morning. But when it ran through the first "round", all five speakers including the sub were labeled YES. Every time since they are all labeled yes and the sub NO.

I have to ask this, are any of your speakers set to Small? or are all of them set as Large?

They are all set to small. Another thing I just noticed, when I go into Channel Level, there is no sound coming from the sub.

I'm looking an avr which is good for home theater. Not in music. IS MACCC BETTER THAN AUDYSSEY? Any advantages and disadvantages? Thanks.

I know I'm an idiot with this stuff, but I'm not really following what you are trying to tell me about testing the sub with the RCA's. I have a Y connector going into my RCA in's on the sub. So you're saying to take out the RCA on the receiver sub out and just tap it on one of the RCA connections on the Y connector?

I'm really trying to discover some ways to test the sub/cable without using the receiver so I can tell 100% if the receiver or sub is the problem. I know the sub and sub cable worked perfectly fine until trying to use it with this new 1522, but I don't make a 2 hour drive to return this receiver if I don't have to.

Wait when you say you have a y connector is that to get stereo input on the sub? Does your sub have a LFE input? If so the LFE is what you should be using.

For the cable if the sub is on and you touch you finger on the Rca cable pin and should at the same time this will get a hum from the sub usually.

If you still have issues would you mind posting the ports and cables that you have the sub system running through?

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I wonder if it is an intermittent RCA cable problem? The phase or polarity should not keep the sub from being detected. Using a Y connector on the sub end will send a little stronger signal to the sub and is worth a try. I don't use the standby feature and have to worry about a sub waking up. If all else fells, do a system reset. If that fells it is either the sub, cable or avr.

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a strong possibility. there then not there then there again. shorting out somewhere.

Ace2377, you could try a cable tester like this

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Pyle-8-Plug-Pro-Audio-Cable-Tester-PCT10/203346747#.UZn_UUpYRw0

or just place receiver real close the sub and connect it with one of those cheesy 6' RCA cables they used to supply with all gear, rerun mcacc just to see if replacing cable works. beats a 2 hr drive & buying xx ft of subwoofer cable.

it's also possible the jack on the receiver is marginal but trying another cable should eliminate that possibility. and try both Sub jacks, 1 & 2, without the Y connector so that you can properly troubleshoot & eliminate possibilities. in fact, if you are using the Y adapter on the receiver end to input 2 signals, you don't need it - Sub 1 & Sub 2 are internally wired together inside the receiver; they are not true separate inputs. Pioneer has only had 1 receiver with 2 independent sub outputs, the former $7K SC-09TX flagship. all receivers before & after have had Y-d together sub jacks so that the receiver reads 2 subs as 1 combined output.

I didn't read closely enough to know why you're using the Y-adapter, but if you don't need it, removing it eliminates 1 failure point

my own personal experience with cables has been excellent but things happen. I damaged a hi quality HDMI cable while doing extensive changes to my gear last yr. a perfectly good hi quality cable one minute & junk the next. I've also had to re-solder the center wire to the connector on 1 end on a sub cable twice! things happen to cables you could easily have an developed an intermittent short or faulty connector on a cable from being angled down in a tight corner, etc.
Edited by ss9001 - 5/20/13 at 4:07am

Thank you for all the continued input. Here is how I have it hooked up regarding the Y connector I mentioned. I do not know the exact reasoning for it, but the sub manufacturer suggested it would be best. Here are some pics of the amp plate showing where I have the RCA in's going into the sub with the Y connector I mentioned. I also tried to include a pic of the sub out on the receiver I am using. It's right there in the middle, below and to the right of the flash surrounded by the white border. It has sub out 1 and 2.

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Hi ace,

I hate to stir the pot on the issue too much, but since you have a Elemental designs sub. I believe they went out of business do to amp failures.

Hi Todd,

Yes, I am aware of that, unfortunately. Not solely due to to amp failures, but they are out of business nonetheless. However, I did have Daveds50 from here on the forums rebuild my amp on the sub not too long ago. I thought I was having an issue with the amp when it was hooked up to my Onkyo. Turns out it was the driver, which I have replaced. So I'm thinking the amp should be good for quite some time after his rebuild.

Hey Ace, I saw a post in the 1222 thread that said subs not being recognized is a reported issue. You could set the front speakers to large and play a bass heavy music track with the subs rca cable to the left or right pre out on the AVR to test the sub and cables.

i believe teh subs not being recognized is confusion on the sub output. Sub out 1 and 2 are for the main zone and then there is a singular sub output for zone 2.

Had no clue they shut down.

Have a few questions.

1. What's the difference between the "channel level" adjustment and the "trim" adjustment that's done in the EQ. They both refer to dB, but I have different numbers for each.

2. What exactly is the reverb measurement doing? Is this the same as standing wave?

When I look at the data on my pc I see the following listed as standing wave:

* Standing Wave Control

[M1]
Main Center Sub Woofer Trim +1.5dB
No. Filter 1 Filter 2 Filter 3 No. Filter 1 Filter 2 Filter 3 No. Filter 1 Filter 2 Filter 3
Freq 74Hz 239Hz 101Hz Freq 74Hz 239Hz 101Hz Freq 74Hz 239Hz 101Hz
Q 2.6 9.8 9.8 Q 2.6 9.8 9.8 Q 2.6 9.8 9.8
ATT 3.5dB 1.0dB 3.5dB ATT 3.5dB 1.0dB 3.5dB ATT 3.5dB 1.0dB 3.5dB

Can someone explain what this means and what it is doing? I thought standing waves were more of a subwoofer thing, but the listed frequencies and the speakers it's looking at appear that maybe it's something completely different.

Is it possible to delete this control? I see you can set the EQ values to zero, but I'm not sure about standing wave control. Ie., can I just have receiver handle the crossover, speaker distances and individual volume levels and leave the rest "flat/zero"? From what I've read it would be the equivalent of "direct mode", but I'd still want to be able to enable the surround processing (DD, DTS, Prologic movie and music modes)

Still going through this stuff so any help would be great.