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post #4471 of 5345
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Originally Posted by MCF34 View Post

Ok.. I have a SC-63. Did full MCACC. It set front L and R to Large. I switched them to small so all speakers are Small and crossover is 80Hz. Re-ran MCACC and kept SP settings. I have a typical 5.1 setup. The following are my plots. You guys see anything completely out of whack? Any need to adjust the time reading or re-run with other adjustments?

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Anyone???
post #4472 of 5345
I think the most important thing here woud be: Does it sound good to you? If it does then don't worry about what the graphs look it. If do you care about what the graphs look like then get a microphone and calibrating software such as REW on work with that.
post #4473 of 5345
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Originally Posted by gcannon0317 View Post

I just got a SC-63 from Best Buy open box for $550. I am missing the AMP7010 microphone but I have a APM7008 microphone from a 2 y/o vsx-1021. Are there any critical differences between to the 2 mics?

The specific frequency response and directional characteristics of these microphones are compensated for during MCACC calibration. (They don't have to be good microhones; they just have to be predictable by the software.)

If the two mics have different model numbers, I would presume them to be different from one another until proven otherwise. And thus, the results from using the wrong mic would be incorrect. But I have no documentation or empirical data to support this opinion.

It would be an interesting exercise for someone with access to two different model Pioneer calibration mics to run MCACC with each and see if the results differ. Sorry, I'm not that person.
Edited by rdclark - 10/3/13 at 12:15pm
post #4474 of 5345
I went back to BB to see if they could find the right mic for MCACC setup and it turns out they have many different mics. BB gave me 2 others that are for Pioneer models, but without part nubmers it's impossible to tell which is which. I will try the 3 different mics to see if/how much the differences are.
post #4475 of 5345
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Originally Posted by gcannon0317 View Post

I went back to BB to see if they could find the right mic for MCACC setup and it turns out they have many different mics. BB gave me 2 others that are for Pioneer models, but without part nubmers it's impossible to tell which is which. I will try the 3 different mics to see if/how much the differences are.

Well, that same microphone will work with a lot of different AVR's. So, I am pretty sure the mics that you've got now will work just fine. However, if you want to have the correct one here it is from Pioneer $27.50 plus whatever shipping charges.

http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/part.asp?productNum=APM7010
post #4476 of 5345
Got my VSX-1123 this week and got around to running the MCACC last night. The 3db bump for the sub worked wonders, but now I'm trying to sort out the center channel level. It's a little low for my taste and I have raised it up 3db from the channel level button it helped a little, but dialog is still a little weak. Any suggestions as to what else I could do?
post #4477 of 5345
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Originally Posted by MCF34 View Post

Ok.. I have a SC-63. Did full MCACC. It set front L and R to Large. I switched them to small so all speakers are Small and crossover is 80Hz. Re-ran MCACC and kept SP settings. I have a typical 5.1 setup. The following are my plots. You guys see anything completely out of whack? Any need to adjust the time reading or re-run with other adjustments?

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Is that a new version of the MCACC software?

Your graphs looks fine. Much better than mines. My reverb is never that flat. The left channel especially. All the rest are closer together but above 58db. I only have an area rug in my room with the walls bare so i'm sure that's the reason.

What about the acoustics calibration EQ?
post #4478 of 5345
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Originally Posted by johnnyknoxsvill View Post

Got my VSX-1123 this week and got around to running the MCACC last night. The 3db bump for the sub worked wonders, but now I'm trying to sort out the center channel level. It's a little low for my taste and I have raised it up 3db from the channel level button it helped a little, but dialog is still a little weak. Any suggestions as to what else I could do?

The standing wave 3db bump does work wonders.

What is the center channel level? If you still find it low there's nothing wrong with adjusting it till you find it acceptable. Check the left and right channels also. Maby they're too high?
post #4479 of 5345
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Well, that same microphone will work with a lot of different AVR's. So, I am pretty sure the mics that you've got now will work just fine. However, if you want to have the correct one here it is from Pioneer $27.50 plus whatever shipping charges.

http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/part.asp?productNum=APM7010

That's the last resort. Hopefully these mics will work. The great news is that it already sounds awesome before running MCACC!
post #4480 of 5345
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Well, that same microphone will work with a lot of different AVR's. So, I am pretty sure the mics that you've got now will work just fine. However, if you want to have the correct one here it is from Pioneer $27.50 plus whatever shipping charges.

On what logic or evidence do you base your assumption?
post #4481 of 5345
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

On what logic or evidence do you base your assumption?

Click on the link I provided on the bottom right section will be a window with numerous different models, and. If you click On any of them it comes back to the same microphone.
post #4482 of 5345
I did all the 'advanced' stuff this weekend with reverb and it never sounded as good as Auto with just keeping SP settings. Messing with the reverb made the center channel too soft for my tastes. I have my first run after keeping SP settings as setting 1 and the advanced reverb run as setting 2. I am happing with the full auto run keeping SP settings at small and 80hz crossover.
post #4483 of 5345
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Click on the link I provided on the bottom right section will be a window with numerous different models, and. If you click On any of them it comes back to the same microphone.

Those are the models that mic works with. Many models are not on that list because they require different mics. The VSX-1021K, for example uses the APM7008 microphone. It is not safe to assume that any Pioneer mic will work with any Pioneer AVR, as you seem to be suggesting.
post #4484 of 5345
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

The standing wave 3db bump does work wonders.

I can't remember what this step is supposed to accomplish without reading in reverse through this Thread. Why would someone want to mess with the Standing Wave setting after running MCACC?
post #4485 of 5345
I think that is actually about bumping the trim setting by 3 dB...
post #4486 of 5345
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

I think that is actually about bumping the trim setting by 3 dB...

Okay, but why?
post #4487 of 5345
It's to increase the output of the sub after an MCACC calibration which some/many people find may leave the bass somewhat lacking.
post #4488 of 5345
Why not just bump gain to sub by a couple dB to their liking? That's what I did.
post #4489 of 5345
No reason to rehash the bass debate. Most people have not heard flat, deep bass with low distortion and when they get such a system bass sounds lacking. There are also loudness curves and such that lead us to bump the bass level up a bit. It's a preference, no worries about that as long as it sounds good to the listener. I only squirm when they say it sounds more "real", no easy way to prove or disprove that.

A number of folk bump the center trim level up, and/or tweak the EQ, so they can hear dialogue better. Again, nothing wrong with that, and at least MCACC provides a good starting point for comparison.
post #4490 of 5345
A very new user here. I have Pioneer VSX-1027-K, and a Polk subwoofer. I just set it up and am running the MCACC. It is not recognizing the sub, no matter what I play around with in settings.

After some online research, I've:

- set all speakers to small
- set the sub at x over 80
- ran the mcacc selecting "leave manual settings" (or something to that effect)
- made sure the connection in the sub and the receiver is correct

I'm at a loss. Any suggestions are welcomed, and thank you in advance! Hope you can bear with me. I've searched these forums and came across people with similar issues, and tried everything i've read.
post #4491 of 5345
Are you sure u have the sub plugged into the correct connection on the receiver? I accidentally had my plugged into a separate zone sub connection and took me a couple hours to figure what was wrong. Sometimes it's the simplest thing. Start confirming your connection.
post #4492 of 5345
What EQ adjustment(a) would improve dialogue? Dialogue can cover a pretty wide
Range of frequencies from a squeaky teenage girl to a deep throated old man! Just curious!!
post #4493 of 5345
Hi MCF. I have it plugged into "PRE OUT Sub Woofer 1". I've also tried Sub Woofer 2 for the heck of it, but to no avail. Thanks for the tip though, definitely something i can see myself doing.

After doing some more research, I went into speaker settings and changed the setting for the Sub to "plus".

The test then gave me a message saying the sub volume was too low. I played around with the volume, but still getting the same issue. I just hear a very, very low sound when it's testing, not enough for it to be recognized.

I tested the connection, and i hear a faint buzz when i unplug the end that is in the receiver and touch it against my finger, so that seems normal.
post #4494 of 5345
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Originally Posted by MCF34 View Post

Why not just bump gain to sub by a couple dB to their liking? That's what I did.

2 completely different volume adjustments. The standing wave trim is more of a frequency volume change. That's why it sounds more fuller than if you just changed the trim level for the overall volume. Or the volume on your sub.

Somebody please correct me if i have this wrong.

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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

I think that is actually about bumping the trim setting by 3 dB...

No. It's for the level in the standing wave menu.
Edited by saprano - 10/9/13 at 1:25pm
post #4495 of 5345
You should not have sub plugged into any pre-out connections. If the receiver is a X.1 receiver, you will have a single stand along connection called 'Sub'. If you have a X.2 receiver you will have two connections for sub. 'Sub1' and Sub2'. It sounds like you are still connecting to a second zone sub connection.
post #4496 of 5345
Ok, so I just got into the stading wave menu. I didn't even know you could make adjustments. Can someone give an abbreviated explanation as to what adjusting the standing wave does and how to know if any adjustments are necessary? Also, should you adjust any of the individual frequencies or just the gain on the far right for each channel? Am I correct in assuming if you want center channel or sub boosted a little it is better to set all channels equally using the SPL meter and THEN adjust the gain in the standing wave menu? This intrigues me....thanks!
post #4497 of 5345
MCF 34 if the sub volume is not high enough you may be having cancellation issues or sitting in a big null. I had a similar problem with two 18 in subs this past week. After trial and error, the subs were co-located and placed into a different location in the room. Now there is thunder that would make Posideon shake.
post #4498 of 5345
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Originally Posted by MCF34 View Post

You should not have sub plugged into any pre-out connections. If the receiver is a X.1 receiver, you will have a single stand along connection called 'Sub'. If you have a X.2 receiver you will have two connections for sub. 'Sub1' and Sub2'. It sounds like you are still connecting to a second zone sub connection.

On the SC-68 the only subwoofer outputs are the pre-out connections. I suspect it is the same on any receiver with pre-outs as the subwoofer outputs should be at pre-amplified level.
post #4499 of 5345
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post


Thanks!


I just hope this sequence applies to my (older) vsx-59txi)?


thx


bob

Also does this apply to the SC-67?
post #4500 of 5345
Everything I read on here keeps saying to set the speakers to small. Well what if you have 2 tower speakers (KEF Q900) and a pioneer 85W sub hooked up with them? Would it still be beneficial to set them to small or should I keep them on large? When I add more channels in the future they will be set to small. Any advise would be great. Running a SC-67 with them.
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