Originally Posted by jer181
Thanks again, I am sure these speakers are great and something is wrong. I can't give up on this.
Originally Posted by jer181
The installer that came to look at my problem last night said he stopped in at a store and did a demo of the same speakers. He said mine sound the exact same as theirs... and he was listening to a 2 channel amp. If that is true what he heard from what I heard are 2 different things. These speakers blow if that is the case!! Might as well send them back because they are not worth the money, I wouldn't even spend $300 per speaker on this sound. Flat, and no life. What a waste of money!
jer - in the Pioneer thread you stated you turned the bi-amp knob to where the yellow was showing and you have passive bi-amped. you know, some of us keep saying "don't bother" with bi-amping but did you even try to use it normally?
are you even sure you selected the correct speaker mode in the Pioneer to even run them bi-amped? because if you left it at the default setting of 9.1 Normal, you wouldn't get bi-amped use of the amps. and if you did select one of the Speaker Bi-amp modes, are you sure you connected to the correct receiver terminals as shown in the manual?
my advice before you go down more rabbit holes - start with the basic normal 1 amp per speaker setup!
and evaluate. this saga has been going on and on in multiple threads and you seem no closer to the truth and a whole lot of non-relevant side tangents - amps, which amps, positioning. and NO external amp is going to make the speakers sound better in the bass. especially if you have a screwed up setup
you keep wanting to look to go the most convoluted route when you should be looking at the simplest things first.
1. Connect the speakers with ONE cable to the correct speaker terminals for single wire use.
2. Turn that damn bi-wire/bi-amp knob to where it's in single wire mode (yellow not
3. Set the receiver to NORMAL 9.1 Speaker mode in Speaker Setup menu. Forget that you only have 2 speakers now. At least start with something that's the most straightforward setup.
4. For now, do not connect the sub
5. Change the front speakers to Large, if they are not already set that way.
6. Change surround mode to PURE DIRECT only for now.
7. Play 2 ch source with some bass.
8. Evaluate the fronts by themselves, move them another ft or so away from wall if you'd like. Compare.
If you get bass now, then the whole problem was in your setup, either wrong receiver speaker setup not being in a Bi-Amp mode, connected to wrong terminals for bi-amp. By going back to a normal use, you can eliminate setup mistakes from the equation. If you haven't done these things yet, then you are not in the position of faulting the speakers. No matter what your supposed "professional installer"
If you finally get better bass from a simple setup, then you can add a good sub, look at bi-amp option, set the speakers to Small and use bass mgmt with a good sub to improve on what you have, etc.
If you have and still have lousy bass from a simple one amp setup, then the speakers may not be the best for what you want to hear.
I don't know what more to say. Many here have tried to offer damn good suggestions and guess at all the possibilities. But if you are hellbent on trying passive bi-amping, no matter advice we give and have managed to do the setup incorrectly, then you are not optimizing all our time
. If you did try a simple normal amp setup and no happy, that's a different story.
But I have lost track of what you have done & not done, since there are many posts in several threads. And you have gotten so many opinions, from trying different amps to room acoustics...when how you did the receiver & speaker setup to begin with may be the main problem.
To me, that knob is a stupid idea, because it tempts people to try things and get themselves into trouble or accidentally set the knob in the wrong direction since so many don't bother to read manuals nowadays. so they accidentally disable the woofers! and then have pissed off owners
IMHO, removing a jumper = a deliberate act to do something not the norm, and no chance of making a mistake, and newbies will be less likely to remove jumpers until they know what they are doing.
If you tried the above 1 amp setup with Pioneer set to Normal Speaker setup already, let us know.Edited by ss9001 - 11/7/13 at 6:49am