Originally Posted by DonH50
@pdxrealtor: I suspect not all that many of us have played deeply with that, and in my case my older model does not have such extensive displays. It is also somewhat a personal decision depending on how you like the reverberant field in your room. If you hear no significant difference, I would suggest picking one and leaving it for a while. In a week or three, after you are used to it, switch to another and see if you notice a difference. If not, no worries, there are better things to do in life than piddle with MCACC endlessly! Ignore the temptation.
Well for me this is the tail end of an ~7 month dedicated room build so I feel I at least owe it to myself and the dollars spent to dial in the mains/surrounds as optimally as possible. Hope you can appreciate that.
I have always done the reverb EQ Pro automatically and see no reason to do differently even with dipolar planar speakers. the time slot it uses seems to match what the curves are suggesting is appropriate...the point where the level starts leveling off and not continuing to rise.
Can you tell me where you go to have the EQ pro automatically select the capture time? I know in auto, or is it full auto, that it will choose the best time between 80-160, but I wasn't aware you could do an auto cal and have the EQ select an optimal capture time in the 0-80 ms range.
just looking at the graphs, seems like 0-20 or 20-40 both look acceptable, probably I'd go with 20-40 but it'd be interesting to see what auto would do and I'd bet it uses either one of those 2.
Apologies- those are the after graphs using the EQ of the 30-50 ms measure. I've added the before graphs to my post (measured with no EQ as instructed), but my same questions apply to that graph as they don't seem to represent any of the example graphs in the MCACC manual. A couple
almost replicated the graph that suggests the 60-80 ms capture time
IM own Exp, where manual tweaking pays dividends is sub-bass EQ, either with a parametric EQ'r like the Velodyne SMS-1 (or one of their DD subs), or spending the time to properly use a DSP solution, like the Antimode, discontinued SVS/Audyssey units or something like a MiniDSP, Behringer Feedback Destroyer & REW software. You can literally spend hours but get real improvements.
Ask me where 3 of the 7 months it's taken me to get to this point have gone. I will answer : dialing in subs and sub EQ. I've tried the mini-dsp, RANE PE 17, and Audyssey SVS EQ-1. Had no choice but to settle for the mini-dsp, which has actually despite its input limitations done a fine job of EQing my six 18" subs. Though a lot can be contributed to placement.
and even though current MCACC doesn't EQ subs, we do have its Standing Wave Filter, which does 3 notches in Auto or one can spend hrs with measurements and manual adjusting it and spending hrs rears its ugly head again
it can be fun - to a point - but definitely educational & informative. but there is a point of diminishing returns; I know I reached that point several yrs ago so now I just enjoy it
Yes... again.... once I get this dialed in I too will just enjoy it and try to help others with what I've learned. After I get this ms capture choice selection down to where I can clear a couple memory spots I will finish things off with an auto three point standing wave and EQ cal. If I'm not happy I'll go manual mode.
Originally Posted by DonH50
I spent many hours over many days with thousands of dollars worth of gear to manually tweak MCACC when I first got my SC-27. I have changed things and had to re-run MCACC several times since and have somehow lost the urge to tweak, still sounds OK to me.
I get it. I honestly can't wait to be done with this last part of the room setup. What is the +/- one should expect to accomplish out the front mains using MCACC? I'm +/- 10 db in the lower frequencies and that just seems high to me.If you wouldn't mind take a look at the before graphs I updated in my post above and let me know what you think.
Why Pioneer has to make this so involved is frustrating in one hand, and complete bliss in the other.
I would hate to be stuck with an Audyssey system that did not give desired results.Edited by pdxrealtor - 12/19/13 at 1:08pm