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The Majestic Home Theater Build

post #1 of 310
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Every one who is crazy enough to build a home theater has a story. This is mine.

I started reading these threads and dreaming during the Summer of 2007. In 2008, I began my research and soon after became hooked once I saw home theaters the likes of: Sandman, Ronnie Jackson, ebr, mbgonzomd, BIGmouthinDC, BritInVA, dc_pilgrim, CJ's build, Chinadog, and MN_Hokie among many others. I have been working on this thing ever since.

My HT will be part of a 1000 square feet basement finishing endeavor. I live in a Twin Cities (MN) suburb.

The inspiration for this theater is the wonderful movie, "The Majestic" directed by Frank Darabont and starring Jim Carrey (okay really starring Martin Landau, James Whitmore, and Hal Holbrook). It reminds me of what I like about the movies. You leave one place, you go to another, then you come back.

I am an odd combination of lazy and obsessive compulsive, so when you look at my progress, keep that in mind. That being said, I love "the movies" and I am going to make this a labor of love.

Update January 2011: Added equipment list

From this:



To this:






In just under three years...

EQUIPMENT LIST

Panasonic LCD Projector - PT-AE4000U

Pioneer Blu-ray Player - BDP-23FD
Pioneer A/V Receiver - VSX-21TXH

Ascend Acoustics Speakers, L and R - CBM-170SE
Ascend Acoustics Speakers, Center - CMT-340SE

HSU Research Powered Sub-woofer - STF-2

Boston Acoustic Surrounds, L and R - VRS Micros
Boston Acoustic Rears, L and R - CS23

XBOX 360 - 4GB Model

Monster Power - HDP-2500

Blue Jean Cables - 35' HDMI Series 1
Blue Jean Cables - 20' Subwoofer

Belden Speaker Wire
Belden Component Video

LEGACY EQUIPMENT

Sony Video Cassette Recorder - SLV-662HF
Sony Stereo Cassette Deck - TC-WE435
Sony Compact Disc Player - CX-335
post #2 of 310
Looking forward to this thread. Maybe because I grew up in Minneapolis and the burbs.
post #3 of 310
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Sep 2009 Update: This is the first picture I posted. This area was going to be the HT but BIGmouthinDC helped me find a better location.

post #4 of 310
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Sep 2009 Update: This view is from the mechanical / storage room. I have built a wall about where the DVD shelf is.

post #5 of 310
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Sep 2009 Update: Another picture from the basement that actually no longer figures into the HT build.

post #6 of 310
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Great. Appreciate that, BIGmouthinDC.

Sep 2009 Update: Removed equipment list / wish list because it has changed with research and time.

Screen: I plan on doing a perf screen of some kind. Most likely a Ronnie / Gonzo frame and false wall. I got worried when I read about Sandman redoing his, not once but twice. I don't have that kind of strength.
post #7 of 310
Here is a link you may want to save. The original SMX fabric until he had a special weave created. Think of it as the "poor man's" smx.

http://www.interiormall.com/cat/nsam...=113044&t=2182
post #8 of 310
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Big,

Thanks for the link. I have bookmarked it for later use. Your help is appreciated. I am uploading a sketch of my layout soon.

Regards,
SDean
post #9 of 310
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Here is the floorplan. As you can see, the HT takes up the left portion of the main area. Still working on the right half. I am thinking concession stand, fireplace, etc.



November 2009 Update: this is not the current layout at all, but I leave it in to remind me of how far the design has come.
post #10 of 310
I'm sure you considered it but I gotta ask, did you think about using the storage room and a little of the big room for your theater? I just see a stud wall under a big beam and some duct work, nothing that can't be worked around.
It looks to be a 1/2 ft or so wider than the spot you picked, it's far from the window, and you avoid plopping a riser in front of the sliders.

I would do this design:
post #11 of 310
Another Minnesota build looking forward to watching your progress. I know that there has been talks of a local theater tour, let me know if you have interest and we'll start an unofficial list.
post #12 of 310
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I knew I came to the right place.

BIG, help me think through this. Look back at the picture of the view from the mechanical / equipment room. That wall on the left is the storage room wall. I would have to demo it in order to use the storage room. Which, I am willing to do if I can get a couple of other problems figured out.

Here is the one I struggle with. On that same wall, there is a column supporting the engineered support beam. It makes the room skinny at that point, 9 feet or so. What are your thoughts on working around that? And which wall should be the screen wall?

Thanks very much,
SDean
post #13 of 310
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Tom, yes I am interested. Please put me on the list. Thanks.

SDean
post #14 of 310
I'm talking about the room at the bottom of the stairs. screen goes on the wall to left of the door. Open up the back of the room with a pass through to the big room.

Just need to check projector locations and throw requirements for that space.

your sit at bar is to the left of the sheet covered pile



The following pic may help you visualize how to do it. here is the build thread for more details:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1022589

post #15 of 310
Some more details of my idea, You would need to conserve length of the space so your screen needs to hug the wall. You could do a front end more like BritinVA with all speakers hidden, just not behind the screen.

post #16 of 310
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BIG,

I have been talking the wife off the ledge, regarding the design change. She was close to demanding I turn the basement into a "rollerblading, nerf gun fight, cat playground". But, when I explained the design you pointed out, she regained her normal color.

All kidding aside, I am going to take some measures tonight, check projector throws, etc. I see what you mean by the screen needing to hug the wall. I will also re-draft the layout and get it posted.

Back to the drawing board.

Thanks,
SDean
post #17 of 310
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Here is my interpretation of what you were saying, BIG. What do you think?



The beam is 7' 2" from the ground. The column is about 9' 4'' to the side wall. Thanks for your great suggestion.

Also, I work with a laptop all day and could whip this up in Visio, but what is the fun in that?
post #18 of 310
Some thoughts.

You made the space even bigger than I was thinking and put in room for what looks like two rows of seating plus the pass through sit at bar for a total of three rows.

I was thinking one row of seating and to put the pass through under the beam. But your idea works well and creates that av equipment niche.

It might be useful for you to sketch in some seating and riser location. (use a xerox of your plan) I have a gut feeling it will work better to move the door back closer to where you had it so you enter in front of a riser that goes wall to wall in the back in front of the pass through. What type of seating were you planning? You/we should do some size checking to see what fits.

One idea about your plan is to hide that support pipe in a decorative column and to put a similar one on the other side and leave the room as wide as possible.

Another thought. If you want to take that big of a bite of the big room for the theater you could just skip the pass through and put a wall there and totally close in the theater.
post #19 of 310
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If I leave the walls as built, the interior dimensions are approximately 11' (screen wall to beam) by 10' 4" (side wall to door wall). I love your idea. It helps tremendously with my wife and I can reuse what I have. Is that big enough of a space?

Can't thank you enough.

Also, I like the bigger version because of the AV Cab niche; I suppose that could be worked around.

In the meantime, I am re-sketching per your suggestions to show riser and seating.
post #20 of 310
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Okay, BIG.

I have put in seating and the riser. Moved the door back in. Kept the open doorway at the back. I still like the pass-through idea. Added a column to match the other one under the beam.

Seating will be something less than Berklines but in that size range for the chairs up front. The couch is an generic 8' footer that I will cover to match. The bar stools will be very similar to yours.



Am I making progress?
post #21 of 310
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Originally Posted by SDean View Post

Okay, BIG.
Am I making progress?


Yes,

Have you done some calculations of projector locations and potential screen sizes? You can use the on-line interactive calculators to get throw and size info at ProjectorPeople. Once that is done you need to check the riser height requirements for the size of screen you are planning to make sure it isn't too tall to make the pass through work and also that you might run out of head room under the beam or ducts.

You might want to post some close up shots of the ceiling area on both sides of the beam so that we can see what obstacles you are dealing with and to think how you will open up the ceiling with minimal loss of headroom.

What is more important is for you and the misses to visualize how you would use this space and does it match the vision you had in mind when you decided to go down the path of having a Home Theater.

It's your space and you need to feel comfortable, don't worry about pleasing the BigMouth.
post #22 of 310
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Yep, I get it. Here is the deal, the wife wanted the HT in the storage room to begin with, but I couldn't get it to work. When you came up with the pass-through example, it just clicked.

I'll get some shots up soon. Thanks.
post #23 of 310
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Here are a couple of beam wall shots:





Again, it is 7' 2" from floor to bottom of beam.
post #24 of 310
It would help if you could take a picture of the duct work in the vicinity of the middle of the pass through wall. I think I know what it looks like but I just want to verify.

Do you have any preliminary thoughts on a projector? or a budget? Keep in mind that conventional wisdom is that you shouldn't actually buy your projector until you are "almost" done with the theater because the features and value per dollar has historically been increasing over the past few years and if you buy a projector 6 months before you can actually use it, you may miss out on a great deal or newer model with better picture and feature set.
post #25 of 310
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Here are pics on the outside of the beam wall; a "context shot" then underneath:









As far as a projector, I am presently clueless. For some reason I locked on to a Sanyo PLV Z700. Something in that price range. I agree that waiting seems to be a prudent path.
post #26 of 310
Some thoughts for this build. You need to learn the technique for building soffits and pipe surround columns that minimizes lost space. The resulting structures only extend 1/2 inch plus the thickness of the drywall past the obstruction. You do not want to add the thickness of the framing which is a common mistake. If you don't know it I can sketch something to explain.

That bump out you built looks like it could be tucked much closer to the wall.



I also wonder if you could bang that metal support pole 6-9 inches to the left without any consequences. If it was my house I would attempt it. I don't think moving it that short distance will move it off the extra thick foundation pad that should be poured under the base (usually 2'x2')nor violate the load calculation for the beam.
post #27 of 310
What does that red tag say on that small copper looking pipe? And where does it go??? Ice-maker in the kitchen maybe but there are two??
post #28 of 310
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Hey BIG,

I do not know the soffit technique that you mentioned. I have a book and was going to do some experimenting from that. I know the example there is not a spacesaver, so any advice on that would be appreciated.

That support post has a footing that extends well below surface. One builder said I'd be nuts to move it, but then again, he never saw my crazy first design. I am going to get a second opinion from another local guy familiar with code here etc.

The red tag says "caution 2 lb gas system". The copper pipe is gas. It goes to the fireplace upstairs. The other is the supply line for gas coming into the house.

Thoughts on projector placement / soffit design?
post #29 of 310
Probably the best way to learn about minimizing the loss of head room with the wrong framing technique is to see a real project and changes to the soffit frame.

Here is a thread worth reading.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=992661

Here is the before shot showing a soffit built to hide a beam notice the framing that crosses under the beam



Here is the after shot after he re-thought his whole soffit design to hide the same beam



Bottom line is to span the bottom of beams and ducts with just the drywall not a frame member and then the drywall. Build a wall ladder on both sides and add the drywall. Same principle applies to columns. If it is just too wide span the gap with a layer of 3/4 plywood. It will still save 3/4 of an inch.
post #30 of 310
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Originally Posted by SDean View Post

Thoughts on projector placement / soffit design?

I will noodle on it. Your projector is probably going to go just ahead of the pass through and will probably back up to mini wall at the ceiling that will be part of the bar design. It will have to shoot under that beam. I don't think there is enough throw length for a decent size image in front of the beam
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