Why don't people know what they are looking for when they compare LCD and Plasma.

Well its what makes the world go round. My first HDTV was a rear projection and I didn't like it so I returned it for a plasma. Theres many issues why I didn't like my plasma and then I bought two LCD's. They worked better for me.

My latest TV is the Samsung 52a550 and I agree with your customer. It has a semi-glossy screen which works well even when southern exposure sunlight is at its peak during daylight hours. Its versatility can't be beat and its best attribute is during dark movies you can see great detail where other technologies you can't.

It's pretty simple, really: The strengths of LCD are immediately obvious, the strengths of plasma aren't.

LCD is like the hot high school cheerleader, plasma is like the awesome/smart/funny/cute girl-next-door but you don't know it 'cuz she's wearing glasses and frumpy clothes. 'til the last reel of the movie, that is.

Life's not fair, oh well.

Oh, and I really like the color accuracy on Samsung LCDs, actually. On Series 6 and up, anyway.

I like Pioneer too. I hope they survive.

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If you read in the LCD forum Samsung has different panels, Like an "S" "A" "C" panels. If on the side of the TV theres a version SQ01 its a Samsung panel. Thers also could be chi mei and AUO panels.

I'd buy the 630 if its today with a "S" panel. IMO 120hz isn't worth it other then having 5:5 pull down. So an a550 is a nice TV also.

The glossy 650 is just a little better because the glossy is what gives it the wow factor. But then the glare reflections come into play.

Very good point.


LCD is like a Blonde cheerleader thats all flashy and eye catching at first. She makes a bunch of promises and teases you but you get her home and she is annoying, has a prostetic leg, a glass eye, bad breath, and will not go away.


Plasma is like the Interesting Smart girl that wears glasses and does not stand out in a crowd at first. But you get her home and she cooks you a great meal, is a brilliant conversationalist, then she takes off her glasses and lets down her hair and she is the most beautiful and interesting thing you have ever seen!! And she is also alot of fun and really Delivers!!

Except that I'm marrying the cheerleader, 'cuz she'll do things the nice girl won't.

Hence, the word "Delivers" in my earlier post.

Come on man, you know its the shy quite and intellectual types that are the wild ones!! lol.

Soooooo true!

Oh, sorry. I thought you might be talking about pizza.

You need to find a better 'naughty' word.

Ahhh, that's where many get fooled. The nice girl isn't always as nice as one may think and the cheerleader is often just a tease.

Damn! I'm about to rush home and make love to my Kuro!

Then again, sometimes the easy girl really is just as easy as you think she is. Look at Lindsay Lohan.
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Some of us don't have blinds on our windows, and don't want them. Are we therefore not worthy of having acceptable picture quality? What about lighting from other rooms that get reflected in the TV? Is my wife not allowed to work in the kitchen while the TV is on?

Not everybody can, or even wants to, tightly control ambient lighting. Having a technology that works for such scenarios is a good thing, even if it means tradeoffs that are unacceptable to rigid videophiles.

Ah.....

Another why are all those people who buy LCDs over plasma so stupid thread.

How is the corporate outlook at Best Buy these days?

I miss my local CC, they were helpful and knew the product. At least the people I dealt with. Even told me to go buy my HDMI cables on the internet for obvious reasons. Now that is service!

Mike

I am having a really tough time understanding the plasma guys and their public criticism of the LCDs. Let's walk slowly through the logic.

1. The supply and demand law are still in effect: the higher the demand, the higher the price.

2. What I want to buy I want to buy at the lowest possible price.

3. Therefore, it is in my interest to keep the demand low if I can.

4. Consistent with Item 3, as a prospective buyer I have no interest in telling everybody what a wonderful thing the item I am about to buy is.

5. Plasma guys keep raving about Elite Kuro.

6. This makes more people want Elite Kuro.

7. This leads to a higher demand for Elite Kuro.

8. The prices go higher when more people want Elite Kuro.

9. The current owners of Elite Kure will pay more when the time to upgrade comes because they kept talking about what a marvel Elite Kuro is instead keeping their mouth shut and enjoying their toys.

10. Conclusion: Elite Kuro owners are acting to their financial detriment because the pleasure of bragging is just too irrestible.

Anything illogical here?

Not exactly, although it all does sort of fall apart in the real world when you consider that Kuros are cheaper now than they've ever been, the 50" models especially.

Yea, every once in a while you will find one that knows what he/she is talking about.
And its like a breath of fresh air and makes you think that there may be hope for these bigbox stores.
a while back at HHgreg, I ran into a salsman who reccomended the plasmas over the LCD's. He went on about how motion, clouding, flashlighting, How viewing slightly off-angle harms the PQ substantially,etc.

It was nice to see a salesman that actually did his homework and wasn't just trying to make a quick buck and sell me a cheap Samsung/Sony LCD with the huge list of issues that comes with buying one.
He went on to tell me that the Consumer reports are not a good place to go for display comparisons and then went on telling me how useless the contrast ratios written on the advertisements are.

They really should make salesmen go thru a one day class or something so they will know the differences and stop recommending LCD's to people for movies/regular TV watching.
LCD's were not made for motion video. they are meant for text based applications like computers.
They are doing a great disservice to many people by recommending the the lower performing set to them

I have the most beautiful mountains view out my living room window. The view can't be beat and I'd much rather have the world of mountains coming into my living room than the world of television. Like I said my 52a550 has a stunning picture and its versatility can't be beat.

Thanks for your reasoning.

I just wanted to highlight that word in your comment Chad, as it wouldn't be fair to an unsuspecting "passerby", to read that, and get the wrong impression. While they may have "some" issues, same can be said for any and all technologies.

In my area, I have yet to visit a BB that pushed one technology over the other. Quite the contrary, most actually prefer plasma (not saying one is better than other, just stating my observation/experience with this demographic). On the other hand, most of the CC's in my area perferred the latter. The difference between the two staffs, is the staff at CC, used the typical misconceptions of plasma, such as the usual "life cycle", and "Burn in".

Another thing one has to take into account with these "large" B&M's, is that these people have to deal with the usual "ignorant" questions (at a high traffic rate nonetheless). Like with a lot of things, one becomes callus, and, or does not have the time to explain the differences between LCD and Plasma, when they have a group of people behind them waiting for service. Another thing is, that although these salesmen do not work on commission, some of them are in fact "enthusiasts", and do not enjoy being elaborate on a $900.00 purchase, with someone is who is trying to squeeze them for every penny, in the meantime, again, being completely clueless. So in most cases, they are just trying to "move it along".

Now, is this right? Probably not, but I can understand their views, as I have had NUMEROUS conversations with a couple of the people of my local BB/Mag, and am very good friends with some of them, including management. Also, I have been there enough to see it with my own two eyes and ears.

Fact of the matter is, the average consumer is at a complete loss, and looks for someone to either tell them what to buy, or tell them that the TV that they like is the best TV in the store.

Personally, I feel that people are way too hard on these salesmen. In most cases they are undertrained, underpaid, overworked, and pegged with enormous responsibility. You know what the people at BB get for being an extremely great, and knowledgable salesmen? A round of applause at the end of the day lol. It is in my opinion, that you if you are a great salesmen, it should be reflected in your paycheck, atleast that is how I run my business, and treat my staff, and some of them are teenagers, fresh out of H.S., so the whole "they are just kids, with their first job, and is part of the learning curve, in preparation for the real world" excuse, doesn't work with me (which is the reasoning I received in a conversation on the matter, believe it or not).

How do you watch the TV, and the mountains at the same time? Also, don't know how long you've been living there, but as beautiful as the mountains may be, like anything, gets a little old after a while.

It is kind of like dating the HOTTEST chick in your school. Once you've been with her for a while, she becomes "just like every other girl". Everyone stills oogles over her, but all you see are her flaws.

Don't know about you, but it doesn't really matter rather you have a matte, or a glossy screen; high ambient light will degrade the picture to the point where you can longer use the term "Picture Quality", because regardless, it is a hot mess. At that point, it is called "watching TV", and not "looking for PQ".

No such thing as a "rigid" videophile. You either are, or you aren't.

Finally, I am not the only one with a common sense view of the subject. I have been defending the BB and CC sales people since I joined AVS. They are called SALESMEN, for crying out loud, not personal advisors, educators, nannies, couches, spiritual leaders, friends, etc. And the stores are there to store and sell. They are not universities, libraries, advisory facilities, or places to chat and meditate.

Let's be honest: how many of you went there for the sole purpose of showing off your vast knowledge of every set by asking a poor 18-year old kid a question you already know the answer to just to embarrass the guy or at least to appear superior?

So it is your opinion that a salesman should not learn a little about what they are selling to better serve thier customer??

Your statement is the whole problem.

Salesman ARE there to help the customer and give accurate and helpful advise. PERIOD!!

Do you think its a coincidence that the best salesmen out there are the ones who know thier products, advise thier customers to the best solution that benefits them, and serve customers needs??

So whats next Ramazar???
Are we supposed to stop asking store employees where items are located in the store because they "Are not our personal guides" either??

What exactly does a salesman do in your ideal store? Just take your money?

Just because alot of these salesmen are teenagers is no excuse.
They could take a little time to get to know what they are selling.

Using the word salesman for the people at BB and CC is not doing justice to the profession. There are a few that will do their homework and understand the products that they are selling but the majority are simply nothing but order takers.

I prefer not to.