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DLP HDTV 3D FAQ


Last updated: 04-10-2010

Please note this document is a work in progress see bottom of this post for complete log of revisions. I compiled this FAQ out of frustration for not being able to find this information in a centralized location. In compiling this document I’ve contacted several companies including: Samsung, DDD, Texas Instruments, NVIDIA and IZ3D. Effort has been made to ensure all information presented here is correct but if you find some information to be incorrect please post and I will make changes and log accordingly.

General Questions


Q: What is DLP HDTV 3D?


A: Rear Projection DLP HDTV 3D is a relatively new implementation of 3D LCD ‘shutter’ technology. Powered LCD shutter glasses are synchronized with the television/display alternating what the left-eye and right-eye see creating the illusion of depth. The current DLP HDTV 3D implementation calls for the display to have 120hz refresh with 60hz devoted to each side rendered in High Definition 1080p the end result is what many believe to be an unsurpassed 3D effect.

The DLP 3D spec. is really two different specs./techniques (i.e., for front projectors and rear projection TVs). For DLP 3D-ready rear projection TVs (with 1080p native resolution) the 3D input signal must use a 1080p checkboard format at a 60 Hz refresh rate that is then processed within the RPTV to create individual one half resolution (960H x 1080v) right and left images that are both displayed every 1/60 sec. (thus the right and left images are each individually displayed 1/120 sec.). Please note: The information in this FAQ has been compiled for Rear Projection DLP HDTVs owners. I would like to expand this FAQ to juxtapose consumer grade Front projection DLP and Rear projection 3D DLP, but I do not have time to do this research. If someone would like to contribute in this area you can do so by sending me a private message where alterations... Professional grade DLP front projection systems are beyond the scope of this FAQ.



Q: Hasn’t this technology been around a while?

A: LCD 3D ‘shutter’ technology has been around for many years and has had select implementation (e.g. PC gaming) however the enhancement in quality of the effect provided by 120hz-60hz split/’checkerboard’ technique presented in 1080p makes this a stand out new technology worth checking out and getting excited about.


Q: How do I know if my HDTV supports DLP HDTV 3D?

A: As of this writing DLP HDTV 3D is available on all 1080p capable DLP Rear Projection televisions manufactured from 2008 forward. The same technology is also supported on select 120hz DLP HD front projectors and select 2009 120hz Samsung Plasma televisions. If your set supports this technology you should find a 3D input port located with the other inputs on the back or side panel of your television; consult your televisions Users Guide.


Q: Is their a standard for DLP/HD 3D?
A: There is a standard created by Texas Instruments for all OEMs who license their DLP technology. Samsung & Mitsubishi are acting as OEMs of this technology through their DLP HDTV products. However, there is no general industry standard for HDTV 3D. Standards usually imply a consortium of industry leaders coming together and agreeing on specific implementations and that has yet to happen with 3D. Although not equipped with Texas Instruments components, Samsung has extended the same 3D technique (apparently adhering to DLP 3D compatibility without violating Texas Instruments patents) to their 120hz Plasma line. As of this writing, the 3D input port found on all 3D equipped DLP and Plasma displays is identical and not vendor specific. UPDATE: 04-07-2010: The 3D shutter glasses designed for the new 2010 products are designed for 240hz displays and are not compatible with DLP 3D IR transmitters. this company continues to sell IR transmitters and glasses that DLP 3D.

UPDATE: 04-06-2010
Two important 3D related standards were finalized in 2009
The HDMI 1.4 standard was finalized which includes support for 3D up to 1080p.

The Blu-Ray Disc Association (BDA) finalized a 3D standard for storage

Following the huge success of the 2009 3D film AVATAR, 3D finally took the spot light at CES 2010. Vendors have already begun bringing new LCD/LED based 3D products to market in 2010 that support the new standards.

Q: Is the DLP 3D standard compatible with the 3D technology found in the new 2010 model LCD/LED 3D televisions?

A: No. The new television displays use a similar but different approach that provides higher resolution. The 2010 3D televisions are also HDMI 1.4 compliant.


Q: Will I be able to use a new 3D Blu-Ray player with my DLP 3D Ready television?

A: No because the new 3D Blu-Ray players coming to market in 2010 will require a display to have an HDMI 1.4 input to receive 3D data. However Mitsubishi announced at CES 2010 they are developing an adapter (Mitsubishi 3DC-1000) that should make this possible with all 1080p DLP 3D Ready Mitsubishi and Samsung DLP 3D HDTVs that are lacking HDMI 1.4. Let's hope Mitsubishi follows through with plans to release this device. Note: It appears adapter will not work with 720p 3D DLP RP HDTVs from Samsung (HL-T4675S, HL-T5075S. PN42A450, PN50A450, PN42B450, and PN50B450)


Q: I've heard that 3D broadcast will begin in 2010 over DirectTV... Will my DLP 3D HDTV display these broadcast?

A: According to "industry insiders" (well according to this article ) Mitsubishi 3D adapter mentioned above will also provide DLP 3D compatibility for the DirectTV HDTV 3D sit top boxes. NOTE: Mitsubishi has indicated their upcoming 3D adapter box (Mitsubishi 3DC-1000) will (at least in part) support the HDMI 1.4 3D standards as input and output DLP 3D (1920x1080p @ 60hz 'checkerboard'), specific support for DirectTV 3D sit top boxes and 3D Blu-Ray standards were mentioned. This would mean a broad range of compatibility with 2010 (and future) 3D devices.


Q: When will the Mitsubishi adapter (Mitsubishi 3DC-1000) be available for purchase and how much will it cost, where can I buy one?

A: As of April 7, 2010 Mitsubishi customer support has said the 3DC-1000 will be available for purchase June 2010. At CES 2010 a Mitsubishi representative stated the 3DC-1000 will cost around $100. Mitsubishi customer support has said the 3DC-1000 will be available for purchase through the Mitsubishi parts department


Q: Technically what is the difference in quality between the new 2010 LCD 3D displays and DLP 3D?

As with all HD content on DLP sets, DLP 3D relies on wobulation which results in half horizontal resolution. DLP televisions run at 120Hz (split in two at 60Hz for 3D content), the new LCD 3D capable displays are running at 240Hz (split to 120Hz for 3D content). The end result is the newer displays are capable of producing a higher resolution (full HD 1080p) image at 120Hz for 3D content. 120Hz divides evenly into 24 which allows for 3D content in 1080p at 24 fps on the newer displays... Having said that, at average viewing distance (5-7 feet) it's questionable how much the resolution difference will be noticed. Since DLP technology always relies requires some form of 3:2 pull down for film content there will always be more 'judder', but aside from the normal artifacts associated with that (which is a reality with all 2D HD film content on DLP HDTV sets as well) DLP 3D content running at 60Hz and LCD 3D content running at 120Hz will be indistinguishable to the human eye. To most people there will most likely be little noticeable difference.


Q: Are there any 3D DVD/Blu-Ray movies available that support this technology?
A: Monsters vs Aliens was released on Blu-Ray 3D March 2010 as an an exclusive pack-in with the Samsung 3D Start Kit (not compatible with DLP 3D), this thread includes information on other titles to be released in 2010, almost all of which are exclusive to bundles for specific vendor products. . The majority of 3D movies you see available at retail currently (e.g. Spy Kids 3D, Journey To The Center of The Earth 3D, Polar Express 3D, etc…) are using the traditional anaglyph 3D technique which requires the left and right lens be chromatically opposite colors (usually red/cyan lenses), this 3D technique has been around for decades and does not compare to the modern 3D technique obtained with synchronized LCD shutter glasses at 120hz found in 3D capable HDTVs. At CES 2008 Mitsubishi announced plans to bring a ‘3D Blu-Ray player’ to market. Mitsubishi demoed a working prototype of the unit which could not only play Made-for-3D Blu-Ray releases but could also convert non-3D Blu-Ray films to 3D in real-time. The Mitsubishi 3D Blu-Ray player has yet to hit the market. At CES 2009 Panasonic demonstrated a similar 3D Blu-Ray player prototype but provided no information on when the product might hit the streets. UPDATED 02-05-08: There are few DVD titles available that support this technology you can find a list here. The titles that are available on DVD must be played through an HTPC that meets the minimum requirements (see below) at 1920x1080p 60/hz in order to enable the 3D feature on the HDTV.


Q: Are there any XBox 360/PS2/PS3/Wii games available that support this technology?

A: No. While there may be console games marketed as '3D' such games are using the traditional anaglyph (color lenses) technique and are not compatible with the LCD shutter glasses/DLP 3D techology. It should be noted that the PS3 and XBox 360 consoles are capable of outputting 1920x1080p @60hz and technically could support DLP HDTV 3D, however no publishers have announced titles that will support this technology. UPDATE 04-06-2010: Sony has announced through firmware support the PS3 will support Blu-Ray 3D. Sony has not announced if they will publish games to support this technology, but it's being speculated that they will.




Q: Are there any PC games that support this technology

A: Yes, in fact many modern PC games will work and be converted to 3D in real-time without the need for a patch, however you will need to purchase a DLP 3D driver from IZ3D (free to ATI Radeon owners) or purchase the NVidia GeForce 3D Vision kit. DDD/TriDef also provides 3D drivers for select games which must be per game. Each solution here offers a different approach on the same technique and can be used interchangeably, PC games are not exclusively tied to one 3D driver, so you can them all and see which one works best. See section below What can do with my DLP 3D HDTV right now?


Q: How well does the real-time 3D conversion of DVDs work?

A: The effect is not as good as content produced for this application and varies a bit depending on what DVD is playing. The real-time 3D playback software (e.g. TriDef Media Player) generally provides depth controls to allow you to calibrate the 3D effect, but ultimately each scene is going to be rendered differently. The real-time 3D DVD conversion process seems to work better with live-action movies than animated films.

Q: How well does the real-time 3D conversion of PC games work?

A: Since most modern PC games are developed using Direct3D or OpenGL libraries a 'depth buffer' already exist in video memory, the PC game 3D conversion software taps into video memory and detects the depth of the objects being rendered on screen and transforms them for stereoscopic 3D display. As result, many PC games look amazing and very accurate in 3D.


Q: Can I use the Samsung 3D Shutter glasses and TriDef Experience software with a Mitsubishi 3D DLP television?

A: Yes. The glasses will connect and work fine with Mitsubishi and Samsung 120hz DLP sets. The vendor of the TriDef software (DDD) had this to say “While we do not officially support Mitsubishi DLP televisions, we’ve heard many reports from users who’ve had good luck”. It should be noted that DDD Software is in partnership with Samsung. As mentioned above the 3D implementation between Samsung & Mitsubishi DLP televisions is standardized and all hardware and software should work on either vendor’s displays without compatibility problems.


Q: Can I use the NVIDIA GeForce 3D Vision glasses/software with a 120hz Samsung DLP television?

A: Yes. In similar case to the partnership Samsung has with DDD on the TriDef software, Mitsubishi apparently has an agreement in place with NVIDIA so that the GeForce 3D Vision product is marketed for Mitsubishi DLP owners and not for Samsung DLP owners, however NVIDIA has confirmed the product is compatible with all 120hz 3D DLP displays.



Q: Is DLP 3D the same as RealD 3D technology used in digital cinema? How does DLP 3D compare to RealD 3D?


A: RealD and DLP 3D us a similar but different techniques to create a 3D effect. RealD relies on non-active polarized lenses and a single 144hz-capable display using ‘circular polization’ the display is ‘split’ into two 72hz images which alternate for left-eye, right-eye (at 144hz) and a transparent LCD filter is placed in front of the projector lens to create the needed effect for the polarized lenses to create a 3D effect. In contrast, DLP 3D relies on (active) LCD shutter glasses which are synchronized with the 3D DLP HDTV through an IR transmitter, projecting two 60hz images that are alternated for left eye, right-eye at 120hz. The end result has RealD and DLP 3D technologies as incompatible but ultimately of similar quality.


Q: Where can I buy additional LCD Shutter glasses

A: If you purchased the Samsung 3D Kit You can purchase additional LCD Shutter glasses compatible with the Samsung IR transmitter here


Q: How many LCD 3D glasses can be used on a single IR transmitter?

A: Any pair of 3D LCD shutter glasses that are compatible with your IR transmitter and are within the range of the transmitter will work, there is no limit. HDTVs are only equipped with a single 3D port designed for one IR transmitter.


Q: What is the range of the 3D IR transmitter?

A: According to the manual supplied with the Samsung SSG1000 kit the IR transmitter should be within 9.8' of the glasses (NOTE: I have tested 11' back with no problem)


Q: What can I do with DLP HDTV 3D right now?

A: DDD (TriDef Experience) provides software that you can use to convert any non-3D DVD to 3D using their real-time conversion process (Blu-Ray & HD-DVD are not supported), TriDef Experience also supports real-time 3D for many popular PC games. DDD has an on-line store where they sale their software products as well as DLP 3D LCD shutter glasses.
Find more information about TriDef Exeprience here
http://www.ddd.com/

iz3d provides a HDTV/DLP 3D compatible driver that works with many PC games, currently their DLP 3D driver is free to ATI Radeon video card owners, but will also work with NVIDIA graphic cards that are HTPC compliant. You can learn more here:
http://www.iz3d.com/

Similar to the iz3d driver, the NVIDIA GeForce 3D Vision product includes a pair of DLP 3D compatible LCD shutter glasses and software that works exclusively with select NVIDIA graphic cards to convert many PC games to 3D in real-time. More information can be found at the hyperlink below:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce...sion_Main.html

EDimenshional is an on-line retailer/vendor that sales DLP 3D LCD shutter glasses and other 3D products (be aware some of their 3D offerings are NTSC/Non-HD based, read product descriptions carefully)
http://www.edimensional.com/index.php

Berezin is an on-line retailer that sales many 3D related products including DLP 3D specific products (as with EDimenshional, be aware some products sold by this company are not designed for DLP 3D and use more traditional 3D approaches). As mentioned above, everything marketed for Samsung 3D will work fine with Mitsubishi's DLP 3D capable sets as well.
http://www.berezin.com/3D/samsung3d.htm


Q: Which works better for real-time PC gaming in 3D: the NVidia GeForce 3D Vision kit or the IZ3D DLP driver?

A: I can only comment on the IZ3D DLP 3D driver and say that it is amazing what this product does for the small price they are asking. Esepcially if you own an ATI video card, AMD/ATI has an agreement with IZ3D so that they provide their IZ3D driver for free. NVIDIA video card owners only have to pay around $50 USD. In comparison the NVIDIA 3D kit comes with software and a single pair of LCD shutter glasses which are compatible with DLP HDTVs, but they aren't compatible with other vendors glasses or any other software, which means you're stuck with a single pair (no split screen 3D gaming) and while the $200 USD price is reasonable for all you get many feel the IZ3D driver is just a much better value overall and many who've done side by side comparisons perfer the IZ3D quality as well. Keep in mind, each solution offers a different list of games that are supported.




Q: What kind of HTPC (Home Theater Personal Computer) is required for DLP/HDTV 3D?

A: Here are the suggested minimum requirements:
  • Intel Core 2 Duo (2.0ghz+) or comparable AthlonTM 64 X2 Dual-Core CPU
  • NVIDIA® GeForce 6600 or ATI RadeonTM X800
    (as a general guide line: video card must have at least 512-MB of RAM, DVI or HDMI output and support 1920x1080 output at 60hz)
  • Windows® XP, Vista 32 bit recommended


Troubleshooting

Q: Can I connect my PC/Notebook to my TV using a VGA to HDMI adapter?

A: If the adapter can handle 1920x1080p @60 hz (some can not) then it should be possible.... If anyone gives this a try, please report back success/failure.


Q: Will any DVI to HDMI cable work?

A: No, there are many DVI to HDMI cables that do not support 1920x1080p @60z. Look for a 'high speed' or 1080p capable DVI to HDMI cable. Monoprice.com is a good place to buy from.


Q: Why is the 3D option on my television is grayed out/disabled?

A: The television will only enable 3D option when a 3D compatible resolution:refresh rate is set on the input single. Current software requires 1920x1080p with 60hz refresh. Make sure your video card is set to 1920x1080p 60hz and is connected to appropriate HDMI port (see HDTV owners manual for specific HDMI port to use)


Q: When I switch to 1920x1080p @60hz my screen has sever display problems, but all other resolutions work including 1920x1080i?

A: The most likely cause is your DVI to HDMI cable. 1920x1080p @60hz requires more bandwidth than some cables can handle.


Q: There seems a lot involved in getting 3D to work with my television, can you describe the process in detail.

A: Below is a step by step list of what you'll need to get going
  • DLP LCD 3D Glasses & IR emitter - like those found here
  • A PC with at least 512-MB of video memory capable of outputting 1920x1080p at 60hz smoothly over DVI (see minimum requirements above)
  • A 1080p capable DVI to HDMI cable to connect the PC to your HDTV like the one found here
  • 3D software to allow the computer to spend the required data to the TV (like the TriDef software found in this kit. Or the DLP 3D driver for games available here)
  • Connect the IR emitter to the television and turn on the LCD shutter glasses within range, make sure the computer is set to 1920x1080p @60hz, make sure the 3D software on the computer is on/doing what it's suppose to do then enable the 3D feature of your HDTV using your HDTV remote.

Q: Will the new 2010 Samsung 3D Glasses starter kit work with DLP 3D HDTVs?

A: No you will need to buy the Samsung 3D Kit (SSG1000) which is now discontinued. As of April 2010 this company sells IR transmitters and Shutter glasses compatible with DLP 3D HDTVs.




Revision log:
02-05-09 Restored from backup
  • 04-06-2010 Updated to include information on broadcast and Blu-Ray 3D.
post #2 of 68
Thanks for gathering the information! I have a Samsung HL61A750 and was worried that only Mitsubishi DLP worked with the glasses!
post #3 of 68
YES, TKS for taking the time to create this good/informative post for us. I too have a Samsung 750 Series and have occasionally sought out via the Net - the latest on 3D......and "will it be for me on my Sammy"? With the present available 3D technology and products to make it work on my present set.....would be prohibitive for me; I would have to essentially replace this computer and XP OS + purchase the 3D equipment.
There is HOPE though, the other day I googled, I think, "3D TV" and WOW was I pleasantly surprised about the LATEST 3D TV NEWS.....it appears that several companies, Phillips for one, is or has developed 3D TV that does not even require glasses. ALOT of innovation going on concerning making 3D "home friendly". NOW, I hope and pray, some company develops a small component "box" with a dual processor; good GPU, etc....that will plug right into our 750's and give us 3D - so we do't have to rebuild our present 'puters and run a LONG output to the set. Maybe one that does not require glasses too -that would really be great!

Rots a Ruck!
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YES, TKS for taking the time to create this good/informative post for us. I too have a Samsung 750 Series and have occasionally sought out via the Net - the latest on 3D......and "will it be for me on my Sammy"? With the present available 3D technology and products to make it work on my present set.....would be prohibitive for me; I would have to essentially replace this computer and XP OS + purchase the 3D equipment.
There is HOPE though, the other day I googled, I think, "3D TV" and WOW was I pleasantly surprised about the LATEST 3D TV NEWS.....it appears that several companies, Phillips for one, is or has developed 3D TV that does not even require glasses.

Rots a Ruck!

Thanks.

Check out the Mitsubishi video which demonstrates 3D TV without glasses.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/04/m...lasses-needed/

Pretty amazing stuff and still a very long way off from consumer hands.
post #5 of 68
I'd like to suggest adding to the FAQ the link to Berezin Stereo Photography Products (http://www.berezin.com/3D .) I found this site to be the best/most complete retail internet site on 3D products for the home. They also offer a selection of 3D movies that are compatible with many different types of 3D displays including the DLP/TI solution (special PC software needed - see http://www.berezin.com/3D/3ddvd.htm )
post #6 of 68
I read in the Chicago Sun-Times a few weeks ago that the movie industry is in the midst of standardizing 3D so that there will be one format. How that translates to home systems I don't know. I'll try to find that article to be as specific as possible.
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Thanks... added.
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I just purchased the Mits WD-73735 that is 3D "ready". I understand that I'll need the glasses, transmitter, and 3D source material, but what do I need a PC for? How does all this stuff hook up?
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Originally Posted by zfzq03 View Post

I just purchased the Mits WD-73735 that is 3D "ready". I understand that I'll need the glasses, transmitter, and 3D source material, but what do I need a PC for? How does all this stuff hook up?

Sorry, somehow my top post got eaten by a poor connection, I've restored the FAQ if you don't find your answer there I'll be happy to help.
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I read in the Chicago Sun-Times a few weeks ago that the movie industry is in the midst of standardizing 3D so that there will be one format. How that translates to home systems I don't know. I'll try to find that article to be as specific as possible.

Googled and couldn't find any info on this.... anyone else heard about 3D in the home being standardized?
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I found the following after I Googled on

3D standards

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/art..._Standards.php
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The issue of Game Informer magazine (on stands now) has an interesting article on 3D related to video games. 1080p 120hz DLP 3D gets mention a few times as dows IZ3D (makers of what I believe to be the finest driver for PC 3D gaming on DLP televisions).

It mentions that XBox 360 and PS3 will be getting 3D games and since IZ3D is involved there's a strong chance there will be compatibility with DLP 3D.
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I am the product manager for NVIDIA GeForce 3D Vision. So if you want to ask me quesitons on it or add info for your FAQ here, let me know.

We do fully support DLP HDTVs. Our Mitsubishi support is better right now since we have had access to more of those for testing and development.
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If you are interested in 3D Vision, you can read more about it at our website. We have a our quick start guides online.
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If you are interested in 3D Vision, you can read more about it at our website. We have a our quick start guides online.

Thanks Andrew! Always good to have someone on the inside here available to help with Q&A... That's part of why I love AVSForum it attracts industry professionals.

So I have a non-technical question for you: Do you know/can you discuss how NVidia is planning to ramp up on marketing & advertising of 3D Vision product? As a consumers who is very excited about this, I've found when trying to talk it up to family, friends, coworkers someone really has to experience this technology to appreciate it... Without that experience people just don't 'get it' and it seems like store displays and sponsorships might be a way to move this forward.... I understand if you can't talk about specifics, but do you think we'll see some action by NVidia in 2009 to help people get a better understanding bout what the Vision 3D product is all about?

I really think Texas Instruments has sort of dropped the ball on this and so have the vendors, a lot of customers are buying 3D capable DLP and now Plasma displays and they have no idea how to use the feature or what it really does.
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I was so excited when I found out last year that my 6187s was 3D ready. A year has come and gone and there are still no new movies in 3D, games in 3D on the 360 or PS3, and it seems like every piece of news about 3D has the word "future" attached to it.

It is sad that all the technology is already out there, but nobody is doing anything with it.

Yet, I think all future Pixar releases are in 3D, and there has already been a bunch of movies made in 3D. Are these movies available in 3D in Blu-ray right now? hmmmmmm - NO!
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I am the product manager for NVIDIA GeForce 3D Vision. So if you want to ask me quesitons on it or add info for your FAQ here, let me know.

We do fully support DLP HDTVs. Our Mitsubishi support is better right now since we have had access to more of those for testing and development.

Andrew I am the IT manager for a growing animation firm and i would like to know if the new vision product works with Maya or 3D Studio Max or allows us to play back our animations in 3D if rendered with stereo Cameras? We Have a Mitsubishi DLP
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I am the product manager for NVIDIA GeForce 3D Vision. So if you want to ask me quesitons on it or add info for your FAQ here, let me know.

We do fully support DLP HDTVs. Our Mitsubishi support is better right now since we have had access to more of those for testing and development.

Where does the Geforce 3D emitter get it's sync signal from?

Would it be possible to have full manual control of the shutter glasses via the nvidia control panel? This would allow Geforce 3D glasses to work with any software that renders stereoscopic images.

I remember reading there is a "test" button in the control panel, does this turn on the shutter glasses and sync them to whatever the display refresh rate is? If so would this work for any non-supported application that does page-flipping?

In particular I want to make sure as long as I have a compatible display that the Geforce 3D glasses will work fine with DDD Tridef media player as well as 3dtv.at stereoscopic player.

Thanks!
post #19 of 68
Thanks for the informative thread RMZ76, I have the 61a750 and have been wondering and not knowing anything about the 3D. Unfortunately needing a pc with that kind of processing power is going to be too cost prohibitive for me so I guess I'm out of the game...
post #20 of 68
I missed this new thread. An old thread has been active for a while here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?t=1032892&

Also, everybody should view and contribute here so we can keep Samsung DLP on nVidia's radar:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=88884
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=89318

Although the poster from nVidia (this is the same andrewfear that posted in this thread so its great to see he is here as well) hasn't responded in a while, it looks like there is some attempt at official support of Samsung DLP with their new product.
post #21 of 68
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I missed this new thread. An old thread has been active for a while here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?t=1032892&

Also, everybody should view and contribute here so we can keep Samsung DLP on nVidia's radar:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=88884
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=89318

Although the poster from nVidia (this is the same andrewfear that posted in this thread so its great to see he is here as well) hasn't responded in a while, it looks like there is some attempt at official support of Samsung DLP with their new product.

I've known about the 3dmovielist web page for some time. Very interesting and informative, but it can be confusing since DVD and Blu-Ray movies released at retail on 3D are almost always exclusively released as traditional anaglyph 3D (cheap cardboard color lense glasses included, not compatible with DLP 3D shutter technology) the few that are compatible on that list have the animated 3D symbol (next to the buy button) such as Spy Kids 3D.

If you're a Samsung DLP HDTV owner and want to use the nVidia kit there's no need to wait... out of the box it works great with current Samsung sets... The reasons it's not marketed for both Mitsubishi and Samsung sets is unclear... Mitsubishi is probably assisting in marketing and Samsung isn't...
post #22 of 68
Hi All 3D Fans. Glad to see this thread I been a Big Fan of 3D since 91'. Been 3d Gaming since 2001. I currently have a DLP Projector I use for 3D Gaming but since these new 3D DLP TV's have come out gaming in 3D And a higher Rez is NOW possible..

I plan on getting 3 Mitsubishi diamond 3D Ready HDTV's and use them for Triple Screen Gaming and in 3D..

Also I would like to link to this site which has some info on 3D HDTV's:

http://www.3dflightsim.com/
post #23 of 68
New article on 3d TV:
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan...s/fi-threedee5

Not much breaking news. We have the technology blah blah blah the future...
In other words, nothing to see here for another year or two.
post #24 of 68
I have a Samsung DLP Rear Projection and the TridDef software and hardware.

The 3D looks great but when I try to watch my HQFS 3D DVD's, it doesn't work. The double images are still there. Regular 2D DVD's convert to 3D just fine.

Is there a setting that I'm missing to get the HQFS discs to work correctly?

Thanks.
post #25 of 68
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Originally Posted by Chris Blount View Post

I have a Samsung DLP Rear Projection and the TridDef software and hardware.

The 3D looks great but when I try to watch my HQFS 3D DVD's, it doesn't work. The double images are still there. Regular 2D DVD's convert to 3D just fine.

Is there a setting that I'm missing to get the HQFS discs to work correctly?

Thanks.

Chris,

I don't own any HQFS disc, but I see the vendor of the TriDef (DDD) software is also a reseller for the handful of commerically available HQFS DVDs, which means they can probably provide support for this.

If you haven't already tried this, here are settings that should work:

1. Make sure you HTPC is connected your HDTV by way of DVI to HDMI cable
2. Make sure the resolution on video card is 1920x1080(p) at 60hz.
3. Enable the 3D feature on the HDTV and sync the glasses
4. Play the HQFS DVD using normal DVD playback software (Windows Media, CyberLink PowerDVD, etc... you should not be required to use the TriDef playback software)

HQFS DVDs are certainly suppose to work, if your attempt to get support with DDD fails, I would next contact Samsung or Mitsubishi support.
post #26 of 68
Thanks for the help. I think my problem lies in one of the 3D settings. I haven't tried it yet but I think the answer is on this page:

http://www.tridef.com/media/player/n...xtDVDInputType

I think I simply need to cycle through the 3D modes by hitting the "D" key on the keyboard. Will find out later today when I get home.

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Originally Posted by rmz76 View Post

Chris,

I don't own any HQFS disc, but I see the vendor of the TriDef (DDD) software is also a reseller for the handful of commerically available HQFS DVDs, which means they can probably provide support for this.

If you haven't already tried this, here are settings that should work:

1. Make sure you HTPC is connected your HDTV by way of DVI to HDMI cable
2. Make sure the resolution on video card is 1920x1080(p) at 60hz.
3. Enable the 3D feature on the HDTV and sync the glasses
4. Play the HQFS DVD using normal DVD playback software (Windows Media, CyberLink PowerDVD, etc... you should not be required to use the TriDef playback software)

HQFS DVDs are certainly suppose to work, if your attempt to get support with DDD fails, I would next contact Samsung or Mitsubishi support.
post #27 of 68
Chris, what TV do you own and how do you like the 3D movie watching experience on the Samsung DLP? I am dying to get into this!
post #28 of 68
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Originally Posted by rmz76 View Post

If you're a Samsung DLP HDTV owner and want to use the nVidia kit there's no need to wait... out of the box it works great with current Samsung sets... The reasons it's not marketed for both Mitsubishi and Samsung sets is unclear... Mitsubishi is probably assisting in marketing and Samsung isn't...

So what is it about the patch they say to use for DLP but not Samsung "yet"? Do you get to run full screen or not? The website says not to use full screen res. I don't care too much if some of the screen gets cutoff because of overscan, although it is a problem in some games. On the other hand I'm not running with black border less than full res either. The other issue is the red tint some are seeing, supposedly compensation for the darker glasses Samsung sold?

But I beg to differ on if there is any reason or not to wait, I've only got a 9600 GT (passive cooling for an HTPC is one reason), and plus the price should be much lower on these. Although I say this and then I end up paying the early adopter penalty on stuff like this frequently.
post #29 of 68
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Originally Posted by nickels55 View Post

Chris, what TV do you own and how do you like the 3D movie watching experience on the Samsung DLP? I am dying to get into this!

Hello,

I have the Samsung HL61A750. The PC I'm using contains a AMD64 3800+ (2.0 GHZ) with a GeForce 8600GT video card. The 3D is smooth as silk.

The experience is not bad. I have a stockpile of HQFS 3D discs that I purchased a few years ago using an older 3D system with wired shutterglasses. The frame rate on those was much lower and flickered like crazy.

The old HQFS discs work great with the TriDef software. The 3D is much better with very little noticeable flicker. Very impressive 3D and stuff just pops right out of the screen.

The "on the fly" conversion from 2D to 3D is not as good but still not bad. While it doesn't have the same "wow" factor as a real 3D disc, the conversion works pretty well. It's quite amazing actually.

Unless you are a die hard 3D fan, I wouldn't recommend building a PC for this. It could get expensive and then you would add the cost of the TriDef starter pack which is another $150. I conveniently had an old PC laying around since I switched to Mac a little over a year ago so it worked out good for me. The problem right now is there really isn't a lot of 3D stuff out there for this system. Plus, it doesn't support Blu-Ray. I just wanted to tinker to see what it was like.

It's definitely fun though and I highly recommend trying it out if you have the proper PC and the money.
post #30 of 68
I have two of the three things needed: I have a Samsung 6187s which is 3D ready. I have a decent PC near my TV with an older ATI All-in-wonder 9600 video card that has DVI out. I believe it will just make it for the specs needed to output what I need for movies, but not games. All that is left is the tridef pack with the glasses and software. As I've complained about over and over is the lack of content. There are so many 3D movies out there in theaters, but not on DVD. Having just saw Coraline in 3D got me wanting that experience at home all over again. I am just sad that there are all these movie out there yet most of them haven't made it to DVD yet and possible never will.

My best case scenario is to one day be watching the Nightmare Before Xmas in 3D on my Sammy. There are also continued rumors about a 3D driver for the PS3 that seems to be going no where fast.
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