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post #31 of 68
3/19/09 at 7:53am
This is a great resource, thanks for the effort! [IMG]http://************************************/img/2464/i09b0128lrvx/smile.gif[/IMG]
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post #32 of 68
3/19/09 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by Chris Blount View Post

Hello,

I have the Samsung HL61A750. The PC I'm using contains a AMD64 3800+ (2.0 GHZ) with a GeForce 8600GT video card. The 3D is smooth as silk.

The experience is not bad. I have a stockpile of HQFS 3D discs that I purchased a few years ago using an older 3D system with wired shutterglasses. The frame rate on those was much lower and flickered like crazy.

The old HQFS discs work great with the TriDef software. The 3D is much better with very little noticeable flicker. Very impressive 3D and stuff just pops right out of the screen.

The "on the fly" conversion from 2D to 3D is not as good but still not bad. While it doesn't have the same "wow" factor as a real 3D disc, the conversion works pretty well. It's quite amazing actually.

Unless you are a die hard 3D fan, I wouldn't recommend building a PC for this. It could get expensive and then you would add the cost of the TriDef starter pack which is another $150. I conveniently had an old PC laying around since I switched to Mac a little over a year ago so it worked out good for me. The problem right now is there really isn't a lot of 3D stuff out there for this system. Plus, it doesn't support Blu-Ray. I just wanted to tinker to see what it was like.

It's definitely fun though and I highly recommend trying it out if you have the proper PC and the money.

So it sounds like you got the old HQFS DVD's to work? Are you using the TriDef software to do so?

I agree with everything you've said... For people wondering how the real-time 3D conversion looks for DVDs: It's difficult to describe, however the conversion algorithm seems to be dividing the screen up vertically. Things at the bottom of the screen are altered to appear closer and as you move vertically up whatever is there looks further away. Going to do a patent search and see if the details of how this is working can be uncovered.

DDD/TriDef isn't the only company with this sort of real-time conversion technology.

If you're not a PC Gamer and you don't already have an HTPC connected there just isn't enough to make the invest worthwhile. If you are a PC Gamer this is really a must-have. If you already have an HTPC that qualifies but you're not much of a gamer, then it's a harder choice... It comes down to, do I want to drop $150 on 3D for the novelity of it.
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post #33 of 68
3/19/09 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by rmz76 View Post

So it sounds like you got the old HQFS DVD's to work? Are you using the TriDef software to do so?

Yes. The TriDef software does an excellent job displaying the old HQFS discs. The depth perception is really very good.
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post #34 of 68
3/28/09 at 9:24am
i'm running the new nvidia 3d vision glasses system through my htpc though my onkyo tx-sr805 into my mistu 65736 dlp.

the 805 is messing up the frame sync to the ir emitter for the 3d. can this be corrected?

the 1080p is passing through to the tv fine but the visual picture frame sync to the glasses via the ir emitter is out of sync. lots of flickering and blackout of the lenses.

i have installed the latest and greatest drivers and firmware available for all my units and software.

everything is run hdmi, sound is provided from the htpc via spdif/coax to the 805.

if i go directly from the htpc into the mitsu it works prefectly. the 805 is doing no conversion as its just a passthrough system so they say, but something is happening at the passthrough. i just want to use one remote to do all the switching.
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post #35 of 68
3/30/09 at 11:24am
A nice little how-to guide just came up on Popular Mechanics website:

How To Make Your Television Play Anything in 3D
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...h_buzz&mag=pop

And two articles on Disney re-releasing some older films in 3D:
Disney doubles up on 3-D "Toy Story"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090401/en_nm/us_toystory_2
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090331/...lm_disney3_d_1
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post #36 of 68
4/23/09 at 1:00pm
I hope I'm not double posting but someone posted this link in the Samsung HL61A750 owners thread -

http://www.next3d.com/NEXT_3D.html

So my understanding and please correct me if I'm wrong, but that at the moment you need a PC to be able to install the software to produce the 3D effect correctly? So if you just wanted to flat out watch a movie or tv in 3D without a PC you're not going to be able to?

The link above seems to indicate we can play directly from our PS3 at some point.

I did not yet read the popular mechanics article someone linked.
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post #37 of 68
4/23/09 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Blount View Post

Hello,

I have the Samsung HL61A750. The PC I'm using contains a AMD64 3800+ (2.0 GHZ) with a GeForce 8600GT video card. The 3D is smooth as silk.

Chris, if you don't have the glasses on, do you see the red tint? I have my HTPC connected via HDMI to my 61A750, and if I enable 3D mode, it gives a red tint. Obviously, I don't have the glasses yet, nor the software. Also, if you do have the red tint, does it go away once you put on the glasses?

Thanks
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post #38 of 68
9/4/09 at 10:34am
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. There are also continued rumors about a 3D driver for the PS3 that seems to be going no where fast.

http://www.electronichouse.com/artic...s_in_2010/C157
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post #39 of 68
9/8/09 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by eddy_winds View Post

http://www.electronichouse.com/artic...s_in_2010/C157

I would like to see how valid that is. I just bought a Mitsubishi DLP that is 3-D ready. According to this, the PS3 will have 3-D for any 3-D TV.

I HOPE SO!!!!
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post #40 of 68
9/9/09 at 9:26am
Don't get your hopes up too high. I've been waiting and waiting on something like this for almost two years now, and my Samsung 3D DLP is just as useless today as it was on the day I purchased it. The rumors of a 3D Driver for the PS3 have been around for years now, and so have the promises from Next3d about content for the Xbox 360 and PS3. These rumors have so far gotten us nothing. Unless you want to connect your PC to your TV there is no real evidence that any of these new 3D products are actually going to happen.
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post #41 of 68
9/9/09 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by nickels55 View Post

Don't get your hopes up too high. I've been waiting and waiting on something like this for almost two years now, and my Samsung 3D DLP is just as useless today as it was on the day I purchased it. The rumors of a 3D Driver for the PS3 have been around for years now, and so have the promises from Next3d about content for the Xbox 360 and PS3. These rumors have so far gotten us nothing. Unless you want to connect your PC to your TV there is no real evidence that any of these new 3D products are actually going to happen.

Not entirely useless. You can play Invincible Tiger on your Samsung or Mitsubishi DLP with an Xbox 360 or a PS3 right now.
http://www.blitzgamesstudios.com/inv...e_displays.php
The upcoming game based on the movie Avatar will have similar 3D support for consoles. The idea that there will be a magical patch to make all existing games suddenly work in 3D is not likely to happen and Sony has backed away from that claim once people asked for specifics. Still, if games like Avatar prove popular enough, game developers could support 3D displays with patches to existing games. Technically it is simple to implement if the game can handle (with perhaps some framerate or resolution tradeoffs) having two viewports calculated for each frame.
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post #42 of 68
9/9/09 at 1:19pm
It starts. Now you've done it - my hopes have been officially raised, AGAIN.
Too bad the kit I need for the Samsung 3D conversion (SSG1000) is OOS everywhere now.
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post #43 of 68
9/25/09 at 1:53pm
Just to update, most of the minor issues with Nvidia 3D Vision and Samsund 3D DLP seem to have been fixed in newer drivers (including red tint and overscan -- you can run in a mode slightly smaller than full screen, and still get 3D--nothing is cutoff).

A current 3D/PhysX showcase is the PC version of Batman: Arkham Asylum. In fact, my HTPC isn't even powerful enough to do the PhysX.
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post #44 of 68
3/18/10 at 6:13pm
Sorry to revive an old thread, but with 3d Bluray players now available, I wonder about compatibility with this 3D system (if at all, not holding my breath)
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post #45 of 68
3/19/10 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

Sorry to revive an old thread, but with 3d Bluray players now available, I wonder about compatibility with this 3D system (if at all, not holding my breath)

Actually, yes --if you buy a Mits 3DC-1000 adapter that will turn those formats into the required checkerboard. I believe that it is expected that adapter will work with Sammy's too.

It is expected to cost ~$100 and be available in May or June. That doesn't include the cost of the glasses --those seem to be expected to go for $100-150 per pair initially (ouch).

I don't know if the FAQ originator is still reading this, but if he is, re the third question, I believe that at least some 2007 (FAQ says 2008) Mits DLPs will support 3D.
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post #46 of 68
3/29/10 at 8:52am
Samsung 3D DLPs reportedly will also work with the Mitsu 3D Adapter
(available "soon")...also note link to DLP compatible 3D Glasses:
http://hdguru.com/legacy-samsung-3d-...-directv/1386/
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...9422&Itemid=47

But will it work with the NEW HDMI 1.4a formats for SAT, Cable & OTA
or only the HDMI 1.4 Blu-Ray formats????? Or will that be yet another box....
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post #47 of 68
3/29/10 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

Samsung 3D DLPs reportedly will also work with the Mitsu 3D Adapter
(available "soon")...also note link to DLP compatible 3D Glasses:
http://hdguru.com/legacy-samsung-3d-...-directv/1386/
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...9422&Itemid=47

But will it work with the NEW HDMI 1.4a formats for SAT, Cable & OTA
or only the HDMI 1.4 Blu-Ray formats????? Or will that be yet another box....

The Mits converter is for 3D BD, cable, and satellite.
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post #48 of 68
4/5/10 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

Samsung 3D DLPs reportedly will also work with the Mitsu 3D Adapter
(available "soon")...also note link to DLP compatible 3D Glasses:
http://hdguru.com/legacy-samsung-3d-...-directv/1386/
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...9422&Itemid=47

But will it work with the NEW HDMI 1.4a formats for SAT, Cable & OTA
or only the HDMI 1.4 Blu-Ray formats????? Or will that be yet another box....

The SAT, Cable & OTA 3D programming will not require HDMI 1.4.
This will be 720p 3D programming.
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post #49 of 68
4/6/10 at 8:06pm
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Included some information about the 2010 Blu-Ray 3D and broadcast/cable content. Hope it's useful to curious DLP 3D owners.
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post #50 of 68
4/6/10 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

The SAT, Cable & OTA 3D programming will not require HDMI 1.4.
This will be 720p 3D programming.

Thanks
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post #51 of 68
4/7/10 at 5:22am
3d Blu ray Players w/ DLP
I went to Best Buy for a couple of things today. One to purchase The Natural on BD, to test my SSG-1000 3d glasses with the Samsung LED and to see if both the Samsung and the Panasonic 3d players output checkerboard. Well sadly I must report that the new 3d glasses operate differently and my glasses would not sync with the tv. I do find it interesting that if I cover the IR receiver on the new 3d glasses that they do not lose sync with the tv at all. I wonder if they are bluetooth or something. I got a chance to go into the menus of the two 3d blu ray players(Samsung/Panasonic) and both in fact support checkerboard. If I remember correctly when the 3d blu ray standard was announced they said the players would be display agnostic. Meaning that the players would be compatible with all 3d capable displays. I am sure Lee might be able to find that to confirm it. So as far as 3d blu ray the DLP crowd should have no problems. Now cable, satellite and the PS3 is the real mystery.i found this on the 3d thread
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post #52 of 68
4/7/10 at 6:26am
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Sadly they aren't compatible standards.... However, as I stated in the updated FAQ, Mitsubishi announced at CES 2010 they are bringing an adapter to market which will reportedly cost around $100 and bridge this gap.

Finding additional glasses to support your (DLP 3D) IR transmitter may become more of a challenge. i-glassesstore in CA is still selling supplies.

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/dlp3dsystems.html
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post #53 of 68
4/7/10 at 11:10am
Hopefully more stylish glasses will come back in stock once this home 3D takes off. My Samsung 6187s better work with this stuff!
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post #54 of 68
4/7/10 at 12:16pm
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No worries... There is only one DLP 3D standard so all the DLP Samsung & Mitsubishi models (including the LED-DLP Samsungs) adhere to that. If Mitsubishi's adapter works for one it should work for all.
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post #55 of 68
4/7/10 at 4:55pm
Hey guys, if anyone is in the market for the Xpand X102 DLP link glasses (no emitter required) they have popped up on Amazon.com. Just type in Sharp active shutter glasses. Apparently Sharp has partnered with Xpand for their new 3d dlp projector lineup. The glasses go for $106 with free shipping. Another site, Provantage has them as well. These glasses are really kick ass from what I am told and they are $50 cheaper than what Xpand sells them for and they are out of stock. Hope this was helpful.

Cheers
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post #56 of 68
4/7/10 at 6:47pm
The DLP 3D spec. is really two different specs./techniques (i.e., for front projectors and rear projection TVs) and I suggest the the FAQ be updated and expanded, starting with answer to "What is DLP HDTV 3D" to make this clear.

For DLP 3D-ready rear projection TVs (with 1080p native resolution) the 3D input signal must use a 1080p checkboard format at a 60 Hz refresh rate that is then processed within the RPTV to create individual one half resolution (960H x 1080v) right and left images that are both displayed every 1/60 sec. (thus the right and left images are each individually displayed 1/120 sec.).

For current DLP 3D front projectors, which have 720p native resolution, a different input 3D signal format is required and with different associated internal video processing and using a different display resolution. For DLP 3D-ready front projectors the required input signal contains sequentially alternating full resolution 720p frames with 120 frames per second total (i.e., 60 fps for each the right and left). The projector does not need to do any processing to decode the input 3D video since it is already in the display format and thus the projector simply displays the input 3D video stream at the input resolution and 120 Hz refresh rate.
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post #57 of 68
4/7/10 at 10:22pm
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Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post

Where does the Geforce 3D emitter get it's sync signal from?

If using a PC, there is a USB cable connection. There is also an available VESA cable that can be connected between the 3D Vision emitter and 3D port on the DLP 3D HDTV.

I'm asking for more detail on this and hope to have answers in the next few days.

In a perfect world, the NVIDIA 3D Vision active stereo glasses and emitter would work with any 3D source and DLP 3D HDTV. I think it might. We shall see.
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post #58 of 68
4/7/10 at 10:25pm
Moved to 3D Displays Forum.
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post #59 of 68
4/8/10 at 6:10am
Excellent FAQ, but I would like to offer one correction/clarification to the following:

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...Mitsubishi announced at CES 2010 they are developing an adapter (Mitsubishi 3DC-1000) that should make this possible with all DLP 3D Ready Mitsubishi and Samsung DLP 3D HDTVs...

This is not completely true. The adapter will only output checkerboard video at 1920x1080 resolution. There were a few Samsung "3D-ready" DLP RPTVs produced in 2007 that were 720p (1280x720 resolution), and these tvs will not work with the adapter.

I don't believe Mitsubishi produced any 720p "3D-ready" DLP RPTVs, so the adapter should work on all of their 3D-ready sets.

Additionally, none of the Samsung "3D-ready" plasmas from 2007-2009 will work with the adapter either because they require different resolutions as well.
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post #60 of 68
4/8/10 at 6:29am
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Originally Posted by JamesN View Post

Excellent FAQ, but I would like to offer one correction/clarification to the following:



This is not completely true. The adapter will only output checkerboard video at 1920x1080 resolution. There were a few Samsung "3D-ready" DLP RPTVs produced in 2007 that were 720p (1280x720 resolution), and these tvs will not work with the adapter.

I don't believe Mitsubishi produced any 720p "3D-ready" DLP RPTVs, so the adapter should work on all of their 3D-ready sets.

Additionally, none of the Samsung "3D-ready" plasmas from 2007-2009 will work with the adapter either because they require different resolutions as well.

Thanks for this info... I'm waiting for some feedback like this to come in and plant to update the FAQ this weekend. Do you have a list of the 720p (only) 3D Ready Samsung models?
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