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post #181 of 229
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

I'll be darned. That worked. Of course full screen Hulu type videos are useless. BUT, they are completely perfect through Boxee with about 50% CPU usage. The only HD source I can find in Boxee is Earth-Touch. It seems to be limited by the network speed and seems to be limited on their end and I have 11 megabit speed. If it buffers data it plays almost perfectly but then it will get to judder and finally stop.

Glad it worked.

Is Boxee Flash?
post #182 of 229
Boxee (and I think XBMC) can play Flash video streams natively. Boxee had code that would scrape Hulu (and other sites) and give a friendly menu of videos to play. But they were forced to remove it.
post #183 of 229
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So your case allows completely passive cooling of an IONITX (the dual core too)?
That sounds interesting, have you measured the cpu and gpu temperatures after several hours of video playback, how high do they get at most?

Correct, full passive cooling of a dual core Zotac IONITX system. I'll run a complete set of temperature tests and report back, but initial results show around 5 degrees celsius lower temps when installed in the case vs running open on a test bench (at low - medium work loads).
post #184 of 229
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Originally Posted by k_ross View Post

Boxee (and I think XBMC) can play Flash video streams natively. Boxee had code that would scrape Hulu (and other sites) and give a friendly menu of videos to play. But they were forced to remove it.

Exactly, and I thought that boxee now incorporates a browser plugin for hulu flash content, but I don't understand how it could possibly play flash content more efficiently than, say, with firefox...although the version of firefox that comes with jaunty has a serious leak problem and needs to be explicitly killed and restarted after a couple of hours because it will hog 100% of one of your cores regardless of whether or not you are playing flash content.
post #185 of 229
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Originally Posted by mythmaster View Post

Exactly, and I thought that boxee now incorporates a browser plugin for hulu flash content, but I don't understand how it could possibly play flash content more efficiently than, say, with firefox...although the version of firefox that comes with jaunty has a serious leak problem and needs to be explicitly killed and restarted after a couple of hours because it will hog 100% of one of your cores regardless of whether or not you are playing flash content.

Actually, you're right. I remembered reading that Boxee had native Flash stream playback support, but further investigation reveals that they just package the Flash plugin into a standalone binary, bxflplayer.

Now why is that more efficient than Firefox? I don't know, maybe the actual video rendering is handled in a different, more efficient way.

-- Kevin
post #186 of 229
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Originally Posted by k_ross View Post

Actually, you're right. I remembered reading that Boxee had native Flash stream playback support, but further investigation reveals that they just package the Flash plugin into a standalone binary, bxflplayer.

Now why is that more efficient than Firefox? I don't know, maybe the actual video rendering is handled in a different, more efficient way.

-- Kevin

Whatever they've done, the difference is huge; from completely unwatchable with Firefox to perfect with Boxee. This is for full-screen.
post #187 of 229
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Whatever they've done, the difference is huge; from completely unwatchable with Firefox to perfect with Boxee. This is for full-screen.

Well, boxee deserves a second look then. Last I checked they had no plans for vdpau support, but I'm guessing that they'll eventually "get with the program" on that.

Have you tested with HD content in fullscreen like the "seeker"? http://www.hulu.com/hd/48731
post #188 of 229
the newest version of boxee has vdpau just like xbmc. I can select vpdau-temporal as an option on the video menu
post #189 of 229
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Originally Posted by blackoper View Post

the newest version of boxee has vdpau just like xbmc. I can select vpdau-temporal as an option on the video menu

All I could find is "use hardware acceleration if available" under the "Videos" configuration menu. When I checked this off HD videos from Hulu played flawlessly for about 1 minute and then Boxee crashed out. Then Boxee would not run again until a reboot. Beta software problems? But at least we're on a path and will have it eventually I think.
post #190 of 229
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

All I could find is "use hardware acceleration if available" under the "Videos" configuration menu. When I checked this off HD videos from Hulu played flawlessly for about 1 minute and then Boxee crashed out. Then Boxee would not run again until a reboot. Beta software problems? But at least we're on a path and will have it eventually I think.

OK... good news update. Boxee stopped crashing with hardware acceleration. It's a mystery why "things" start to behave. The only HD content I can find in Boxee is Earth-Touch and I think it's 720p. It plays flawlessly! It looks beautiful. I found http://www.hulu.com/hd/48731 but it won't play under Boxee for some reason. Network Traffic goes to zero when I select that video. I played it on straight Firefox/Flash and got about 1 fps!
post #191 of 229
A question... so now I have HD playback working in Boxee, where the heck is the HD programming on Boxee? Earth-Touch has been all I can find!
post #192 of 229
none of the streamed over the internet stuff in boxee is hd. I provide my own local hd movies and content from a local large samba share.

Oh and I confirmed that boxee does do vdpau acceleration. I changed the video interlacing method to vdpau and processor usage dropped way down. 1080p high bitrate mkv and vc-1 content was pretty much flawless. I have the single core version and it was using about 70% of the processor. Very few dropped frames

Also I'm running my zotac board from a mythbuntu diskless image. Boots in about 15 to 20 seconds and seems to work just fine (minus restart and shutdown on the board working. Things just crash midway through the shutdown process once network goes down)
post #193 of 229
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Originally Posted by blackoper View Post

I can select vpdau-temporal as an option on the video menu

I changed the video interlacing method to vdpau

I'm just not seeing these option in Boxee. The only hardware acceleration related option I can find is an "Enable hardware assisted decoding when possible" checkbox under Settings->Video. Has another version of Boxee already come out?

Is there any way to choose a 480p Hulu stream instead of the 360p stream?

BTW, Earth-Touch is a Hulu app that does HD under Boxee. It's the only one I found so far, though.
post #194 of 229
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You can change your account settings in Hulu to play 480p by default...assuming that boxee actually logs you in to your account. I'll have to check it out again now that it has vdpau support.

If it doesn't log you in to Hulu, then you should be able to request that feature. It should be fairly straight-forward to implement if they are, in fact, using browser code to connect.
post #195 of 229
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

I'm just not seeing these option in Boxee. The only hardware acceleration related option I can find is an "Enable hardware assisted decoding when possible" checkbox under Settings->Video. Has another version of Boxee already come out?

it's an option when you are playing the video. You have to open the menu once the video starts playing. It's in the video section. Change it from auto to vdpau or vdpau temporal
post #196 of 229
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Originally Posted by blackoper View Post

it's an option when you are playing the video. You have to open the menu once the video starts playing. It's in the video section. Change it from auto to vdpau or vdpau temporal

OK... I found that. But how do you get it to "stick" from video to video? I have to reset it each time I play something. Perhaps I should take this to the Boxee forum if this is too OT.
post #197 of 229
Has anyone overclocked these puppies in this forum? I learned how to do it here: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3566&p=4
Then I double-checked the results with /proc/cpuinfo and, yes indeed it reports a cpu MHz of 2000. I checked it because it's running at 33 degrees C (with the stock 60mm fan). I've been running it all day with Ubuntu and Boxee and it has been 100% stable. Is it really this much of a no-brainer? I'm tempted to try it fan-less.
post #198 of 229
The same article on pg 3 http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3566&p=3 confirms that fullscreen Hulu HD is not watchable (which is what we all suspected). Kind of shocking to me that we've seen/heard so little from Adobe on this when every Atom article/review mentions how bad Flash performance is.... are they all on vacation?
post #199 of 229
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Originally Posted by zim2dive View Post

The same article on pg 3 http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3566&p=3 confirms that fullscreen Hulu HD is not watchable (which is what we all suspected). Kind of shocking to me that we've seen/heard so little from Adobe on this when every Atom article/review mentions how bad Flash performance is.... are they all on vacation?

Huh... I find it completely watchable on a 1024x1280 screen. It's got a hiccup every so often but mostly completely smooth. It also plays well on 900x1440. Maybe the overclocking helps.
post #200 of 229
The Acer Aspire Revo is at newegg for the shockingly low price of $199.

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Acer AspireRevo AR1600-U910H Intel Atom 230 (1.6GHz) 1GB DDR2 160GB NVIDIA ION LE graphics Windows XP Home

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-228-_-Product

single core, but...at least its not at the $300-$400 prices for most Atom systems.

edit: altho a little unclear about the implications of ION LE vs ION http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14908/1/
post #201 of 229
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Originally Posted by zim2dive View Post

The Acer Aspire Revo is at newegg for the shockingly low price of $199.

single core, but...at least its not at the $300-$400 prices for most Atom systems.

edit: altho a little unclear about the implications of ION LE vs ION http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14908/1/

Well spotted, I have added it to the Nvidia ION overview article straight away.

AFAIK, the LE version only support DirectX 9, so it doesn't work with Vista, but I think it makes no difference for Linux.
post #202 of 229
Has anyone modded one of these to include an IR receiver?
post #203 of 229
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Originally Posted by zim2dive View Post

The Acer Aspire Revo is at newegg for the shockingly low price of $199.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-228-_-Product

single core, but...at least its not at the $300-$400 prices for most Atom systems.

That is almost exactly what I've been looking for as a second frontend. Dual core would be ideal, as would an included IR receiver. But, the core functionality is perfect, if VDPAU is stable with it (a search of the MythTV mailing list showed a couple reports of people using the Revo with VDPAU)

At only $200, this is hard to beat.


Any recommendations for the best distro to use for MythTV+VDPAU?
post #204 of 229
Modding it for a ir receiver would negate the warranty. An external USB receiver isn't all that obtrusive.

I installed a recent Ubuntu daily build on a POV ION based system. I just noticed that there is an SVN version of MythTV 0.22 available from the repositories. I don't know if it has VDPAU eanbled or not. I just compiled 0.22 from SVN, and don't want to ruin anything just to try it.

Anyone wanna give it a try? There is a karmic koala alpha 6 version available too, as well as a daily build.

http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
post #205 of 229
An alternative for the Atom-averse out there-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813500021

Anyone try one? Same miniITX form factor and VDPAU capable (8200 vs 9xxx) like the ION boards, but with an AM2+ socket to put whatever CPU you want in it...

I don't like a CPU monopoly any more than an OS monopoly
post #206 of 229
I think that the choice of the Atom CPU is because of it's low power consumption. Am I incorrect on this?
post #207 of 229
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Originally Posted by Rgb View Post

An alternative for the Atom-averse out there-

Anyone try one? Same miniITX form factor and VDPAU capable (8200 vs 9xxx) like the ION boards, but with an AM2+ socket to put whatever CPU you want in it...

I don't like a CPU monopoly any more than an OS monopoly

Unfortunately that board is lacking HDMI and SPDIF audio outputs that's why it didn't make the "Best Linux HTPC mobos" list either.

Yeah, I know you could just add a sound card, but that won't fit in small ITX cases, so it negates the main point of chosing ITX over mATX.
post #208 of 229
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Originally Posted by waterhead View Post

I think that the choice of the Atom CPU is because of it's low power consumption. Am I incorrect on this?

low power (therefore easier to cool without noise) and even smaller size, you won't be able to build such a small PC as the Acer Revo with an ITX mobo.
post #209 of 229
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Originally Posted by tux99 View Post

Unfortunately that board is lacking HDMI and SPDIF audio outputs that's why it didn't make the "Best Linux HTPC mobos" list either.

Yeah, I know you could just add a sound card, but that won't fit in small ITX cases, so it negates the main point of chosing ITX over mATX.

Good catch on the missing SPDIF- guess that's why you run your own Linux website and I just post here

While the missing HDMI is not an issue for me (trivial to get a DVI to HDMI adapter or cable), it's unbelievable they would omit an SPDIF out on the back panel.

However, if you zoom in on the Zotac board pic at newegg, there is an SPDIF header on the lower right- trivial to add a coax out.

If the price goes down futher, I might want to try this Zotac with an Athlon II X2 45nm cpu...
post #210 of 229
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Originally Posted by tux99 View Post

Unfortunately that board is lacking HDMI and SPDIF audio outputs that's why it didn't make the "Best Linux HTPC mobos" list either.

For $30 you can get a Turtle Beach USB optical out.. my understanding is that it works well under linux. Not perfect, but if it makes an otherwise "flawed" mobo "work", then it could be useful (but in this case, still no HDMI)
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