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post #301 of 460
but it is unusual to review a play like that, especially such an important play.

an on field review would have been better and would have allowed the refs to explain the call answering many questions when the game ended as it did
post #302 of 460
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

but it is unusual to review a play like that, especially such an important play.

an on field review would have been better and would have allowed the refs to explain the call answering many questions when the game ended as it did

the last play was reviewed by the booth replay official but because he thought it clearly was a fumble he didnt buzz down to have the field ref review it.

mike pereira the NFL ref boss was on NFLN & did say that next year close plays at the end of the game will be buzzed down to the field so the on field ref can review/announce the decision to avoid confusion with the crowd & tv viewers.
post #303 of 460
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Originally Posted by dcowboy7 View Post

the last play was reviewed by the booth replay official but because he thought it clearly was a fumble he didnt buzz down to have the field ref review it.

mike pereira the NFL ref boss was on NFLN & did say that next year close plays at the end of the game will be buzzed down to the field so the on field ref can review/announce the decision to avoid confusion with the crowd & tv viewers.


which is my point, and most commentators point, exactly
post #304 of 460
Only to address the whiners. Not to address any real issue with the current process which performed exactly as intended.
post #305 of 460
NFL: Warner fumble warranted a review:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...te_of_sup.html
post #306 of 460
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Originally Posted by taxman48 View Post

NFL: Warner fumble warranted a review:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...te_of_sup.html

your/their comment is wrong.
it was reviewed by the replay booth official as the article says.
they are just saying how it will be done differently next year.
post #307 of 460
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Originally Posted by taxman48 View Post

NFL: Warner fumble warranted a review:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...te_of_sup.html

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if only to prevent the uproar that has resulted

Like I said - only to appease the whiners.
post #308 of 460
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Originally Posted by taxman48 View Post

NFL: Warner fumble warranted a review:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...te_of_sup.html

I didn't give a flying f*&k for either team since my Chargers were out of it again. I did not think Kurt's pass was a fumble, but a forward pass. I also thought that the officials were running the show with the officiating. I even said to my guests at one point that I should have searched on the net and downloaded the leaked script. For the first time I saw the N.B.A. in the N.F.L.
post #309 of 460
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Originally Posted by Run4two View Post

I didn't give a flying f*&k for either team since my Chargers were out of it again. I did not think Kurt's pass was a fumble, but a forward pass.

if you think that was a pass you need either:

1. an optometrist appointment.
or
2. an nfl rules book.
or
3. both.
post #310 of 460
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Originally Posted by Run4two View Post

I didn't give a flying f*&k for either team since my Chargers were out of it again. I did not think Kurt's pass was a fumble, but a forward pass. I also thought that the officials were running the show with the officiating. I even said to my guests at one point that I should have searched on the net and downloaded the leaked script. For the first time I saw the N.B.A. in the N.F.L.

The Chargers got spanked fair and square by the Steelers. No need to join the ranks of the 10 year old conspiracy theorists.
post #311 of 460
Every year I host the big game and regardless of the Chargers, I always choose a team to support for the game. This year it was the Steelers as my best friend is a welder. I was merely stating my opinion on one call. I kept calling the "leaked script" later on in the second half when I felt the refs were trying to bring it back. I didn't elaborate and make myself clear. My fault. Let me just say that I enjoy officiating that supports the game, not steers or becomes the game. I'm also a Laker fan, and I've seen them benefit way too much too not question.
post #312 of 460
man, there are a couple of steeler fans here who are on the oboxious side.

most people agree the last play was a close call that should have been reviewed, but these guys basically call others who think things could have been handled better by the referees whiners or something akin to traitorous.

maybe what others have posted here about steeler fans being unbearable is true. I always liked the steelers but some of these fans are being unreasonable.
post #313 of 460
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

i believe ronnie lott played safety after tatum. his hits are legendary

Hence why I used the qualifier "arguably". I just didn't want to diverge into a 49ers discussion without good cause. But, the point stands.

I suspect if you were to ask players, Lott beats Harrison, but not by as much as you'd think. Rodney Harrison has the disadvantage of playing on some pretty mediocre and/or awful San Diego teams. So people forget how good he was in his prime.

Also, I'll offer that Lott played back when you still line up and kill a receiver (ah, those NFL Films of Don Beebe's neck being snapped ... good times).

It's hard to compare certain things after a big rules changes. Harrison deserves a lot of credit for timing it takes to deliver killer hits in the two-hand touch era of pro football. Also, I think most coaches would take Harrison as their eighth man in the box over Lott.

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Originally Posted by GrouchoDude View Post

Football players get hurt and discarded like used tissue. It's a pretty disturbing double standard when you think about it.

You know, one of the things that has always upset me about pro football is the way the players are treated. The truth is, an NFL player runs a very realistic risk of being permanently unable to make money ever again while at the same time not making enough cash to make it to old age.

If a guy makes the league minimum and survives the average career (4.5 years), he has to pray he survives in good enough condition to leverage his Comm degr -- oh, wait... most of these guys are screwed no matter what.
post #314 of 460
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Originally Posted by estoniankid View Post

man, there are a couple of steeler fans here who are on the oboxious side.

most people agree the last play was a close call that should have been reviewed, but these guys basically call others who think things could have been handled better by the referees whiners or something akin to traitorous.

maybe what others have posted here about steeler fans being unbearable is true. I always liked the steelers but some of these fans are being unreasonable.

IT WAS REVIEWED.
Al Michaels even said that during the game.
Now, if you want to complain about Warner's earlier fumble that was overturned,
and why it wasn't intentional grounding,
or him taking off his helmet on the same play, and again not getting penalized, go right ahead.
post #315 of 460
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Originally Posted by estoniankid View Post

most people agree the last play was a close call that should have been reviewed, but these guys basically call others who think things could have been handled better by the referees whiners or something akin to traitorous.

As a Steelers fan, let me say it is the general lameness of all the whining that bothers me.

Half the teams that wins the Super Bowl are now subject to the same crap. "Well, if the refs hadn't encouraged Kurt Warner to hold the ball long enough for a three man rush to get there... And if the refs had defensive backs who were competent enough to handle a lob pass in the corner to a 5'11" receiver..."

I'm sorry, but the refs didn't make the Cards incapable of covering the Steelers #2 receiver.

Come on. The game happened. And exactly why are the Steelers responsible for one of the worst years ever of NFL officiating? It happens.

What's worse, two years ago the Seahawks fans would not shut up about what was indisputably the fugliest Super Bowl ever played. We've heard this screed before. "Well, if the refs hadn't given up the longest touchdown run in Super Bowl history..."

It's lame. Whining about the officials is weak. Period. Ever, always.

Unless you got some Tim Donaghy or Bill Belichik level evidence, it's time to stow it.
post #316 of 460
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Originally Posted by MeowMeow View Post

What's worse, two years ago the Seahawks fans would not shut up

actually that was 3 years ago in SBXL as this was SBXLIII.
post #317 of 460
I think the Giants/Ravens Super Bowl was the fugliest; man, talk about boring. It was a labor to make it through it.

There are a couple of reasons why SBXL wasn't the fugliest: 1) Steeler defense shuts down on of the more potent offenses in the league that year; 2) Ben's scramble and long throw to Hines Ward to set up their first touchdown; 3) Willie Parkers incredible run on the Steelers' first drive of the 3rd quarter; and 4), well, you know, the razzle dazzle play (including the oft ignored crucial block by Ben) that resulted in Ward's TD to clinch the game.

The only thing that made SB XL fugly was the commentary about the officiating, calling calls "ticky-tacky" even if they were correct. That kind of thing is contagious. There is no such thing as a ticky-tacky call, it's either correct or wrong. Every call in SB XL was correct, regardless of how ticky-tacky you think it was. I always hate when I hear "they should let them play the game". How is this any different than a regular game. The players play the game, the refs officiate, and the losers always whine.

As much as I like Haley, and hope he'll improve the Chiefs' prospects for success (Hank Stram's coaching and on-mic performance during SB IV make me a closet Chiefs fan), it's sad that the Cards had to lose him and their D coordinator, who, I thought, did a remarkable job in the playoffs, effectively shutting down the Panthers and the Eagles, and making it very difficult for the Steelers. With all these changes and a possible loss of Warner, the Cards won't be back next year. Look for the Falcons to take their place.
post #318 of 460
NFC has sent 8 different teams to the SB in the past 8 years. If the trend continues, I'd say the Saints are next year's Cinderella. Plus the Steelers need a SB win against an NFC South team.
post #319 of 460
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Originally Posted by petesimac View Post

Every call in SB XL was correct

Only a Steelers fan would say that. The rest of the world could see that many of them simply weren't.
post #320 of 460
Wow, all the whiners are amazing. In all these games not ever ref call was perfectly correct and even more non-calls were incorrect. After watching Steeler defenders get not only held, but tackled, dragged down by choke-hold, and basically mugged for most of the season yet go through an 8 game period with only ONE offense holding flag being thrown, I just have to laugh at the whining over 4 of them being called against Arizona, all of which were blatant, and ignoring that the biggest penalty of the game was the holding in the end zone against Pittsburgh, which was total BS.

Then these losers try to claim that the last TD wasn't a TD when the only false TD was the Fitzgerald one.

In summary, Arizona was getting crushed for 3/4 of the game. For some reason the Steelers defense loosened up in the 4th quarter and it killed them, along with the Offense getting overly conservative in the second half, which, unfortunately, is not unusual (a new Offensive Coordinator would be nice). But when they had to score, they did, since Arizona really couldn't stop anyone all day. In the end, the better team one, they just made it more exciting than it needed to be, which is exactly how most of the games all season went for the Steelers.
post #321 of 460
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Originally Posted by Jeremy W View Post

Only a Steelers fan would say that. The rest of the world could see that many of them simply weren't.

That is right! Only Steeler fans, they stand by themselves in regards to that game and they are STILL trying to defend it and that says a lot!
post #322 of 460
Of course, and Cowboys fans claim they were robbed of two SBs. Everyone that loses claims there are one or two calls/non-calls that would have changed the game. That's part of football. Seahawks game was thoroughly reviewed and the resulting opinion was the only blatant bad call (non-call) went against the Steelers.

I was reading on a Cardinals forum and many were saying if Warner hadn't thrown that pick at the end of the first half, the officiating would be a non-issue. That's because they would then (theoretically) have won the game. Seems it is only an issue for the team that loses - and the fans of theirs that are also losers.

BTW - Steve Sabol of NFL Films ranks the Santonio Holmes catch as the best game winning catch in NFL history (not just the SB) - even surpassing the Immaculate Reception and "The Catch" by the 49ers.
post #323 of 460
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Originally Posted by Lodef View Post

That is right! Only Steeler fans, they stand by themselves in regards to that game and they are STILL trying to defend it and that says a lot!

I'm not a Steelers fan, and I have no problem with any calls made in Super Bowl XL or XLIII.

Of course, I'm not retarded either.
post #324 of 460
Even Warner had 5 secs left, he had no chance of winning!

End Thread!

post #325 of 460
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Originally Posted by BustHDTV View Post

I'm not a Steelers fan, and I have no problem with any calls made in Super Bowl XL or XLIII.

Of course, I'm not retarded either.

Thats debatable!
post #326 of 460
Originally Posted by petesimac:
Every call in SB XL was correct

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Originally Posted by Jeremy W View Post

Only a Steelers fan would say that. The rest of the world could see that many of them simply weren't.

Unbiased review:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/eve...uncalled-holds
post #327 of 460
Know what's a drag? People who are more interested in being haters of a particular team (like the Steelers) than in being a fan of their team. They can't bring themselves to give them any credit, so it must be that the refs did it, or whatever. Envy is an ugly thing.

I sometimes wonder how some of the great teams and games of the past would be viewed now had there been the internet around to enable everyone to pick the games apart and stir up all controversy and conspiracy theories.
post #328 of 460
Everyone knows that Art Rooney bought the Steelers with $2500 he won at the track....but did you know that after a huge week of gambling (up a couple hundred grand, I think) he named one of his sons after his bookie Tim? His bookie was Tim Mara, who had invested $500 to start the NY Giants (it was either that, or invest in boxer Gene Tunney).

Tim Rooney's son is now a Congressman in Florida. Dan Rooney will likely be the next Ambassador to Ireland.

How can you not love the Steelers?
post #329 of 460
SixBurgh....end of arguement
post #330 of 460
Geez, I'm glad that when my Colts won in 2007, it wasn't a close game, otherwise people would be trying to say the refs gave it to the Colts. Even Bears fans will admit its the Bears own damn fault.
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