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post #31 of 313
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn View Post

Only DW knows for sure. It has been in the rumor mill for 3-4 years.

The newest Watch2 is a big improvement over the original. I don't know what DW did, but it's a much better match for the mains now than the original version. With the stand around $10k. I have to say I could never listen to the original at all and Watch2 is night and day difference. I would see very little need for a Polaris, IMO.
post #32 of 313
50-75% of the cost of any tower speaker is in bass. Therefore, the cost of a compact center channel should be between 12.5%-25% of the cost of a pair of towers and a full range center should be approximately 50%.
post #33 of 313
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

50-75% of the cost of any tower speaker is in bass. Therefore, the cost of a compact center channel should be between 12.5%-25% of the cost of a pair of towers and a full range center should be approximately 50%.

I beg to differ
post #34 of 313
$55K for a center channel is simply mind numbing....
post #35 of 313
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn View Post

I beg to differ

Differ in what way?
post #36 of 313
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

$55K for a center channel is simply mind numbing....

I think it is a matter of perception. I would say $220K for a pair of speakers is equally mind numbing, but I would expect to pay $55K for a compact center channel to match or even $110K if it were a driver for driver match.

I think we have become desensitized to the ridiculous cost of flagship speakers. But we have not become desensitized to the ridiculous cost, or even less than ridiculous cost of a [quasi?] matched center. So, I would suggest that spending $55K on a center makes sense in context *or* that our mind is trying to tell us that the main speakers that match it should be causing our mind to become numbed as well.

The Revel Voice2 is the same cost as a Studio2 because it is essentially the same speaker. Same with the big B&W center. To me, it makes sense and should scale as the price goes up. As I said, when the center becomes too expensive to us, maybe we should more carefully evaluate the speakers that the center is designed to match.
post #37 of 313
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

I think it is a matter of perception. I would say $220K for a pair of speakers is equally mind numbing, but I would expect to pay $55K for a compact center channel to match or even $110K if it were a driver for driver match.

I think we have become desensitized to the ridiculous cost of flagship speakers. But we have not become desensitized to the ridiculous cost, or even less than ridiculous cost of a [quasi?] matched center. So, I would suggest that spending $55K on a center makes sense in context *or* that our mind is trying to tell us that the main speakers that match it should be causing our mind to become numbed as well.

Your assumption that the center channel can only do its job well if a in the same ball park of money as the more important L and R speakers is problematic. This center is limited freq range and would do mainly dialog. Doing dialog well for the less than pristine movie soundtracks is not that costly. But as a 'cost no object' system, it is what it is.. I just think it is a gluttonous proposition.
post #38 of 313
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

Your assumption that the center channel can only do its job well if a in the same ball park of money as the more important L and R speakers is problematic. This center is limited freq range and would do mainly dialog. Doing dialog well for the less than pristine movie soundtracks is not that costly.

Well, DD/DTS are all full bandwidth systems and the center is not limited to just dialog. In fact, it is said that ~80% of all the sound in movie comes from it. As I said, even if you factor out the bass reproduction, the center, if all this is simply based on cost to produce, should cost ~12.5%-25% of the cost of the tower speakers. So, if you have $100K speakers, expect to pay $12,500 to $25K for a bass-deprived center and $50K for a full range center. Now, some towers probably have extreme profit margins and the center has a lower profit margin and/or parts quality and maybe you could end up with a $5K-$10K center. I don't differentiate between music and movies as far as what deserves more money. Some people love movies and will do anything to improve the experience.
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But as a 'cost no object' system, it is what it is.. I just think it is a gluttonous proposition.

Most of high-end is a gluttonous proposition. I like great sound and video, but at the point where the quality is all about splitting hairs, I'd rather take the less expensive option and donate some of the savings to charity. I don't need expensive stuff to enjoy music and movies. I'm just saying that a $55K center shouldn't just get your spidey-sense tingling over the center speaker, but over everything connected with it.

Which makes me wonder why the government isn't bailing out the high-end industry.......
post #39 of 313
I think we can agree to disagree on this one...
post #40 of 313
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I think we can agree to disagree on this one...

I think we agree, maybe, I just think you are thinking in absolute terms and I'm thinking in relative terms. Unless you're simply expressing the idea that center speakers are relatively unimportant in terms of quality and matching and I assume you're not since you have a dedicated theater.

Besides, what price being able to say "Ah, but I own the Kharma Graou Exkeeeeeseeeet"
post #41 of 313
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I think we can agree to disagree on this one...

Jeff.... I agree with you that we both disagree with him.
post #42 of 313
My views on High End Audio pricing are known, suffice to say I am more and more dissatisfied...
To come back to 'Max point I am not certain the Kharma are the last word when it comes to play very loud.. Loud, they are fine, very loud? They weren't designed for this purpose. You would do well to look in the better Pro "monitor" such as ATC, Genelec, Meyer and Yes, Dynaudio .. They all offer active speakers capable of those SPL with a level of quality approaching or in some cases surpassing several High End Audio offerings...
On the subject of subwoofer.. Why don't you try an Infinite Baffle with something like eight (8) 18 inch Aura subwoofers. (about $1K or less each ). The Infinite Baffle itself would support both the Aura woofers , say from 10 to 80 Hz flat at 130 dB with amplifier-like THD (<1%, something NO, really NO boxed commercial subwoofer is capable of, at ANY price!) and add to that a fan woofer for lower than that... You may have to reinforce the house structure but hey! that is a small price to pay for perfection
post #43 of 313
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn View Post

Jeff.... I agree with you that we both disagree with him.

You haven't stated how you disagree with me. Yes, $55K is outrageous for a center by most any mortal's standards, but in context with speakers that cost, what, $300K, it at least makes sense and is a drop in the bucket for people with that much money. If you make $5M/year, it's like spending $500 for a center. A lot of bailed out banking officials could buy the Exquisite system without even batting an eyelid. It doesn't make it sane, but what is sane right now? I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone. I'm pretty sure Jeff and I agree on the porkulus bill and everything surrounding it.
post #44 of 313
I thought Cmax did the Dynaudios because they would play so loud. I do recall mentioning that this would not be the last word in dynamics because of the first order crossovers though Too bad NHT's professional digital active system was aborted. 120dB output and effortless, with dual 12" woofers per speaker. I heard it once at CES and it was amazing. But it was ugly and needed to be hidden. Steep crossovers do wonders for high output.
post #45 of 313
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

You haven't stated how you disagree with me. Yes, $55K is outrageous for a center by most any mortal's standards, but in context with speakers that cost, what, $300K, it at least makes sense and is a drop in the bucket for people with that much money. If you make $5M/year, it's like spending $500 for a center.

I think you missed mine (and OB's point). He doesn't need me to speak for him, but yes it is a large amount of money, but to use a different kind of analogy, what if the valet at my favorite restaurants started charging $100 to park my car (10X the typical price). Yes, I could certainly afford to pay it each week and it wouldn't change my life..... But would I pay it?? Absolutely not.. I'd park it myself (or find a different restaurant). Any service (or piece of mechandise) has an ultimate monetary 'value' that is relative to what it ultimately does. To pay $100 to park a car a few feet from the door is ludicrous. To pay $55K for a center channel is right there with the valet analogy... A $55K center channel is simply out of whack in terms of the price charged for its designed task.


...and yes, spending $1 trillion the way it is slated to be spent to help 'stimulate' our economy is another ludicrous fallacy.
post #46 of 313
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I think you missed mine (and OB's point). He doesn't need me to speak for him, but yes it is a large amount of money, but to use a different kind of analogy, what if the valet at my favorite restaurants started charging $100 to park my car (10X the typical price). Yes, I could certainly afford to pay it each week and it wouldn't change my life..... But would I pay it?? Absolutely not.. I'd park it myself (or find a different restaurant). Any service (or piece of mechandise) has an ultimate monetary 'value' that is relative to what it ultimately does. To pay $100 to park a car a few feet from the door is ludicrous. To pay $55K for a center channel is right there with the valet analogy... A $55K center channel is simply out of whack in terms of the price charged for its designed task.

I agree, but someone will pay it, so it's not entirely out of whack. My only point was that it makes sense to have a $55K center with speakers that cost $150K each. Well, you know, kinda I mean, to me, $300K for a pair of speakers is equally absurd. I guess that's the difference, maybe, that you're okay with ridiculously overpriced speakers, just not ridiculously (but equally) overpriced centers. To me, the center makes you realize how overpriced the mains are.

Well, let me put it this way, as I have in the past. Take a $150K speaker. About $50K is the 'monitor' part and $100K is the 'subwoofer' part. No one in their right mind would spend $50K for monitor speakers and a $100K for passive subs if it had the exact same performance of a $150K/pr speaker. But if you build it into a tower form factor, suddenly it is sellable. Why? Because people have become desensitized to that kind of expense. But when you look at it as a sub/sat speaker, you realize quickly how absurd it is, just as, if you take out the woofers and make a center channel for the same basic price as the top half of the speaker, it shines a spotlight on the absurdity.

So, I didn't miss the point as much as I don't understand what seems to be a total contradiction between the value of a L/R speaker versus the value of a center which is designed to match and keep up with the other two speakers. I believe in equal quality/matching across the front. Just not at that extreme of a price. You could argue that having $150K/pr or $300k/pr tower speakers in 5.1 system is really absurd, especially when you have subs, especially when you can't get matched center/rears inexpensively or at all. Best to put them in another room and have a more affordable, but perfectly matched multi-channel system.
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...and yes, spending $1 trillion the way it is slated to be spent to help 'stimulate' our economy is another ludicrous fallacy.

Amen. A 4-6 month SS/Income tax holiday would have been 10 times as effective, 10 times more quickly, but wouldn't have grown government. Well, maybe I mean 'effective' versus 'disastrously stupid'

As an aside, the marketing purpose for building a flagship product that is 2-3 times the next product down is two fold - one, some people will buy it for the exclusivity and high price and two, it desensitizes people to the otherwise ridiculous price of the next product down in the food chain. Well, it also gets a lot of press when you have that kind of balls
post #47 of 313
100$ for valet would be ridiculous at your average 5 star la de dah restaurant.

however at french laundry... maybe not so much.
post #48 of 313
Down on Central Ave, they have a type of valet parking that costs ~$100. Or so I've heard
post #49 of 313
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

Down on Central Ave, they have a type of valet parking that costs ~$100. Or so I've heard


.... and there is an audio company that charges $55,000 for a center channel.....Or so I've heard.
post #50 of 313
however we all have our BS line that we cannot easily cross.

we may be willing to pay loads of money on something... but there is a line where we look at it and say... "that is too much %^$*#*( money. not gonna do it.

for some that line is higher than others and it is not directly tied to net worth. and even some areas we can spend stupid but some other be incredibly cheap.
post #51 of 313
I had a guy pull up in a Jaguar and dressed like he was a CEO and he asked me how much an entry level stereo system for his living room would cost. I said "about $1000" figuring he'd want far better than that and he said 'that's ridiculous, I'm not paying that much for a stereo' and he stormed out. I've got dozens and dozens of stories like that. I think people need to have balance in their lives. I'm a beer budget/champagne taste guy and apply that to all areas of my life. Cars, clothes, stereo gear, etc.

But hey, this is the $20K forum, so only one of us is making sense right now in context and is especially ironic that I'm the one rationalizing the $55K center But I'm rationalizing it this way - IF it truly costs $300K to build and sell speakers of this caliber (or if people are just willing to pay it), THEN it stands to reason that the center would cost $55K simply because of how the numbers break out (or because those customers might expect to pay it). I never expected anyone to accept it as a sane *purchase* It would be like me trying to buy a space shuttle as a commuter vehicle.
post #52 of 313
Me I would love to here it to see is it Worth the $$$$.
post #53 of 313
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Originally Posted by Dizzman View Post

however we all have our BS line that we cannot easily cross.

we may be willing to pay loads of money on something... but there is a line where we look at it and say... "that is too much %^$*#*( money. not gonna do it.

for some that line is higher than others and it is not directly tied to net worth. and even some areas we can spend stupid but some other be incredibly cheap.

Agreed! 100%.. Alimentall point however is worth considering... if the center channel in a multichannel anyway, has to reproduce close to 80% of the total sonic content then it should occupy a similar or proportional percentage of the total budget allocated to speakers, since the L+R are not even by their two-some doing half as much work... Look at it this way in regular 2-channel each speakers work half the load so a 200 K speaker runs about 100 per side, well adding the most important speaker in a LCR.... 50 K for 80% of the work is a relative bargain... but current price of several High End Audio items have already exceeded my BS threshold so...
post #54 of 313
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I think we can agree to disagree on this one...

I must say that I actually agree with John on this one (don't know if I'll ever get to say that again ). The centre channel is responsible for the lion's share of the sound - some say 80%. I went with a "full-range" centre-channel with essentially the same driver complement as the mains and it did cost nearly the same as 1 speaker.
post #55 of 313
Thread Starter 
I found this in another blog...

$200,000 or more (13 speakers)
$100,000 or more (32 speakers)
$50,000 or more (83 speakers)
$25,000 or more (157 speakers)
$10,000 or more (275 speakers)

If anybody thinks you've spent too much money on your audio system just show them this list.

I wonder who'll be the first to cross the $2 million dollar barrier? Any bets on how long it'll take?

MEGABUCK LIST*

California Audio Tech Yosemite-Sequoia $1,275,000
Wisdom Audio nfinite Wisdom Grande $700,000
Gamut LOpera $450,000
German Physics Gaudi MK2C $360,000
Magico Ultimate $329,000
Wisdom Audio Infinite Wisdom $300,000
German Physiks Emperor C $279,000
Acapella Audio Arts Spharon Excalibur $361,000
Perfect8 Force $277,000
Marten Design Coltrane Supreme $250,000
Wisdom Audio Infinite Rush $250,000
German Physiks Lorrley C $226,000
German Physiks Loreley Mk II $200,000
Avantgarde Trio Classico w/2 Basshorns $189,000
Rockport Arrakis $165,000
Genesis Adv Tech G1.1 $165,000
Peak-Consult Emperor MK2 $160,000
Von Schweikert VR11 SE $150,000
Lyngdorf-Steinway Model D system $150,000
Cabasse Le Sphere $150,000
Westlake Tower SM-1 $146,000
Nola Grand Reference IV.1 $145,000
KEF Muon $140,000
Wilson Audio Alexandria $139,000
California Audio Tech Trinity Sequoia $130,000
German Physics PSQ 420C $130,000
Tenner & Friedl Duke $125,000
Magico Model 6 $120,000
Westlake SM-1VF $120,000
Avalon Acoustics Sentinel $115,000
Siltech Pantheon XL $110,000
Eggleston Works Ivy $100,000
MBL 101E $97,000
Audio Acoustics Sapphire TI-C SE $96,000
Wisdom Audio Rush $95,000
Rockport Hyperion $92,000
YG Acoustics Anat Reference Pro $92,000
Dynaudio Evidence Master $90,000
Symposium Acoustics Panorama $90,000
Focal Grand Utopia BE $90,000
McIntosh XRT2K $90,000
Acapella Audio Arts High Campanile $89,000
Sunny Cable H3W18 Majestic $88,000
PBN Audio Master Reference $85,000
Montana KAS2 $85,000
Von Schweikert VR10 Mk2 $85,000
Verity Lohengren II $80,000
Gamut L9 $77,000
Rockport Altair $75,000
Peak Consult El Diablo $75,000
Von Schweikert VR9 SE $75,000
Avantgarde Trio Compact w/Basshorn $72,000
Calix Signature Phoenix Grand $70,000
Burmester B-100 $70,000
Goldmund Epilogue $66,000
Audio Physic Kronos $65,000
Von Schweikert VR-7 SE $65,000
Avalon Acoustics Isis $62,000
B&W Nautilus $60,000
Marten Design Coltrane $60,000
Meridian DSP8000 $60,000
Loiminchay Mandarin Supreme $60,000
Nola Pegasus Reference Extreme $60,000
Peak Consult Emperor Mk2 $60,000
JBL DD66000 $60,000
YG Acoustics Anat Reference Studio $60,000
Montana WAS $60,000
Westlake Tower HR7 $59,000
ClaraVox Dogma $59,000
Genesis Adv Tech G201 $57,000
Sunny Cable H3W155 $56,000
Venture Excellence $56,000
Wisdom Audio M75 $55,000
Hansen Audio King $55,000
Krell LAT1000 $55,000
Siltech Pantheon X $55,000
MBL 111E $52,000
Marten Design Coltrane $50,000
Dali Megaline 3 $50,000
MBL 101E $50,000
Adam Tenor Alpha $50,000
Evolution Acoustics MM2 $50,000
California Audio Tech Malibu-Pacific $49,000
Wilson Audio MAXX 2 $45,000
Cabasse Karissma $48,000
Opera Caruso $48,000
Linn Komri $47,000
Pass Rushmore $45,000
Ascendo M-S Mk 2 $45,000
Kharma Mini Exquisite $45,000
Sonus Faber Stradivari Homage $45,000
Kinetic Audio Priority $45,000
Swans 2.2 $44,000
Legacy Audio Helix $44,000
Scaena Model 3.2 $44,000
A.R.T. Emotion Silver Signature $44,000
Linn Artikulat 350A $43,000
MBL 116 $40,000
Burmester B-80 $40,000
Dynaudio Evidence Temptation $40,000
Focal Nova Utopia Be $40,000
ESP Concert Grand SI $40,000
Peak Consult Zoltan $40,000
Nova Evolution 2 $39,000
Eggelston Works Savoy $39,000
Piega C-40 $39,000
Verity Audio Sarastro 2 $39,000
Focal Nove Utopia Be $38,000
YG Acoustics Kipod Studio $38,000
Montana EPX $37,000
Triangle Magellen $36,000
Acoustic Zen Maestro $36,000
Wisdom Audio M50 $35,000
Talon Firebird $35,000
Loiminchay Patrick.3 $35,000
Kinetic Audio Nonparaeil $35,000
Sound Lab U1PX $35,000
Snell Acoustics Illusion A7 $35,000
Avalon Acoustics Eidolon Diamond $34,000
Kharma Mini-Grand Ceramique $34,000
Von schweikert VR-7 SE $34,000
Gersham Acoustics Black Swan $33,000
Tannoy Westminster Royal $33,000
Wilson Benesch Chimera $33,000
Tetra 606 $33,000
Calix Academy Phoenix Grand $33,000
Silverline Audio Grande La Folia $32,000
Tenner & Friedl Gordon $32,000
Verastarr Epic $32,000
Wilson Audio Watt/Puppy 8 $31,000
Focus Audio Master 2 $31,000
Kinetic Audio Inclusive $30,000
Kinetic Audio Standard $30,000
JBL K2 S9800SE-DG $30,000
Peak Consult Empress $30,000
Proac Response D100 $30,000
Adam Tensor Beta $30,000
Sonus Faber Amati Anniversario $30,000
Meridiean DSP-7000 $30,000
Canton Vento Reference 1DC $30,000
Aurum Acoustics Integris Active 300B $30,000
Rockport Mira Grand $30,000
Audio Physic Caldera 30,000
Magico Mini II $30,000
ATC SCM 150 ALS $29,000
Montana XPS Signature $29,000
PBN Audio KAS $28,000
Wilson Audio Watt/Puppy 8 $28,000
Piega CL90 $28,000
YG Acoustics Anat Ref Main Module $28,000
Kharma 3.2FE Reference $28,000
MBL 111e $27,000
Sound Organization Chimera $26,000
JAS Plato $26,000
Proclaim DMT-100 $26,000
Sound Lab A1-PX $26,000
Linn Artikulat 320A $25,000
Kinetic Audio Ethereal $25,000
Burmester B-50 $25,000
Siltech Pantheon M $25,000
Magico V3 $25,000
Focus Audio Master 3 $25,000
Von Schweikert VR-5 $25,000
Fried Reference $25,000
ATC SCM 100 ALS $25,000
Kinetic Audio Trapezium $25,000
Polymer Audio Logic $25,000
Joseph Audio Pearl $24,000
Arial Acoustics 20T $24,000
NEAT Ultimatum MF9 $23,000
Meridiean DSP6000 $23,000
Sound Lab M1 $23,000
Vivid K1 $23,000
Revel Salon II $22,000
Coincident Total Reference $22,000
Sonus Faber Amati Homage $22,000
MBL 116 $22,000
Nova Rendition 2 $22,000
Usher D2 $22,000
Focus Audio Master 3 $22,000
Sonus Faber Cremona Elipsa $21,000
Kharma Ceramique Ref 3.2 $21,000
Opera Tebaldi $21,000
Inetic Audio Refined $21,000
Triangle Magellen Concerto $20,000
Peak-Consult INcognitoX $20,000
Focus Audio Master 2.5 $20,000
Loiminchay Patrick.2 $20,000
B&W 800D $20,000
Verity Audio Parsifal Ovation $20,000
Innersound Kaya Reference $20,000
Meridian DSP-5000 $20,000
KEF 207/2 $20,000
Avantgarde Uno 3.0 $19,000
Lyngdorf 2+2 active system $19,000
McIntosh XRT28 $19,000
Sound Lab A3-PX $19,000
Shahinian Acoustics Diapason $19,000
A.R.T. Emotion Signature $19,000
Escalante Designs Fremont $19,000
Focal Alto Utopia Be $19,000
Eggleston Andra II $19,000
Eben X-3 $19,000
Wilson Benesch ACT $19,000
Ayon Falcon S $18,000
B&W Signature Diamond $18,000
Avalon Acoustics Eidolon Vision $18,000
NEAT Ultimatum MF7 $18,000
Proac Response D80 $18,000
PBN Montana $18,000
Dynaudio Confidence C4 $18,000
Green Mt. Audio Continuum 3 $17,000
Vandersteen 5A $17,000
Gamut L7 $17,000
Linn Artikulat 340A $17,000
O'hEocha D2-XCT $17,000
Verity Parsifal $17,000
Silverline Audio Grandeur Mk 3 $16,000
Studio Electric Type Two $16,000
Sound Lab M2 $16,000
Auditorium 23 Rondo $16,000
Revel Ultima Studio 2 $16,000
B&W 801D $16,000
B&O BeoLab5 $16,000
Revel Ultima Studio 2 $16,000
Legacy Audio Whisper $16,000
Snell XA 2900 15,000
Audio Physic Avanti 5 $15,000
Meridian DSP-5500 $15,000
Montana XP $15,000
Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento $15,000
Jamo R909 $15,000
Talon Thunder $15,000
RBH T-30LSE $15,000
Burmester 961 $15,000
Avantgarde Nano Horn $15,000
Devore Fidelity Silverback Reference $15,000
Wilson Audio Sophia 2 $14,000
Vivid B1 $14,000
Calix Venus Phoenix Grand $14,000
Art of Sound Line Array Tower $14,000
Krell LAT2000 $14,000
Rockport Mira $14,000
Magnepan MG 20.1 $13,000
Gersham Acoustic GAP 828 $13,000
Burmester B-30 $13,000
AAD 7001 $13,000
Focal Diva Utopia Be $12,000
B&W 802D $12,000
MBL 121 $12,000
Peak-Consult Princess $12,000
Quad ESL2805 $12,000
Shahinian Acoustics Hawk $12,000
Alon Circe $12,000
Dynaudio Confidence C2 $12,000
Meadowlark Blue Heron 2 $12,000
Nola Viper Reference $12,000
Totem Shaman $12,000
Revox 3.6 Digital $12,000
Gamut L5 $2,000
Usher Dancer CP-8871 Mk1 $12,000
Vandersteen Quatro Wood $12,000
Linn Akurate $11,000
Naim SL2 $11,000
Vienna Acoustic Mahler $11,000
Arial Acoustics Model 9 $11,000
KEF Reference 205/2 $11,000
Cabasse Baltic $11,000
Harbeth Monitor 40 $11,000
Merlin VSM mx $11,000
Focal Electra 1037 Be $11,000
Meridian DSP-5200 $11,000
Martin Logan Summit $11,000
Zu Audio Definition Mk 2 $11,000
Green Mt. Audio Calypso $10,000
Montana EPX $10,000
Tannoy Kesington-Prestige $10,000
Revel Ultima Gem 2 $10,000
Final 1000i ST $10,000
Thiel CS3.7 $10,000
Opera Callas Divina $10,000
Eggleston Works Rosa $10,000
Sonus Faber Cremona $10,000
Wilson Benesch Trinity $10,000
Lyngdorf DP-1/BW-1 $9,400
Quad ESL-2805 $9,000
Quad ESL-989 $9,000
post #56 of 313
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

MEGABUCK LIST*

California Audio Tech Yosemite-Sequoia $1,275,000
Wisdom Audio Infinite Wisdom Grande $700,000

Oh dear!
post #57 of 313
Thread Starter 
These use the old $3,500 hand built Esotar from the Confidence three IN EVERY SPEAKER.


$100,000

$9 000.00

But for more beefier centre I would use the nine
$30,000

Or an Andra II



Then for surrounds the katherine II's are 4" deep $9,300pr.


For an Esotar Lover like me, who needs D'appolito mains this would work, unless tha Ivy's have a backfiring tweeter?

Is this more reasonable to you Doctor?
post #58 of 313
Thread Starter 
These use the old $3,500 hand built Esotar from the Confidence three IN EVERY SPEAKER.


$100,000

$9 000.00

But for more beefier centre I would use the nine
$30,000

Or an Andra II



Then for surrounds the katherine II's are 4" deep $9,300pr.


For an Esotar Lover like me, who needs D'appolito mains this would work, unless tha Ivy's have a backfiring tweeter?

Is this more reasonable to you Doctor? Of course they do not look that great but I would hide them behind speaker FABRIC.

Like so.
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Peter,
Why are you searching for ugly speakers? I'm sure you can find some graceful speakers fulfilling all your requirements and at the same time complement your fantastic HTs.
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Ther is nothing uglier than a Dynaudio confidence 4, yet they sound terrific up to 107 db, where they start to break up in a dignified manner; ven on corners without EQ, and behind walls of speaker fabric. You may say that is a non non but even the largest Genelec rep in the country said that is the best center channel he has heard. The c4. Also see Steve Haas critique.

The Eggleston need a curtain in front of them. That is for sure. But they have a very flexible semi expensive high performance on/inwall solution that I could modularize in Goldmund Fashion with a metal frame:




Remember that I have 12 channels to play with.
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