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post #1021 of 2724
I ordered from BLT on 1/08 got the sub on 3/05. So two months isn't uncommon. They don't charge the card until it ships so no reason not to unless you can find something better for cheaper and sooner, which I couldn't. I have been watching it like a hawk and BLT has sold 300-500 of the F12's in the last couple of months.
post #1022 of 2724
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Originally Posted by jdwksu View Post

I ordered from BLT on 1/08 got the sub on 3/05. So two months isn't uncommon. They don't charge the card until it ships so no reason not to unless you can find something better for cheaper and sooner, which I couldn't. I have been watching it like a hawk and BLT has sold 300-500 of the F12's in the last couple of months.

I guess you're right. Just sick of the POS 10" Sony I have. Do plan on running dual subs though. VERY EXCITED about that
post #1023 of 2724
For you guys looking to get the F12 right away, have you checked into the site that member Todd Lee put up on page 33?
post #1024 of 2724
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

For you guys looking to get the F12 right away, have you checked into the site that member Todd Lee put up on page 33?

Thank you so much! Just cancelled my order with BLT and ordered through this place. $20 extra for shipping but at least I don't have to wait a month!

Thank You Again!
post #1025 of 2724
Cool. I was wondering what shipping was like from there (it may have already been mentioned IDK)
post #1026 of 2724
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Originally Posted by jtrane25 View Post

Thank you so much! Just cancelled my order with BLT and ordered through this place. $20 extra for shipping but at least I don't have to wait a month!

Thank You Again!

That's still a reasonable price for the F-12, and it beats Amazon's crazy price that's for sure.

I hope you love your new F-12, as much as I love mine.
post #1027 of 2724
I did exactly that. I'm going to wait till I get a shipping notice and then cancel BLT. I saw that deliveries were pushed out till April.

Saving $20.00 is not worth a whole month in waiting.
post #1028 of 2724
I was just offered the H100 instead of the F12 for exactly the same price. Should I take it or is the F12 a better sub than the H100?
post #1029 of 2724
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Originally Posted by RaginBajin View Post

I was just offered the H100 instead of the F12 for exactly the same price. Should I take it or is the F12 a better sub than the H100?

I would take the H100, on looks and I think it is available. But I have heard neither and seen neither, so take what I say with a block of salt.
post #1030 of 2724
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Originally Posted by RaginBajin View Post

I was just offered the H100 instead of the F12 for exactly the same price. Should I take it or is the F12 a better sub than the H100?

H100 has a higher WAF, but F12 has better warranty.
post #1031 of 2724
Ha! Ok.. If I think WAF means "Wife Acceptance Factor", then H100 it is.
post #1032 of 2724
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Originally Posted by RaginBajin View Post

Ha! Ok.. If I think WAF means "Wife Acceptance Factor", then H100 it is.

It does mean Wife Acceptance Factor.
post #1033 of 2724
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Originally Posted by RaginBajin View Post

I was just offered the H100 instead of the F12 for exactly the same price. Should I take it or is the F12 a better sub than the H100?

I thought about getting the h100 for a little cheaper than the f12, but I prefer the f12's warranty.
post #1034 of 2724
i'm just curious, with the rear vent, could placing the rear of it too close to a wall be a problem? and if so, what is a good recommendation as far as distance away from a wall goes?
post #1035 of 2724
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Originally Posted by RaginBajin View Post

Ha! Ok.. If I think WAF means "Wife Acceptance Factor", then H100 it is.

So thats how audiophiles choose their equipment, based on what their wife thinks...!? WTF kind of crap is that?

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Originally Posted by FIVE ONE SIX View Post

i'm just curious, with the rear vent, could placing the rear of it too close to a wall be a problem? and if so, what is a good recommendation as far as distance away from a wall goes?

Yes, too close to the wall with the port will be bad, would make any sub with a rear port boomy. I would say a foot at the least, if you have to be that close then some acoustical type of material would help. I have mine about 2 feet maybe a bit more from the wall and a small pillow that does not show is on the floor behind it, it's filled with fibrefill. Put it where you want it, see how it sounds and mess around with placement till it sounds good to your ear.
post #1036 of 2724
How much better is the PL-200 than the F-12?
post #1037 of 2724
The PL-200 thread has last entry on February 22. Individuals consider it better than the F12 and H100.

It may be available for around $320.

Both the HSU STF-2 (now around $390 shipped) and the eD A2-300 (now $415 shipped) are considered clearly better than the F12 and H100. Last week both were on sale around $360.
post #1038 of 2724
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Originally Posted by Todd Lee View Post

True to my word, I'm posting an update now that my BIL has his sub. (even though everybody seems to have skipped right over my post)

We hooked it up tonight. He had an 8" yamaha sub that came with a 5.1 speaker set for $100. Although his sub sucked, I was nervous today to hear if he liked the F12 or not. He bought it sight unseen, based off of my recommendation, which I also made sight unseen.

I have an SVS PB12-nsd, and he wanted a sub that he could "feel in his chest", like my sub. I knew that was going to be a tall order for him, his max budget was $300, and I knew that if he could spend less, he would be thrilled. Ergo my recommendatin for the $200 BIC.

We spent a few minutes calibrating his system with my radio shack spl meter, and AVIA disk. We didn't do a ton of fine tuning, I had a limited amount of time to spend with him tonight.

We set the receiver crossover at 80 Hz, all speakers to small, and dialed the gain on the sub to around the 10'oclock position.

We ran the sub a little hot, with his onkyo 506 (i think) sub gain at 0.
First impressions were decent, he enjoyed the upgrade from the 8" yamaha, I was relieved. The sub gets down to around 30 hz, then drops off to pretty much nothing. It also has a bit of a null around 71-72 hz, but picks up nice and strong right at 70hz. I'm sure this is caused by his room which is rather large. it's a big family room in his basement, with attached office and a doorless stairway that leads up to his main floor. (kitchen/dining room, living room, etc..) So, basically, the entire house would have to be pressurized.

I don't have the equipment or know how to use REW, or graph this out or anything. I plopped in one of my kids favorite demo 'scenes' to get a quick feel for the sub. It's the THX intro with the mechanical plants. With my SVS, the mushroom's are insane, I think that's what stood out for my BIL. With the F12, unfortunately the mushrooms were none existant. He did like the Horn shaped plant near the end of the THX intro. It blares loud and low for an exstended amount of time. That brought a smile to his face! (and I wiped the sweat from my brow too)

To make a long story short, too late, the F12 doesn't touch the PB12nsd, but we knew it wouldn't. It did do quite well for the $200 that it cost. We didn't try any music, but I'm sure we will soon. Music takes a back seat for him, so I didn't worry about that too much.

There is one disappointing thing about the sub, the grill rattles when the sub digs deep. We noticed it immediately, and played around until we could figure out where it was coming from. Once the grill was pulled off, the buzz disappeared. He is going to get some type of felt or something to stick on the wood surface, the buzz comes from the wood grill laying on the wood sub box.
Edit: The rattling isn't coming from where we thought it was. The grill fabric isn't glued on to the back of the grill in a small area. The noise is the cloth vibrating back and forth, flapping in the wind, if you will. He is going to call BIC, see what they recommend doing. If nothing, then he'll try glueing it himself.

Hope that info helps.

I should mention, we didn't do the sub crawl, or experiment with location at all. We may down the road, but for the time being, he's ok with it where it is, just below his screen, to the right of his center speaker and equipment. I'll get a picture soon, and post it here later on. (if anybody cares)

Edit- Volume 2:

My brother-in-law contacted BIC, they are sending him another grill. I'll post another update once he receives it.
post #1039 of 2724
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Originally Posted by FIVE ONE SIX View Post

i'm just curious, with the rear vent, could placing the rear of it too close to a wall be a problem? and if so, what is a good recommendation as far as distance away from a wall goes?

Any sub can sound bloated or whatever you want to call it, when placed against a wall. The amount of room you want to leave for a port depends on the room, and the size of the port. With the BIC's even 4 inches is more then enough. But again it as more to deal with the room then being ported in the rear of the sub.
post #1040 of 2724
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Originally Posted by RaginBajin View Post

Ha! Ok.. If I think WAF means "Wife Acceptance Factor", then H100 it is.

Did you get your H100/F12 yet, or did they ship it out yet?
post #1041 of 2724
Just canceled my order from shopblt. Was going to go with a a2-300, but I hate the wait (plus the price is higher now). Might order the f12 from the other place.

the pl-200 is looking good too, but think its overkill for me. The 22hz looks nice, but my room is only 12x10x8
post #1042 of 2724
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Originally Posted by boxker View Post

I ordered two from them last Saturday for 392 shipped. When I ordered the site said that they had them in stock on Tuesday, I emailed them asking if the item had shipped or not they emailed me back and said that they were out of stock and expected a new shipment that very day I emailed them and would shipped out to me the same day.

The next day I still didn't have any information on whether they had shipped or not, so I emailed again. I was told that they didn't get the shipment as expected. I informed them that their website had the item listed as in stock and I asked them if they had any Idea when they will get their shipment cause if it was longer than I week I may want to cancel the order. They said that they were expecting a new shipment any day now and I was offered a 3% discount for the delay. I did not cancel, hoping that they get a new shipment soon. They are in OH and I am in Michigan so when they ship out the subs I will get it the very next day. I check today and still no notification .

Well, I didn't get my two F12's I talked to GDI inquiring about how long it before they would be able to fulfill my order and they said that the factory would not be able to supply them with any F12's anytime soon. They told me that they were Authorized to give me to H-100s in place of the F12s. I just got them yesterday. So I guess I have to leave this forum and find the H-100. has been good reading all of your posts.
post #1043 of 2724
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Originally Posted by SRR View Post

Did you get your H100/F12 yet, or did they ship it out yet?

Yeah just got it today. It shipped yesterday out of PA and was delivered this morning to me. It was one of the quickest deliveries I have ever seen.

Trying to set it up now.
post #1044 of 2724
I just canceled my order from ShopBLT. I was given an ETA of 2/28, then pushed to 3/9 and now pushed to 4/19. Not going to wait that long for a sub.
post #1045 of 2724
Here is another BIC question. I think I'm still wanting the PL-200, but I keep looking at the price of the PL-200 vs the F12. On paper, the specs don't quite seem worth the extra $130 ($200 shipped vs $320). At the same time the PL had more than double the peak output on a better amp, better finish/looks and better driver. I'm really torn. Do you think the PL-200 would be worth the extra $. Has anybody here actually heard both in person? This sub decision is really quite stressful.
post #1046 of 2724
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Originally Posted by Samsung-Guy View Post

Here is another BIC question. I think I'm still wanting the PL-200, but I keep looking at the price of the PL-200 vs the F12. On paper, the specs don't quite seem worth the extra $130 ($200 shipped vs $320). At the same time the PL had more than double the peak output on a better amp, better finish/looks and better driver. I'm really torn. Do you think the PL-200 would be worth the extra $. Has anybody here actually heard both in person? This sub decision is really quite stressful.

If you have the extra money, I'd say spend it. There is no such thing as "too much sub". If you go for the cheaper one, you will always be wondering "what if". I never ever hear anyone say "I made a mistake - I should have gotten a cheaper/smaller/weaker sub".
post #1047 of 2724
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Originally Posted by Pete7874 View Post

If you have the extra money, I'd say spend it. There is no such thing as "too much sub". If you go for the cheaper one, you will always be wondering "what if".

Yeah I know. No matter what I buy, I will still give myself a hard time with the "what if" factor. I always do with every purchase. Like "what if the extra $20 and 3 month wait for the A2-300 would have been worth it?", or "what if I would have been as happy with the F12 for $130 less". I wish there was more out there about the PL-200. Finding good information is tough, almost like no one is buying it (I hope that isn't a sign of something other than tough competition).
post #1048 of 2724
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Originally Posted by Samsung-Guy View Post

Yeah I know. No matter what I buy, I will still give myself a hard time with the "what if" factor. I always do with every purchase. Like "what if the extra $20 and 3 month wait for the A2-300 would have been worth it?", or "what if I would have been as happy with the F12 for $130 less". I wish there was more out there about the PL-200. Finding good information is tough, almost like no one is buying it (I hope that isn't a sign of something other than tough competition).

I was wanting the pl200, but the lack of information led me to get the h100. It would have been the f12, but I got sick of waiting for it.

I wish I would have ordered the a2-300 a month ago.
post #1049 of 2724
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Originally Posted by zamac_man View Post

I wish I would have ordered the a2-300 a month ago.

You would still be waiting at least another month, maybe two The ridiculously long wait (even though on the eD thread I supported them by saying good things come to those who wait) along with a lot of bad stories I have read about customer support, failed amps and apparent poor shipping packaging scared me off. It wouldn't be a big deal if it was an off the shelf part, but it seems like everything with them takes months. I'm not patient, especially if it's waiting on a part to repair something that failed prematurely. Not trying to talk bad about them, I may still do business with them in the future, but for now, I'll pass.
post #1050 of 2724
Cancelled my order today. Cant wait 5 weeks.
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