BIC America F12 sub anyone ? - Page 54

It's great to see so many new F12 owners this holiday season! I got my F12's last year around this time from BLT, and I'm still REALLY enjoying them. I'm sure all you new owners will be thrilled as well.

Don't confuse, it's no SVS! But it'll still put a big smile on your face for what you paid for it. =)

Just got mine yesterday......$189 shipped from amazon.....can't wait to play Call Of Duty: Black Ops

Mine is coming from Provantage on the 21st. It better be in tip-top condition!

My showed up yesterday. After a small mistake by Fedex that resulted in my subwoofer being sent to the wrong address (and that folks is why online tracking is a blessing) I got the problems corrected and my sub showed up. Unlike the first time this one was working, and I must say that I am impressed. I'm fully aware that this isn't the greatest subwoofer to grace the Earth; however I was pleased with the improved amount of bass over my old Sony Sub. I plan on really letting the thing lose on some movies this weekend, but my first impressions are that the F12 is going to really improve my overall sound.

Just ordered mine from BLT. I've held off buying it for quite sometime so I'm psyched about it. How long does shipping usually take from BLT? I see it's in the Pennsylvania warehouse and I'm in Mass.

Hope it comes before I leave on the 23rd!

Just got my F12 today from BLT ordered it on Wed,but I am in Pa. BLT is great with a real good price,good communication.
Bought a Yamaha RX-V1400 5-6 years ago never added a sub,had to do manual calibration,can't find the YPAO mic,I put it in a very safe place. I have crossover set at 60 right now, there is an Audioholics article on subs that says to set at least 10Hz higher than your mains bottom end,as opposed to just going with the 80Hz THX setting.
I guess I really never knew what I was missing from movies, put in T2 and was amazed, now I know what you are talking about when pictures move sideways on a wall. I have read the whole thread, so thanks to all.
Hey, I am 62 but this thing ROCKS.
Old Mike

I agree 100% and just ordered my 2nd. May be overkill for me personally but just knowing my needs and for under $400 for 2 12" subs I won't need anything more. I seen your set up(Very nice by the way) and noticed you had 2. I should be joining you in about a week or so

Are your risers bought or home made?

aKa DaSHiznit - I looked at your ht setup...looks pretty sharp and clean. I guess I could research it but I thought I go ahead and ask you about your panamax. What is it, how do you use it and how do you like it?

That Panamax is the M4300-PM its the lowest in the their line. It is a power conditioner/surge protector. You plug all of your equipment into the back of it and plug it into the wall. It had stage 2 power cleaning that is supposed to make sure your equipment gets good power. It is supposed to give you better picture and sound but I don't know about that. You would have to research dirty power cause I don't know enough myself to explain it to you.

It also monitors the incoming voltage and if it drops to low or raises to high it will shut off and of course is supposed to protect you from any surges. As you go higher up in the line you get more protection, more outlets on the back and higher stages of power cleaning among a few other features they add on for a premium. As you can see I do not really have anything crazy to protect, my receiver only puts out 65 or 70w a channel and the sub is only a 150w. Now say you had 2 giant 1000w subs a whole rack of av equipment, and a receiver that was 7.2 and pumped out over 100w per channel. You may need to go with one of the bigger, higher end power conditioners that have a higher level of joules protection. Again you may want to research it as it is too much to explain really.

I went with the 4300 cause it was the smallest and the higher end models were all over a foot deep. The 4300 is $300 at best buy so they aren't cheap and I was lucky to have my buddy get it for me for under $100. I could have go the the 5100 that is $400 for only $40 more but again had 3 reasons why I didn't.
1) Size the 5100 was over a foot deep
2) Didn't need the extra Outlets(5100 has 11 - 4300 has 9) nor the extra protection. If you look at my setup I was all bang for the buck all the way around and completely budget but I love it and it compares very favorably to my buddy's polk Tsi setup that he spent much much more on.
3) The 4300 has 8 outlets on the back one on the front. 4 are high current for Receivers, Subs, Amps, etc...The other 4 are Linear TV, DVD, DVR, etc...So I got my TV, 360, PS3, and DVR in one set of 4 and my receiver, F-12 and soon to be the 2nd F-12 in the high current set of 4. The 5100 and higher models all only offer 2 high current outlets for some reason, I am sure you could use the others if need be but I just liked the idea the 4300 had 4 of them considering I wanted to add a 2nd sub.

Ordered the F12. Should arrive on the 23rd. Not sure I need it. I have a polk PSW110 that sounds pretty good. I am curious to see how the BIC F12 compares.

Hey thanks aKa.

Me three. Mine is supposed to arrive on Tuesday from BLT, but I am away until the following Tuesday, so I won't have it set up and Audyssey run until probably a week from Wednesday.

This will bring my system to 11.2 surround (DSX). I have a Denon AVR-4311CI so I'm interested to see how it's two sub EQ performs.

How are all of you positioning the two subs? I've seen a lot of pictures with one sub near each L and R tower, but I've also heard to try them on opposite walls near opposite corners. This is what I'm gonna try... I currently have one behind me and slightly to the right, so I was thinking of putting the second in front of me off to the left.

I will be putting my 2nd mirrored of the 1st, in between the front right speaker and TV. My Denon receiver is only 5.1 but I am going to use a Y adapter at the back of the receiver.

just ordered two of these from BLT, never used that site before. Terrible looking website, hopefully their a legit company.

I shouldn't have waited.....
Able to find F-12 on Meijer website for $164.99 plus shipping. But then decided to shop some more and now I just checked the website again. They are out of stock now......

Might be 'renting' a cheap sub from Best Buy sometime this week.

On quick question, is a sub a huge improvement for my setup?
My room is only 8'x10' and currently I have:
Polk CS-2 for center,
Polk Monitor 40 for front,
Polk RM7 for surround.
I'm not trying to shake the whole house, so would F-12 be a bit overkill for my room? I already feel the CS-2 is way too big for my room atm.
Thanks

The CS2 is a great center and the M40's are fine for a small room. I'm running M40's in our bedroom without a sub and they work fine in that small of a room. Of course it's mostly TV and some movies in there. The 40's really don't have much bass (we don't really need thumping bass on the second floor) so you probably would want to add a sub at some point. The F12 would probably be okay... you won't be in a small room forever.

Got my F12 in last night and set it up and popped in the inception blu-ray. It sounded great! My wife says it is too big and ugly, so I am going to have to try and sell it locally (here in OKC if anyone is interested). I just put an order in for a Lava LSP08. Hopefully that is enough of a difference and will still put out some decent sound for my livingroom.

You mean for her living room. It's obviously not yours.

Hey Dwayne - I see this is your second post in four and a half years...
where you been hiding all this time?

Good one, LMAO. I wanted to say something about being whipped and so on but you never know how it's gonna go over on these threads. I just can't believe how many guys need to get wifey approval on stuff like this but I suppose most guys let thier wifey dress them too. You buy a sub, wifey don't like your new sub, you sell the sub, something wrong there.

I ordered my F12 for BLT on Friday and got it yesterday (Monday). Great shipping time during the holidays.

I calibrated it yesterday and did some fine tuning. I love the way it sounds; it really fills out my smallish (14x11) room.

A quick question on Audyssey setup: I know most people in this thread say to set the crossover at 80Hz. Audyssey set all of my speakers to full range and set the sub crossover at 100Hz.

That's a bit high for me so I dropped it down to 80Hz and I think I crossed over my surrounds at 80Hz as well. The reason I kept the fronts at full is because there will be times when I turn off the sub so as not to bother my roommate late at night (they are Polk Monitor 60s/CS10). And honestly it sounds really good where it is.

Any thoughts on if I'll benefit from setting up the crossover differently?

Hmmmm... I'm running M60's as well, and Audyssey always sets the crossover at 40Hz... I raise it to 80 and my new Klipsch handles that well. I can appreciate why you want to leave them full range, in addition to the reason you give... earlier this year when I had an F12 I set the Monitors to full range because the F12 did not handle music well (others here will undoubtedly dispute that, but that was my experience). Anyway, 100 Hz sounds too high for the M60's. Granted they don't have much bass but they are good down to 60Hz or so. I'd say set them to 80Hz as you have, leave them full range and see how well you like it.

Hmm, that's interesting. Thanks for your input. I did the Audyssey setup with the volume knob at 9 o'clock and the sub set to "Dolby Digital" so no crossover in on the sub side.

I ended up upping the volume slightly (2 to 3, 3.5). I also noticed in my AVR manual (Onkyo RC-160) that Audyssey does not set the the sub crossover, that is manually set and 100Hz is the default.

I'll keep things as is like I said before and see how it goes.

I remember the F12 volume needs to be set very low. That's one of the first questions I brought to the AVS forum.


That must be one of the differences between Onkyo and Denon. My Denon 790 does set the xover, but I felt it sets it too low.

Just ordered mine, amazon finally dropped the price under $200 again so I jumped on it

Any one know if the f12 would fit on the Sub Dude?

Sub dude dimensions are a little smaller than f12, would I need to get the bigger one?

Here's your answer WAAAAAAY earlier in the thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post16443414

I just happened to read that yesterday when browsing back through the thread from the beginning.

Thanks man!

Are you suppose to take the rubber feet off the sub and lay it on the SUBDUDE or just as is and put it on there...?

Should I get SUBDUDE or GRAMMA??

You may not need either one. I used the styrafoam corner peices that came packed in the F12 box, trimmed them a bit, painted them black and use 1 under each of the rubber feet. This was also discussed earlier in the thread. Looks great, seems to work great, gets it up off the floor a couple of inches and is good R value. Also doesn't move on the hardwood at all, used to slide a tiny bit with the vibration. I went to a local music store that sells subdude, I explained the application to him and he laughed, he was familiar with it but said it's not gonna help the bass in any way. He says they are used more for amp/speaker units to help with the grounding and sound. Don't have a clue if he's right but he's been in the music business 40 years, he could have sold me one but said not to bother, basically talked me out of buying something from him!
And to RobLee, I don't doubt your findings and thoughts about the F12 for music at all, I'm sure it didn't 'do it for you' so you got something else. I find with my setup however that it sounds great for music. Like I said there are so many factors/variables that I'm sure the F12 sounds different in every room and setup!
Like to wish you all a Happy Holiday season, merry Xmas or whatever it is you celebrate at this time of year!

I use foam/rubber pads. The kind you get for kids play area. Or you can get the tougher kind used in gyms under exercise equipment. Both can be found in Walmart.