BIC America F12 sub anyone ? - Page 14

See what he has to say about break in... Pretty much confirms my thoughts!

http://www.audioholics.com/education...act-or-fiction

So yeah, the wife just got pissed and stormed out of the house.

These two F12's are pretty rowdy.

Two questions,

I tried reversing the subs (Little switch on back), and couldn't tell a difference. Is this normal?

Another, the subs are alot louder while I'm standing than while I'm sitting down. Is there any way of bringing the sounds down to listening position?

The 180 switch sound difference is very subtle and you have to listen for the changes...'0' will sound more powerful than '180'...

Change sub placement to get the effect you want when seated...

By placement, do you mean rasing the subs higher?

I'm not exact where I could put the subs other than in front of me??

Move them so when seated you are not in a null spot...

Appologies for being such a newb, but what defines a null spot?

I think he means a spot where the lower freq. are not as vibrant/loud as another spot, higher like while standing would be your 'sweet spot' or at least sweeter than sitting. Looks like a fairly small room for 2 of these, carefull you dont harm your ears. I would try moving them further to the corners, not right to the corners and not against the wall but further from your mains. Looks like you could go left a foot or so but can't tell about right from this shot. How long is the room? Maybe place them in the rear of the room and hit the 180 on the phase switch. ps, looks like you have the right one plugged in the wall socket, you may want to consider a seperate power bar for the 2 subs.

Geez I wish my wife would get pissed and leave the house, I have to get another F12!

What volume setting do you have them at?

The room is twice as long as it is deep. So, I can move the left sub towards the corner but moving to right sub to the corner would be way too far. Not sure what to do about that.

I can move them farther away from the towers. I'll try playing with them up front, I really didn't want to move them behind the couch.

Correct, the right one is plugged into the wall socket, the left one is also plugged into a dedicated wall socket. Would it be best to have these on a power strip coming off the same socket?

You're right, these are loud. I don't see how alot of guys on here have 6-8 subwoofers. I can't imagine anything being louder.

Just a FYI, the floor is concrete with padding and carpet on top. All walls except the rear wall is concrete with drywall.

I have the crossover on the sub turned all the way up, crossover on the receiver is set at 80hz.

Volume on the sub is 5, and running +2 on the receiver.

These two subs are louder than I expected. I just can't imagine people listening to anything louder.

Just try moving them both a foot or so further out from you mains. Maybe try angling them in a few degrees...?
Sure, both on a power strip from the same socket. I'd just want them protected in case...
Sounds like you have the settings pretty high, drop it down a bit to see if that helps, I've never taken my volume past 4 - 4.5 and seldom have the AVR at +2 but every room/AVR/set-up is different. I have mine plugged in to the LFE. I can't imagine you need settings so high with 2 of them! Surrounded by cement walls I would think, would enhance your volume and low freq. there would be very little 'leakage' of sound if any.
Play with placement and settings, a small difference can make a big difference!

Air Supply, those are pretty sweet looking mains you got, what are they?

That's not good man. When the wife acts like that, you most likely better return one of them..lol.

Do the sub crawl. Place the sub on your sofa (have the wife hold it in place if necessary), and crawl around the floor and find where the sub sounds best. Once you find the spot, put a sub there.

Damn, the wife never leaves, she just yells to turn it down. Maybe I ought to order a couple more of these.

I'm sure there's a formula for placement just as you had posted a formula for break in. I always suggest placing them in whatever position they sound best to you. After all, your opinion is always the most important.

{I hope it's ok but I just posted this on aanother part of the forum}

Unless I change my mind, AGAIN, I will be putting order in for an F12 tomorrow. Since I started researching subwoofers a couple of weeks ago, I have bounced around from the F12, V1220, PA-120, T250, Boston HPS-12HO, and some others I can't remember right now. I even thought hard about an HSU STF-1 but, since every penny counts. I had to let it go for now. My budget is also torn by my interest in road cycling so not much funds to work with.
I recently pieced together an Onkyo 7.1 system off of Ebay. The speakers and sub are from an Onkyo HT-S790 HTIB and the reciever is refurb HT-R560. listening area is approximately 16' x 14' carpeted but it opens up into dining area that is about same size. I don't really have another sub to compare with the Onkyo since this is only one I've had. I did put together and install a Boston G51244 12" sub with sealed enclosure in my car a few months ago which I dearly love.
Now, the F12 will be used mostly for movies. My wife & I watch a lot of movies like Jurassic Park, Godzilla, Volcano, Blade. I especially love the star wars and LOTR movies.
Am I right in expecting the F12 to be a vast improvement over the Onkyo sub? I live in rural area with no neighbors close enough to be upset by home theater so we can play it as loud as we can stand it. And boy, this Onkyo will sure go loud!
I have been reading and re-reading thread on this forum as well as some others and, even though the SVS and HSU's would be wonderful, it all comes back to "I sure could that extra money for other things". So, here I am back at the F12.
Thanks to everyone on this forum for sharing the info.
Steve

OEDIUS -- I'm not sure what you HTIB Onkyo was capable of ... I went from a 50 watt Sony sub to this F-12 and the difference was night and day. The Sony could not handle bass involved movies (I'm just talking about plain ol' DVD's). With the F-12, it is like watching movies all over again, for the first time. I recently dove into Blu-Ray and this sub sounds amazing for my setup. Master and Commander, Iron Man, Harry Potter, etc. all sound so great now with the addition of this sub. If you are looking for a "budget" level sub, I really don't think you will be disappointed. I did have to work a bit on placement of the sub. My original spot (front of sound stage next to the right main) had good bass, but not too much thud-in-your-chest. I moved it to a corner and it was then too boomy, but I then just lined it up parallel with a wall close to the corner, but not corner positioned and it is the sweet spot for my set up.

I too looked at all the typical subs , SVS, HSU, etc. and too appreciated the cost savings if I went with the F-12. I have plenty of bass with this sub to shake walls, make my bathroom door vibrate so much that you can feel if flexing and the sub level is only set at 3 ! My receiver calibrated it to only increase the db level by +1 ---- so I have plenty of room to increase the bass if so desired.

Good luck with your decision.

rmm2112, thanks....my onkyo sub is rated at 230 watts which I believe is optimistic even at peak. Probably closer to 50 watts RMS. I have it backed diagonally into corner and it is putting out bass but, I'm wanting something much better. Hopefully, I can

They are called Yambeka. For the money, they sound perfect for me.

I'm a freaking junky already. I've given myself a headache 3 days in a row now!

Just put in my order for F12. $181.55 shipped. Now, the long waiting game......

Hi everyone,

You guys have picked my interest with this sub. I currently own a Dayton 100 HT. It is fine for movies, but I am not happy with it's performance in music. I have a decent receiver so I know that's not the issue HK AVR 247.

I'm sure some of you have had a chance to listen to both subs, so would this be an upgrade to the Dayton?

Thanks

My F12 should arrive this Monday. My old Onkyo sub only has the one RCA input. Would this be best way to connect the F12 as well since I see that it also has other options? My reciever is 7.1 Onkyo HT-R560.

Yes, the way you have your Onkyo sub connected would be the best way to connect the F12. On the back of the F12, set the receiver type switch to 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, plug your sub cable into the "sub in" jack of the F12, run Audyssey, and you should be good to go.

I think you meant to say your interest in this sub has been piqued.

The F12 is an upgrade as far as having a more powerful amp and a larger driver/box...Will those things make it sound better is a questiononly you can answer...Personally if I were you I would just replace the 10" driver in the Dayton with this:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=295-485

and you will easily equal the SQ from the F12 without the expense...Now...if you REALLY want an outstanding sub that will clean blow away any 4-500 sub you can get in the store as well as the F12 for SQ then get this driver:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=295-460

and you won't be able to wipe the smile off your face...

Thanks Splicer010,

I'll give that some consideration.

JoshKo, go with the F12, brand new, full 5 years on everything. You put a new driver in an old box with an old amp, you're gonna blow your amp and the box isn't tuned for the new driver. Splicer is the anti F12, he has a solution for everything as long as it involves not buying the F12 and all of BIC's terribly deceptive marketing!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Sound Master BIC,

I was going to contact parts express to find out about using an add on speaker with the existing amp and box. You have saved me the time in doing so. I'll just get the F12 and call it a day.

I appreciate your comments.