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post #1 of 12
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I'm looking at purchasing a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250 to record OTA HD shows. My main reason for getting this is the dual tuner functionality and the reputable brand and support. My only real interest for now is OTA recording.

I'm using WIndows XP and after some research on this model, i've noticed that Windows XP is supported with Hauppauge's WinTV v6 application. Will this create issues and is this software capable of doing "Tivo" like funtions with recording (ie: season passes, time shifting, etc.)? Does Haupauage provide the best software for this?

I am also open to other recommendations. Like I said, it will only be used for OTA dual recording. Is there a cheaper brand that will perform the same?
post #2 of 12
OTA HD is digital. As long as your antenna outputs enough signal any digital TV receiver behaves the same - it just record the digital bits.

I am using Media Center for recording and you can schedule the show and you can specify single show or all show in the same name, it supports time shifting etc.

I am using Vista because Windows XP doesn't support digital tuner only. I remember that Windows XP requires hardware Mpeg2 encoder in order for the tuner to work. Vista doesn't have this request.
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by Ronnie T View Post

Does Haupauage provide the best software for this?
Is there a cheaper brand that will perform the same?

You want the "best" and "cheap"?

For software, you may want to check out WatchHDTV, a free application that works well for many people using WinXP. Not as fancy as Sage, Windows Media Center or BeyondTV, but it does the basic task of recording, time-shifting and playback. You also get the choice of recording just one subchannel or the entire transport stream of the broadcaster.

Check the tvfool and antennaweb sites for reception info, and then get a good antenna. If you can get good reception, then the tuner you select becomes less critical. (I get very good reception 35 miles from the transmitters, and can use inexpensive KWorld tuner cards.)
post #4 of 12
Hauppauge native software is not the best and generally cannot run when Window's Media Center is active. Don't forget (free) GB-PVR software as an application.
post #5 of 12
Most software that come with tuner cards are rarely any good. However, WatchHDTV is very basic and development on it has stopped. You're looking at a dual-tuner card and the only way you can do that with WatchHDTV is if you have two folders of the program, one set-up for the first tuner and the other for the second. Even then, I'm not sure if you can launch two copies of the program at the same time. The experience is also far from Tivo-like.

There are a lot of free alternatives, though. I personally use GB-PVR. Probably not as many bells and whistles as other programs, but I've found PVR functionality to be excellent. I particularly like the built-in web server which let me schedule recordings anywhere I have internet access. There's also MediaPortal which I tried two years ago. It crashed a lot back then, but it probably works better now. There's a MediaPortal how-to/guide stickied in this (Home Theater Computers) subforum. There are probably a lot of others I'm not aware of.
post #6 of 12
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From the System Requirements for the card:
Microsoft® Windows® Vista Premium or Ultimate with Media Center or Windows XP Media Center Edition. Windows XP is supported with Hauppauge's WinTV v6 application.

It sounds like since i'm using Windows XP (not media center) then i'm limited to the crappy software that comes with it. Is that what i'm understanding?

I was definately looking at some of the other apps - GB-PVR, SageTV, or Beyond TV (THanks for the recommendations). would it be better to go with the Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1800 instead? (Remember, I'm only using it for dual tuner OTA.)
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by Ronnie T View Post

From the System Requirements for the card:
Microsoft® Windows® Vista Premium or Ultimate with Media Center or Windows XP Media Center Edition. Windows XP is supported with Hauppauge's WinTV v6 application.

It sounds like since i'm using Windows XP (not media center) then i'm limited to the crappy software that comes with it. Is that what i'm understanding?

The "system requirements" is listing the environments that will work without having to buy or install more software.

Just check the supported list of tuners for the applications you're interested in. If your tuner is listed and its a WinXP app, then it should work if you can get decent reception.
post #8 of 12
You have to careful when you say dual tuner. The HVR-1800 is dual tuner but one tuner is analog while the other is digital. I think you want two digital tuners for OTA (especially since analog will go away, eventually).
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by blue_z View Post

Just check the supported list of tuners for the applications you're interested in. If your tuner is listed and its a WinXP app, then it should work if you can get decent reception.

Thanks for clearing that up. It makes sense now

On another note about reception. I do receive great reception now with a roof top antenna hooked up to an HDTV. Can i expect the same level of reception with a tuner card?
post #10 of 12
Also remember XP still requires an analog tuner. I found a way to "unplug" the analog card, but then I wasn't able to reconfigure.

Eventually OTA analog will go away? That's like 13 days away!
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by hceuterpe View Post

Eventually OTA analog will go away? That's like 13 days away!


Well not quite...the House passed the bill to extend the deadline to June 12, for now...
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by Ronnie T View Post

Thanks for clearing that up. It makes sense now

On another note about reception. I do receive great reception now with a roof top antenna hooked up to an HDTV. Can i expect the same level of reception with a tuner card?

Alas, maybe not. A lot of HDTVs and CECBs (coupon-eligible converter box) have better tuners than PC add-on cards. Can you quantify that "great reception"? If it's around maybe 90%, I'm pretty sure you're almost guaranteed to get them via a PC tuner.

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Originally Posted by hceuterpe View Post

Also remember XP still requires an analog tuner. I found a way to "unplug" the analog card, but then I wasn't able to reconfigure.

MCE 2005 does. No such restrictions if you're using say XP Home or Pro and 3rd-party PVR software like BeyondTV, Sage, GB-PVR, MediaPortal, etc.
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