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post #211 of 2692
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

I think if your doom and gloom is correct, I would still expect to see a third party take care of current Pio warranty claims and past warranty service.

Hopefully I'm wrong. I just think there's some obvious red flags here.

I've never been in a situation like that before and hopefully I and all the other Pioneer product owners won't have to find out.
post #212 of 2692
The Japanese companies are bleeding red due to their high currency. Take a look at this chart comparing the South Korean Wong with the Japanese Yen during 2008. The Yen is up over 50% with most of the gain in the last 3 months. The Japanese cannot survive if their currency continues to rise.

http://www.x-rates.com/d/KRW/JPY/hist2008.html

It has gone up even further since year end.
post #213 of 2692
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

But Sharp is now partnered with them on the LCD side, so wouldn't they have some say in those things?

Fron WSJ

Sharp Corp. said Friday it swung to a net loss in its fiscal third quarter and warned it now expects to post its first full-year net loss since 1950, as weak consumer demand and the yen's strength undermine Japan's technology companies.
The company also said it plans to cut 1,500 non-full-time jobs and close down some production lines at two liquid-crystal-display manufacturing plants in Japan, in an effort to cut costs.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1233...l?mod=djemTECH
post #214 of 2692
If I weren't getting married in June I would run out and buy a 151 now. Should I call it off?
post #215 of 2692
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Originally Posted by hoodlum View Post

The Japanese companies are bleeding red due to their high currency. Take a look at this chart comparing the South Korean Wong with the Japanese Yen during 2008. The Yen is up over 50% with most of the gain in the last 3 months. The Japanese cannot survive if their currency continues to rise.

http://www.x-rates.com/d/KRW/JPY/hist2008.html

It has gone up even further since year end.

That was somewhere in the back of my mind.

Did someone say earlier that we have NOT seen an official respoonse/comment from Pioneer themselves yet on this story?





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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

Fron WSJ

Sharp Corp. said Friday it swung to a net loss in its fiscal third quarter and warned it now expects to post its first full-year net loss since 1950, as weak consumer demand and the yen's strength undermine Japan's technology companies.
The company also said it plans to cut 1,500 non-full-time jobs and close down some production lines at two liquid-crystal-display manufacturing plants in Japan, in an effort to cut costs.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1233...l?mod=djemTECH

So they're in trouble, too. I think everyone is at this point.
post #216 of 2692
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Originally Posted by audiovideogeek View Post

Ofcourse if we believed all the bad news, we would be listening to idiots like this

http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...sma-tv-is-dead

I would not call Audioholics' Clint DeBoer an idiot.

AJ
post #217 of 2692
I'm just happy I got my 6020 (well, hopefully the SECOND one ISN'T shattered ) in the bag.

Really, for recent purchasers (now and last year) what was the long-term reality anyway?

I mean unless you replace your tv every year, most of us would've likely held onto our Kuros for at least 3-4 years before replacing them, and by then, something better will/would have come along anyway (OLED, superior LCD's, who knows?).

As long as we get sound longevity out of our sets, all will be fine.

James
post #218 of 2692
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Originally Posted by hoodlum View Post

The Japanese companies are bleeding red due to their high currency. Take a look at this chart comparing the South Korean Wong with the Japanese Yen during 2008. The Yen is up over 50% with most of the gain in the last 3 months. The Japanese cannot survive if their currency continues to rise.

http://www.x-rates.com/d/KRW/JPY/hist2008.html

It has gone up even further since year end.

Can someone please explain this to me? I thought that if a country's currency raises then they have more buying power but maybe I'm just thinking about how the dollar works.
post #219 of 2692
Hi,

Even if Panasonic buy the Kuro tech, it will be well into next year before they implement any or part of it - there will be intense pressure from and within the LCD markets with everyone touting LED-BL and it may behove Panasonic to get the Kuro tech and apply it to entire LCD line up as it would be too expensive for anyone else to implement LED-BL on all but the bigger sets and Panasonic can apply as much of the Kuro Tech on the entire plasma line up - this will give them dominance in terms of PQ across their entire range. I doubt if Panasonic will do it to that level though - I was hoping last year that Panasonic took over Pioneer's TV division lock, stock & barrel to avoid this very situation of Pioneer pulling out of the market. I am wondering how long Samsung & LG will stay committed to plasma - their line ups are nowhere near as varied as their LCD ones. I have a feeling Samsung now might make a power-play on Pioneer and get what it can - they will see it as sweet revenge for losing a lawsuit by Pioneer against them recently. This really is extremely sad for the Plasma market. My dream of owning a kuro has just died.

Bazzy!
post #220 of 2692
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Originally Posted by mbroadus View Post

If I weren't getting married in June I would run out and buy a 151 now. Should I call it off?

Dude I think the wife can wait , I mean this is like owning a dinosaur
post #221 of 2692
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

I would not call Audioholics' Clint DeBoer an idiot.

AJ

If he is the one who wrote that article then yes he is a total idiot.
post #222 of 2692
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Originally Posted by RYAXIN View Post

OLED technology is still in it's infancy stage. Much tweaking to be done and it's benefits are showing remarkable in lab tests.

Same was said with the plasma technology until everyone was caught in the game of who will produce the best set. Although manufactuers were aiming their displays capabilities towards a specific target of people the results were phenominal on every corner.

OLED technology will bring out a new line of competition from every corner and the hunt will once again begin as to who can tweak the technology to it's fullest.

I can't comment on discussions with engineers from around the table but I can say that there is another technology that is surprisingly (to most I've spoken with) even better than OLED, aimed for Q4 2010.

The marketplace is speaking but too many folks aren't listening. OLEDs may come but unless the engineers can get display units into the $1-3K range they'll never see the light of day in the coming years. Forget about OLEDs, forget about 1" thin sets, forget about blackhole black's, forget about sets that cost $5-15K. Manufacturer's that attempt to make money in that market in the next 5 years will either change their strategy or go out of business.

Some may not want to hear that view but the marketplace is speaking very loudly. Those that are deaf to it, do so at significant risk. Many manufacturers are just starting to listen to the consumer now. For some they are listening too late.
post #223 of 2692
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I can empathize with your decision. However, if you scratching off a purchase because you are worried about getting it serviced, you have been mislead. US law requires manufacturers to have at least 7 years of part available for models once they have been discontinued.

I highly doubt you would be holding on to a 141 after a few years anyway as there is guaranteed to be much better, cheaper, products available at that point in time.

What can I say, when it comes to large purchases I prefer to do business with companies that are in business. I wouldn't purchase a new car from a company that told me they weren't making cars anymore either.
post #224 of 2692
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

So they're in trouble, too. I think everyone is at this point.





And the band played on...

post #225 of 2692
The stronger the yen is against the dollar the more expensive it is to their largest market (us) to buy their goods.

"Can someone please explain this to me? I thought that if you currency raises you have more buying power but maybe I'm just thinking about how the dollar works."
post #226 of 2692
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

If he is the one who wrote that article then yes he is a total idiot.

Don't mince your words, Chad. Tell it like it is!
post #227 of 2692
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Originally Posted by heatwave3 View Post

The marketplace is speaking but too many folks aren't listening. OLEDs may come but unless the engineers can get display units into the $1-3K range they'll never see the light of day in the coming years. Forget about OLEDs, forget about 1" thin sets, forget about blackhole black's, forget about sets that cost $5-15K. Manufacturer's that attempt to make money in that market in the next 5 years will either change their strategy or go out of business.

Some may not want to hear that view but the marketplace is speaking very loudly. Those that are deaf to it, do so at significant risk. Many manufacturers are just starting to listen to the consumer now. For some they are listening too late.

Probably right, but that actually makes me a little sad. This is one of my favorite hobbies and to see the quality getting pulled away from us (avs'ers)stinks. But obviously there aren't enough of us.
post #228 of 2692
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

What can I say, when it comes to large purchases I prefer to do business with companies that are in business. I wouldn't purchase a new car from a company that told me they weren't making cars anymore either.

Then go buy your Tv from a company in buisness.

Just remember that the guy next to you that bought the Kuro will have the superior picture.
post #229 of 2692
Just ordered my Pioneer 5020. This is the largest consumer purchase I've ever made (Recent college grad now working). I've been doing a ton of research this past month. After reading 8 pages of doom and gloom on this thread,fear kicked in and I immediately reached for my credit card.
post #230 of 2692
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Originally Posted by AUmoorebl View Post

The stronger the yen is against the dollar the more expensive it is to their largest market (us) to buy their goods.

That makes sense, thanks.
post #231 of 2692
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Originally Posted by skiz6151 View Post

Dude I think the wife can wait , I mean this is like owning a dinosaur


LMAO.
James
post #232 of 2692
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post





And the band played on...


D'oh!
post #233 of 2692
Well,

I predicted this most sad end. Great TV company, they had a great run. Its not a time to be down but to look forward to the future. The end one era is the begining of another.
post #234 of 2692
Yeah, if you look at a Kuro from a performance/reliabilty standpoint, you'd be crazy to NOT buy one before it's too late. I think the 3 year failure rates hover around 1%?

Buy another one in 4 years if you want.

James
post #235 of 2692
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Probably right, but that actually makes me a little sad. This is one of my favorite hobbies and to see the quality getting pulled away from us (avs'ers)stinks. But obviously there aren't enough of us.

yep, i agree.

this is like an audiophile finding out that Bose is putting all of the other companys out of buisness.

It just stinks.
post #236 of 2692
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I just received an email from pioneer Electronics, talking about their HDTVs and awards. No doom & gloom. Here's a brief synopsis:

"no doom and gloom", LMAO. Anyone who just lived through the past year's events could not possibly take comfort in that press release.
post #237 of 2692
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

"no doom and gloom", LMAO. Anyone who just lived through the past year's events could not possibly take comfort in that press release.

That's the truth. It's milk and honey right up to the point the stock is worth a couple of pennies and the government moves in and takes you over.
post #238 of 2692
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

Well,

I predicted this most sad end. Great TV company, they had a great run. Its not a time to be down but to look forward to the future. The end one era is the begining of another.



Yeah, you're a regular Nostradamus. Predicting the demise of plasma tech is like predicting the "end of winter". It's inevitable, I'm afraid.

The writings been on the wall for 3+ years now.

Did anyone really think they'd (Pioneer) go any further than the coming generation, at best?

Bout the only real rumblings I heard is that they MAY try to push out 10th gen tech. Hell, it'll be interesting to see how long it survives, period, now.

James
post #239 of 2692
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Originally Posted by mbroadus View Post

If I weren't getting married in June I would run out and buy a 151 now. Should I call it off?

Just go to best buy and do a gift registry for the 151. Hopefully a couple people will scan it so you can have a 151 waiting at home when you return from the honeymoon.
post #240 of 2692
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

yep, i agree.

this is like an audiophile finding out that Bose is putting all of the other companys out of buisness.

It just stinks.

That's not a good comparsion because no one put Pioneer out of business but Pioneer. I told you that you can't have a Gucci approach to market flat panel TV's and hope to survive. WHo ever the CEO was that came up with that ridiculous marketing sceme should have been fired a long time ago.

The name of game is "affordable" flat panels.
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