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post #211 of 242
9/10/10 at 3:14am
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

That's not what the video specs thread says:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=942

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...155731#anchorL

It seems to be saying all discs & episodes are 1080i50.

I'll dig out my boxset tonight and double check this one mate and post back on here.
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post #212 of 242
9/10/10 at 3:17am
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

I thought Warner BDs are the same worldwide all 24p, not here?

Nick Cave?

sorry, duh, Nick Love, not Nick Cave lol- also directed the British films 'The Football Factory' and 'The Business'...sorry don't have my head screwed on properly this week- dying with the flu
it's definetely 1080/50i- yes surprising for a WB release.
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post #213 of 242
9/10/10 at 3:18am
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Originally Posted by Leterface View Post

You have propably read the HDD review witch talks about "UK release" but infact the review refers to the US version narrated by Attenborough where only 1 episode is 1080i/60.

will double check all discs properly later and post back on here...
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post #214 of 242
9/10/10 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

I thought Warner BDs are the same worldwide all 24p, not here?

Nick Cave?

ok ran disc thru BDInfo and it reports disc to be VC-1 Video codec and 1080i/25fps(1080/50i)...this may be one of those movies shot in this format, thus it "may be" encoded correctly...someone on UK AVForums mentioned this but I could not find any tech info on it anywhere to support this.
If true, movie title should have * next to it.
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post #215 of 242
9/10/10 at 5:07am
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

That's not what the video specs thread says:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=942

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...155731#anchorL

It seems to be saying all discs & episodes are 1080i50.


Looks like you are right- all episodes seem to be 1080i/25fps VC-1 encode on UK boxset...again, I'm wondering if this was shot this way and thus is correctly encoded? (UK version)...?
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post #216 of 242
9/11/10 at 4:19am
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Originally Posted by hsinnott View Post

Looks like you are right- all episodes seem to be 1080i/25fps VC-1 encode on UK boxset...again, I'm wondering if this was shot this way and thus is correctly encoded? (UK version)...?

Yes, it will have been originally mastered at 1080i50. Though high speed cameras would have been used for some shots and slowed down to 25 fps.
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post #217 of 242
9/18/10 at 3:07pm
Battleship Potemkin - Atlantic Film - Sweden/Denmark/Norway/Finland

Presented in 1080i50 (1080p25) but it's quite an unusual situation.

The original framerate of the movie was 18fps and to make it fit into 25fps they used frame repetition with the following pattern:

FFF.FFF.FF.FFF.FF.FFF.FF.

...where every 'F' denotes a unique frame, and every '.' denotes the previous frame repeated, so each sequence of 25 frames has 18 unique frames and 7 repeated ones. Technically this means the movie retains its correct speed so I guess it should have a * on the list.

A note on the US version: during the DVD era Kino got quite a bit of flak for their PAL->NTSC conversions, and interestingly the same thing happened here, though handled much better. The US disc is 24fps but if you study it you will find the exact same pattern of 25 frames as described above, so they basically got a 25fps HD master and slowed it down.

With access to a source with just the 18 unique frames per second one could have used the slightly more intuitive repetition pattern of:

FFF.FFF.FFF.FFF.FFF.FFF.

...i.e. repeated a frame every three frames, to make it 24fps. To be perfectly honest I don't know if it would be better, worse or even noticeable, though at least the movie would play at the correct speed.
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post #218 of 242
10/26/10 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

I already gave my view on the subject and ain't going to be extensively cross-examined with what is and what ifs. Common sense, logic and conventional usage (I've checked my Concise Oxford English Dictionary and online) prevail and when people say "lets go to the movies" they know what to expect to see in the cinema. I certainly do not expect to see one episode of a TV mini-series there and return to see the next episode later. A TV series filmed in movie style is still a TV series but with a particular stylistic choice. I think this fits in with the general spirit of the thread topic. The key I suppose is similarity in content and duration of the genres you normally see in a cinema.

I never mentioned Disney Earth at all and in any case this fits nicely with what I said before: the kind you watch in a theatre. When did I say it's not a movie? Did I say a movie can't be in the style of a documentary? It is a different product from the TV documentary, using footages to make up stories. Nobody has reported that it is 50i on disc so the point is moot. End of story.



Really that many? All the classical music concert and opera BDs (mainly from Europe) so far are 1080i60 (one has PAL bonus). I dunno about pop and jazz. Only a handful of BBC BDs (Life, discussed above; Top Gear - The Great Adventures Vol. 3 and Torchwood) are 1080i50.

The region code website has some listed as 50i (not confined to movies) but there aren't that many even considering the list is not exhaustive.

I just purchased this Top Gear blu-ray and found out that my BD Player wont play it.(thats when I found this thread) If I were to buy Life, or any other Top Gear BDs will I have the same issue?, will I have to buy a new player to play them?
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post #219 of 242
10/27/10 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by StrikeOne33 View Post

I just purchased this Top Gear blu-ray and found out that my BD Player wont play it.(thats when I found this thread) If I were to buy Life, or any other Top Gear BDs will I have the same issue?, will I have to buy a new player to play them?

I would't chance UK Life or other Top Gear BD. You may not be able to play these discs for number of reasons including region coding, inability of your BD player to play 1080i50 or PAL content, or inability of your TV to display 1080i50 or PAL content.
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post #220 of 242
10/27/10 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by paku View Post

Battleship Potemkin - Atlantic Film - Sweden/Denmark/Norway/Finland

Presented in 1080i50 (1080p25) but it's quite an unusual situation.

The original framerate of the movie was 18fps and to make it fit into 25fps they used frame repetition with the following pattern:

FFF.FFF.FF.FFF.FF.FFF.FF.

...where every 'F' denotes a unique frame, and every '.' denotes the previous frame repeated, so each sequence of 25 frames has 18 unique frames and 7 repeated ones. Technically this means the movie retains its correct speed so I guess it should have a * on the list.

A note on the US version: during the DVD era Kino got quite a bit of flak for their PAL->NTSC conversions, and interestingly the same thing happened here, though handled much better. The US disc is 24fps but if you study it you will find the exact same pattern of 25 frames as described above, so they basically got a 25fps HD master and slowed it down.

With access to a source with just the 18 unique frames per second one could have used the slightly more intuitive repetition pattern of:

FFF.FFF.FFF.FFF.FFF.FFF.

...i.e. repeated a frame every three frames, to make it 24fps. To be perfectly honest I don't know if it would be better, worse or even noticeable, though at least the movie would play at the correct speed.

Thanks for the info. I wonder why they didn't convert from 18FPS to 24FPS as you described in the first place. There is really no downside to 24FPS in this case unless they were making their master for both Blu-ray and DVD. Can PAL DVD player play NTSC content with no issues?
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post #221 of 242
10/28/10 at 1:47am
These four released as a box set in France. All movies encoded in 1080i50 and region B locked as well.
On the plus side, English subs included for all the movies and extras and English menus available as well.

Title Region Country Blu-ray Studio UPC
Three Colors: Blue B France mk2 3384442245883
Three Colors: White B France mk2 3384442245890
Three Colors: Red B France mk2 3384442245906
The Double Life of Veronique B France mk2 3384442245913
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post #222 of 242
10/28/10 at 2:18am
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http://www.amazon.de/dp/B0025T4Z0U/

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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00001.MPLS                                                      MPEG-2  1:44:11 20,014,399,488  24,547,751,592  25.61   23.99   DD AC3 2.0 192Kbps
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Bottle Shock (German Release)
Disc Size:      24,547,751,592 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Length:                 1:44:11 (h:m:s)
Size:                   20,014,399,488 bytes
Total Bitrate:          25.61 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-2 Video            23991 kbps          1080i / 25 fps / 16:9

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             German          192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           German          10.878 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          10.589 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00001.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:44:11.639     20,014,399,488  25,612          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:00:29.359     8,469 kbps      31,462 kbps     00:00:28.279    16,614 kbps     00:00:11.399    12,907 kbps     00:00:04.760    42,288 bytes    527,441 bytes   00:00:04.319    
2               0:00:29.359     0:10:48.000     23,538 kbps     36,834 kbps     00:10:10.319    32,670 kbps     00:02:20.039    31,358 kbps     00:03:12.359    117,691 bytes   781,192 bytes   00:09:45.880    
3               0:11:17.359     0:14:00.960     22,719 kbps     35,898 kbps     00:17:33.080    32,220 kbps     00:17:57.479    30,692 kbps     00:11:21.560    113,595 bytes   597,843 bytes   00:18:22.560    
4               0:25:18.319     0:14:20.159     24,325 kbps     36,765 kbps     00:38:01.399    33,726 kbps     00:28:58.040    31,885 kbps     00:26:51.800    121,627 bytes   724,256 bytes   00:37:42.239    
5               0:39:38.479     0:10:45.120     23,961 kbps     36,835 kbps     00:39:41.520    33,652 kbps     00:50:03.800    32,201 kbps     00:49:58.800    119,807 bytes   610,037 bytes   00:48:46.359    
6               0:50:23.600     0:13:04.799     26,704 kbps     37,197 kbps     01:02:53.520    32,679 kbps     00:50:41.720    31,581 kbps     00:53:01.880    133,518 bytes   671,206 bytes   00:59:59.800    
7               1:03:28.400     0:13:04.319     25,078 kbps     36,380 kbps     01:16:29.040    32,275 kbps     01:12:15.240    31,465 kbps     01:12:10.200    125,391 bytes   750,232 bytes   01:09:33.879    
8               1:16:32.719     0:09:04.320     22,636 kbps     35,369 kbps     01:21:20.760    31,063 kbps     01:21:21.559    29,756 kbps     01:25:17.240    113,181 bytes   617,157 bytes   01:21:20.799    
9               1:25:37.040     0:18:34.599     23,367 kbps     38,174 kbps     01:30:55.440    32,856 kbps     01:30:55.559    32,095 kbps     01:30:55.439    116,841 bytes   681,746 bytes   01:27:31.200    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00001.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x02            MPEG-2                                  6251.480                23,991                  18,747,710,552  101,981,064     
00001.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x81            AC3             deu (German)            6251.480                192                     150,036,480     976,800         
00001.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6251.480                192                     150,036,480     976,800         
00001.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            6251.480                11                      8,500,516       49,473          
00001.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            6251.480                11                      8,274,977       48,082
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post #223 of 242
10/28/10 at 7:12am
Thread Starter 
Thank you, OP updated.
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post #224 of 242
2/22/12 at 7:24am
Regarding post#2 for those looking for a player that will play their 1080i50 discs and convert to 60 on the fly.

The Samsung BD-P1600, BD-P1500 and BD-P2550 all do this, but some pulsing is introduced in the conversion. While watching the F1 2011 Blu-ray backed up to remove region coding, all three of these players (yes I've tried it on all three) play the disc properly but any graphics like the F1 "flag" symbol pulsate and it can be somewhat distracting. I tried it this past week-end on the Samsung BD-D5700 and...PERFECT PICTURE! No pulsing at all, graphics introduced perfectly. It was on an LG 50PV400 and it displays "1080p60" instead of "1080i60" so I don't know if the new model is converting 1080i50 > 1080p60 on the fly instead of 1080i50 > 1080i60 or if the LG doesn't display the incoming signal correctly.

I took the player upstairs to a Samsung LCD set and tried the disc on both the BD-D5700 and BD-P1500 and again the 5700 played it perfectly while the 1500 still had the pulsing effect.

I am going to pop by a local store to check the BD-D5100 and if it too produces a pulse-free signal I will sell my BD-P2550 and replace it. This player is only for 1080i50 discs anyway.

But there's another player to add to the list. And if anyone was experiencing the same pulsing I have been, now you know how to fix it. The pulsing was not due to set-up, as it occurred in three different set-ups, in each case the BD-D5700 was the piece of the puzzle that resolved it.
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post #225 of 242
2/22/12 at 9:13am
The french edition of David Wain's "The Ten" is PAL.
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post #226 of 242
2/22/12 at 10:22am
The Australian Blu-ray Disc of The Vampire Lovers is 1080i50.
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post #227 of 242
2/23/12 at 8:01am
First: this thread should be a sticky! This is incredibly useful info.
Second: here's a few I've found:

Dark Floors
Region = ABC
Country = Germany
Studio = MIG

Dark Ride
Region = B
Country = Germany
Studio = Sunfilm

Ghost Dog
Region = B
Country = France
Studio = BAC
Also = forced French subtitles with English audio
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post #228 of 242
2/23/12 at 8:06pm
French Blu of Judge Dredd (Sylvester Stallone, Diane Lane), 1080i/50.
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post #229 of 242
2/23/12 at 8:45pm
How I Ended This Summer / B / UK / New Wave Films 1080i50
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post #230 of 242
2/28/12 at 3:40pm
Another one:

Prowl
Region = B
Country = UK
Studio = G2 Pictures
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post #231 of 242
3/4/12 at 12:27pm
Add to the list the French Blu Ray of Exodus, published by Opening in cooperation with the CNC.
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post #232 of 242
3/5/12 at 9:11am
Dance of the Dead
Region = B
Country = France
Studio = Free Dolphin Entertainment

Pig Hunt
Region = B
Country = France
Studio = M6
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post #233 of 242
3/7/12 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by dobyblue View Post

Regarding post#2 for those looking for a player that will play their 1080i50 discs and convert to 60 on the fly.

The Samsung BD-P1600, BD-P1500 and BD-P2550 all do this, but some pulsing is introduced in the conversion. While watching the F1 2011 Blu-ray backed up to remove region coding, all three of these players (yes I've tried it on all three) play the disc properly but any graphics like the F1 "flag" symbol pulsate and it can be somewhat distracting. I tried it this past week-end on the Samsung BD-D5700 and...PERFECT PICTURE! No pulsing at all, graphics introduced perfectly. It was on an LG 50PV400 and it displays "1080p60" instead of "1080i60" so I don't know if the new model is converting 1080i50 > 1080p60 on the fly instead of 1080i50 > 1080i60 or if the LG doesn't display the incoming signal correctly.

I took the player upstairs to a Samsung LCD set and tried the disc on both the BD-D5700 and BD-P1500 and again the 5700 played it perfectly while the 1500 still had the pulsing effect.

I am going to pop by a local store to check the BD-D5100 and if it too produces a pulse-free signal I will sell my BD-P2550 and replace it. This player is only for 1080i50 discs anyway.

But there's another player to add to the list. And if anyone was experiencing the same pulsing I have been, now you know how to fix it. The pulsing was not due to set-up, as it occurred in three different set-ups, in each case the BD-D5700 was the piece of the puzzle that resolved it.

Many thanks to Dobyblue for your post recommending the Samsung BD-5700 for these oddball discs. I picked up the player on Amazon, got it last night, and was able to watch my aviation blu-ray discs I got from Europe that are in 1080i50 format. My Sony S550 won't touch them. I am a happy camper!!
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post #234 of 242
3/12/12 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by alhull View Post

Many thanks to Dobyblue for your post recommending the Samsung BD-5700 for these oddball discs. I picked up the player on Amazon, got it last night, and was able to watch my aviation blu-ray discs I got from Europe that are in 1080i50 format. My Sony S550 won't touch them. I am a happy camper!!

Glad the info helped!
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post #235 of 242
3/12/12 at 5:23pm
It's appalling the studios aren't using high quality frame interpolation to change frame rates: it's not exactly rocket science. Instead we get cheap and nasty frame and field repetition.

There have also been many opportunities to migrate to worldwide standards, yet we still have cameras being released shooting at 25/50fps: the UK has had multi-standard TVs for years.

It's time this madness stopped.
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post #236 of 242
3/12/12 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

There have also been many opportunities to migrate to worldwide standards, yet we still have cameras being released shooting at 25/50fps: the UK has had multi-standard TVs for years.

It's time this madness stopped.

When the broadcast systems and related things in Europe are based around 25/50 fps, it helps to have cameras that shoot that way. Taking options away from cameras isn't good as it would only lose quality. It wouldn't allow advancements in formats such as with the new film formats used.

The best way is is for TVs and other consumer equipment to accept all standards, not removing standards at the camera.
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post #237 of 242
3/13/12 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

When the broadcast systems and related things in Europe are based around 25/50 fps, it helps to have cameras that shoot that way. Taking options away from cameras isn't good as it would only lose quality. It wouldn't allow advancements in formats such as with the new film formats used.

The best way is is for TVs and other consumer equipment to accept all standards, not removing standards at the camera.

The move to HDTV was an ideal opportunity to adopt uniform worldwide standards: new cameras had to be purchased as well as supporting broadcast equipment and HDTVs at the consumer end. The opportunity was missed and now incompatible standards are entrenched.
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post #238 of 242
3/13/12 at 9:58am
Switching to 59.94 Hz in Europe would have meant nightmares in dealing with legacy material, mixed contribution of SD and HD, internal syncing and downconverting HD programming to SD (including simulcasting services in both SD and HD as an interim solution until people fully embrace HD).

Basically, there'd need to be frame rate converters everywhere to deal with it, and an even more complicated adaptation to the workflow in HD from what people were used to with SD. So for broadcast applications, given the gradual migration from SD to HD in both production workflow and transmission, it must have been out of the question.

That also raises the question whether 50 Hz flat or 60/1.001 Hz is more appropriate and whether the migration to HD should have meant ditching the legacy refresh rates in favor of something better than both of them. The 1000/1001 reduction in frame rate inherited from NTSC makes things even more complicated.

It's quite a different situation from BD, where it's possible to get around many of those problems because it's played back locally in an appropriate setup. Limitations in broadcasting standards isn't the problem, it's using broadcast dupes for BD mastering that is.
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post #239 of 242
6/4/12 at 10:14am
Uk releases of lost highway and twin peaks fire walk with me are 1080i50
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post #240 of 242
6/4/12 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by RicsterG View Post

Uk releases of lost highway and twin peaks fire walk with me are 1080i50

Crom is not pleased...
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