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I have my music ripped into WMA lossless on my external HDD that is hooked up through my wired network. I now stream to my PS3 with play on media software but the PS3 will not play lossless only MP3. I do not like the sound quality of the PS3 streaming and want to find another streaming option with better sound quality. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by allworld View Post

I have my music ripped into WMA lossless on my external HDD that is hooked up through my wired network. I now stream to my PS3 with play on media software but the PS3 will not play lossless only MP3. I do not like the sound quality of the PS3 streaming and want to find another streaming option with better sound quality. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Well first of all, PS3 will stream more than just mp3. Second, I have gotten it to stream WMA lossless. I was using my HP MSS at the time, and (at the time) it used Windows Media Connect as its media server, so maybe that was doing the transcoding, but the point is it can be done. So you could check into a transcoder that would support your WMA lossless rips to the PS3.

As far as another option for streaming audio, with better SQ, and a better interface...uh, ever heard of a little something called Squeezebox? Gotta come into the forums with your eyes open my man.

CD
post #3 of 14
CD - One note, the Squeezebox doesn't decode WMA lossless natively, it uses SqueezeCenter to do it. I find the Logitech specs misleading in this respect because they don't differentiate between native codecs and one's that require a PC. I found this out the hard way and later switched to FLAC so I thought that I would post.

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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Well first of all, PS3 will stream more than just mp3. Second, I have gotten it to stream WMA lossless. I was using my HP MSS at the time, and (at the time) it used Windows Media Connect as its media server, so maybe that was doing the transcoding, but the point is it can be done. So you could check into a transcoder that would support your WMA lossless rips to the PS3.

As far as another option for streaming audio, with better SQ, and a better interface...uh, ever heard of a little something called Squeezebox? Gotta come into the forums with your eyes open my man.

CD
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by Florida View Post

CD - One note, the Squeezebox doesn't decode WMA lossless natively, it uses SqueezeCenter to do it. I find the Logitech specs misleading in this respect because they don't differentiate between native codecs and one's that require a PC. I found this out the hard way and later switched to FLAC so I thought that I would post.

No, that's a good point to clarify Florida...and I now remember it coming up over in one of the SB threads. Now, just to clarify your clarify...lol...obviously SC always needs a PC anyway (with the exception of the very few NASs that will run it), so is what you're saying that, even though SC will usually be running on a PC anyway, that WMA lossless runs a little slower, because it is actually being transcoded before being streamed to your SB, as opposed to a native codec like FLAC, which just hits the pipe right away?

CD
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Originally Posted by Florida View Post

CD - One note, the Squeezebox doesn't decode WMA lossless natively, it uses SqueezeCenter to do it. I find the Logitech specs misleading in this respect because they don't differentiate between native codecs and one's that require a PC. I found this out the hard way and later switched to FLAC so I thought that I would post.

Why is this transcoding a big deal, as long as the solution provides support for playback? You need Squeezecenter anyway to playback local files.
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Originally Posted by IcemanDallas View Post

Why is this transcoding a big deal, as long as the solution provides support for playback? You need Squeezecenter anyway to playback local files.

You're right Iceman; as I point out, you need a PC to run SC anyway (except, like I said, the very few NAS that will support it). But I could see 2 reasons transcoding certain codecs might be an issue: 1) if it somewhat delays getting files; let's say switching from one WMA lossless track to another took 4-5 seconds (as opposed to a native codec like FLAC being more or less instantaneous)...wouldn't you consider that unacceptable? And 2) transcoding can really chew up processing power. Now, I doubt it takes as much resource to transcode WMA lossless on the fly, as say vc-1-encoded .m2ts BD files, but if I were running SC on the same PC I use for other things, and streaming WMA lossless was bogging me down bacuse of the transcoding, that would be something to consider, no?

Remember, I'm on your team...lol; just pointing out how it might be an issue for some (not me...I stream FLAC, and besides my SC is on a dedicated server).

CD
post #7 of 14
CD hit on it in his response. There was some very annoying latency when transcoding on the PC. At the begining of a track I was seeing skipping until the SB had cached much of it. I also saw much more time between tracks than I now see with FLAC.

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Originally Posted by IcemanDallas View Post

Why is this transcoding a big deal, as long as the solution provides support for playback? You need Squeezecenter anyway to playback local files.
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

You're right Iceman; as I point out, you need a PC to run SC anyway (except, like I said, the very few NAS that will support it). But I could see 2 reasons transcoding certain codecs might be an issue: 1) if it somewhat delays getting files; let's say switching from one WMA lossless track to another took 4-5 seconds (as opposed to a native codec like FLAC being more or less instantaneous)...wouldn't you consider that unacceptable? And 2) transcoding can really chew up processing power. Now, I doubt it takes as much resource to transcode WMA lossless on the fly, as say vc-1-encoded .m2ts BD files, but if I were running SC on the same PC I use for other things, and streaming WMA lossless was bogging me down bacuse of the transcoding, that would be something to consider, no?

Remember, I'm on your team...lol; just pointing out how it might be an issue for some (not me...I stream FLAC, and besides my SC is on a dedicated server).

CD

I'm not giving you a hard time but I had seen that issue raised before and wanted to satisfy my curiosity. I have some WMA CD's that I have downloaded from Musicgiants and now that you mention it, there is a slight delay when a track from those CD's are included in a random playlist. I usually crossfade and the delay was obvious. It never bothered me, I just assumed it was another flakey thing going on with SC. My SC runs on a dedicated machine too so I never cared about the software sucking resources. Thanks for the clarification.
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by IcemanDallas View Post

I'm not giving you a hard time...

I know you're not; I just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't giving you a hard time either.

CD
post #10 of 14
It is now March 2010, and over a year has passed since this thread began, but the question still remains: Aside from Squeezebox, which receivers or players will play WMA lossless? I just checked the product manuals of all of the leading receiver manufacturers including Onkyo, Pioneer, Yamaha and Denon and the best they can offer is WMA lossless at 320 bps. This really doesn't mean much since most WMA lossless recordings are between 800 and 1100 bps. None mention anything about transcoding or downsizing and many warn that these larger files won't play.

Moreover, from the various forums I've scoured, it appears that even XBox 360 has trouble with WMA lossless. Finally, I remember that Microsoft used to have a webpage listing devices which would play WMA lossless but I can't even find that anymore. Has Microsoft given up on this format? If anyone has any thoughts, I would love to hear them.
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Originally Posted by TedTimmis View Post

It is now March 2010, and over a year has passed since this thread began, but the question still remains: Aside from Squeezebox, which receivers or players will play WMA lossless? I just checked the product manuals of all of the leading receiver manufacturers including Onkyo, Pioneer, Yamaha and Denon and the best they can offer is WMA lossless at 320 bps. This really doesn't mean much since most WMA lossless recordings are between 800 and 1100 bps. None mention anything about transcoding or downsizing and many warn that these larger files won't play.

Moreover, from the various forums I've scoured, it appears that even XBox 360 has trouble with WMA lossless. Finally, I remember that Microsoft used to have a webpage listing devices which would play WMA lossless but I can't even find that anymore. Has Microsoft given up on this format? If anyone has any thoughts, I would love to hear them.

I have an Onkyo TX- NR906 AVR and it plays WMA Lossless music straight from my NAS. I've been ripping all of my CDs to WMA using Windows Media Player and the Onkyo's never had a problem playing any of them. When I used the Internet Radio function, the 906 plays WMA Lossless streams from any internet radio station that uses that format.
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by TedTimmis View Post

It is now March 2010, and over a year has passed since this thread began, but the question still remains: Aside from Squeezebox, which receivers or players will play WMA lossless? I just checked the product manuals of all of the leading receiver manufacturers including Onkyo, Pioneer, Yamaha and Denon and the best they can offer is WMA lossless at 320 bps. This really doesn't mean much since most WMA lossless recordings are between 800 and 1100 bps. None mention anything about transcoding or downsizing and many warn that these larger files won't play.

Moreover, from the various forums I've scoured, it appears that even XBox 360 has trouble with WMA lossless. Finally, I remember that Microsoft used to have a webpage listing devices which would play WMA lossless but I can't even find that anymore. Has Microsoft given up on this format? If anyone has any thoughts, I would love to hear them.

Microsoft really screwed up on this over the years. My Pioneer VSX-919 has USB streaming that works very well, but it will not stream WMA lossless. It will stream WMA VBR, however.

I thought the WDTV Live would stream WMA Lossless? Am I mistaken?
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by TedTimmis View Post

It is now March 2010, and over a year has passed since this thread began, but the question still remains: Aside from Squeezebox, which receivers or players will play WMA lossless? I just checked the product manuals of all of the leading receiver manufacturers including Onkyo, Pioneer, Yamaha and Denon and the best they can offer is WMA lossless at 320 bps.

320 bps aint lossless and neither is 320 kbps. These are both lossy formats. I think most media players will play lossy wma files.

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Why is this transcoding a big deal, as long as the solution provides support for playback? You need Squeezecenter anyway to playback local files.

Maybe it aint if you already are running a Windows PC as your server but if you want to run an apple or linux server or one of the higher end NAS boxes which I recall many squeezebox fans telling me was a fully supported option, then youre outta luck.

From where Im sitting lossless wma seems to be a bit of a dead format. Not many media players seems to support it and those that do dont support it as well as other formats. Probably cuz they seem to need a windows box running somewhere to do the translation. I would consider transcoding into a better supported format.
post #14 of 14
Any updates on this? Does the WDTV Live Plus w/ latest firmware, or any other box for that matter, stream lossless WMA w/o conversion?
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