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post #151 of 1361
That will expose the endgrain and will darken when you stain it. Miter it in the middle of the rail/board/footrest at a 45 and you won't see it. The only thing you will see is a line.
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That will expose the endgrain and will darken when you stain it. Miter it in the middle of the rail/board/footrest at a 45 and you won't see it. The only thing you will see is a line.

I am confused. Whats the difference with mitring a 45 and a straight line where they meet like I have now? Either way I will have a seem where two boards meet
post #153 of 1361
Yes, you will. However, the exposed endgrain of your left hand board in the picture will expose the end grain and it will stick out like a sore thumb. If the junction is 45'd you won't see it.
post #154 of 1361
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Yes, you will. However, the exposed endgrain of your left hand board in the picture will expose the end grain and it will stick out like a sore thumb. If the junction is 45'd you won't see it.

Oh i see you mean on the ends......actually I am putting oak corner trim on that so you wont see the seam. Does that make sense? I was worried about the seam on the top (where your feet rest) how noticeable that will be? Whats your opinions of that seam?
post #155 of 1361
I would still 45 it and then use a router and round it over. That way you won't have a sharp edge where the feet will break it off and the stain will match up. If you use a 90 trim peice, it will break off and hold dirt. Just my opinion, I'm not an expert.]
post #156 of 1361
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I would still 45 it and then use a router and round it over. That way you won't have a sharp edge where the feet will break it off and the stain will match up. If you use a 90 trim peice, it will break off and hold dirt. Just my opinion, I'm not an expert.]

My other problem is that the front section of the bar is 9' long so either way I will have a seam somewhere plus its already cut and I dont want to redo it. I have already cut the trim at 45 degrees so it covers the end grain and makes a nice looking corner.......I will have to show further progress and see what all opinions are then....I am nowhere near an expert so it wont take that much to make me happy
post #157 of 1361
Your happiness is what is important.
post #158 of 1361
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Hey I was up in your area last Sunday at Costco in Merreville picking up my seats......just thought I would tell you.....


Wow, that was just past my town. It looks like you got yourself a good deal.

Are you still planning on getting the PT-AX200u?
post #159 of 1361
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Wow, that was just past my town. It looks like you got yourself a good deal.

Are you still planning on getting the PT-AX200u?

Yea that is my plan but plans do change. For the longest time I was going with the Optoma HD65 so we will see when the time comes. ALl the reviews of the Panny are good.
post #160 of 1361
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Yea that is my plan but plans do change. For the longest time I was going with the Optoma HD65 so we will see when the time comes. ALl the reviews of the Panny are good.

I owned the HD70 for 2 years and LOVED it. I sold it to buy the PT-AX200U and I like it even more! I was sensitive to rainbows so the Panasonic solved that problem automatically. I also find the Panasonic to be more cinematic looking, the HD65 more digital. Hard to explain but I hope you get the gist of what I am trying to say. The other thing is that the AX200U will throw a MUCH bigger picture at a given throw distance than the Optoma will. Finally the Panasonic has great lens shift, both vertical and horizontal which makes placement so much easier than the Optoma.
post #161 of 1361
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I owned the HD70 for 2 years and LOVED it. I sold it to buy the PT-AX200U and I like it even more! I was sensitive to rainbows so the Panasonic solved that problem automatically. I also find the Panasonic to be more cinematic looking, the HD65 more digital. Hard to explain but I hope you get the gist of what I am trying to say. The other thing is that the AX200U will throw a MUCH bigger picture at a given throw distance than the Optoma will. Finally the Panasonic has great lens shift, both vertical and horizontal which makes placement so much easier than the Optoma.

Those are preciesely the reasons I changed to the Panny. While the reviews of the HD65 are also stellar and as good as the Panny, the placement of it was going to be difficult. With ceiling of only 7'2" I wanted to mount it all the way to the back of the room (around 17') so it was out of the way and the Optoma wouldnt allow me to do that it was going to have to be hung around 14' for a 120' diagonal screen so that was a big reason for the switch plus I have heard ALOT of good things about the Panny.
post #162 of 1361
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Those are preciesely the reasons I changed to the Panny. While the reviews of the HD65 are also stellar and as good as the Panny, the placement of it was going to be difficult. With ceiling of only 7'2" I wanted to mount it all the way to the back of the room (around 17') so it was out of the way and the Optoma wouldnt allow me to do that it was going to have to be hung around 14' for a 120' diagonal screen so that was a big reason for the switch plus I have heard ALOT of good things about the Panny.

Did you already get it or just made the decision to? You will LOVE it!
post #163 of 1361
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Those are preciesely the reasons I changed to the Panny. While the reviews of the HD65 are also stellar and as good as the Panny, the placement of it was going to be difficult. With ceiling of only 7'2" I wanted to mount it all the way to the back of the room (around 17') so it was out of the way and the Optoma wouldnt allow me to do that it was going to have to be hung around 14' for a 120' diagonal screen so that was a big reason for the switch plus I have heard ALOT of good things about the Panny.

If I can give you one piece of advice (that I wished I listen to) DO NOT HANG THE PROJECTOR until you are done, don't talk about a projector don't look at other peoples projectors etc. LOL I didn't and now I watch it more than I work.
post #164 of 1361
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If I can give you one piece of advice (that I wished I listen to) DO NOT HANG THE PROJECTOR until you are done, don't talk about a projector don't look at other peoples projectors etc. LOL I didn't and now I watch it more than I work.

I couldnt agree more. However, there are times when you need to hang it so that you can do some measurements. I had to do this when I got close to finishing my front wall, so that I could build my screen. Its hard, but when you get your measurements, put it away. And by "away",I mean, box it up and put it out of site!
post #165 of 1361
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If I can give you one piece of advice (that I wished I listen to) DO NOT HANG THE PROJECTOR until you are done, don't talk about a projector don't look at other peoples projectors etc. LOL I didn't and now I watch it more than I work.

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I couldnt agree more. However, there are times when you need to hang it so that you can do some measurements. I had to do this when I got close to finishing my front wall, so that I could build my screen. Its hard, but when you get your measurements, put it away. And by "away",I mean, box it up and put it out of site!

Guys no need to worry here as that is the one thing I told myself prior to starting this build. I havent ordered or even considered ordering the projector. I have only done research on the one that I want and have been monitoring prices waiting for that day that I can get the one I want (currently the Panny pt-ax200u) for a GREAT deal.....until then its work, work work
post #166 of 1361
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Did you already get it or just made the decision to? You will LOVE it!

Just the decision to ...... so far but I may change my mind before i am ready as I already have once. It I could just find it for a GREAT price I would order but so far the best I have seen is $999
post #167 of 1361
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Now onto the bar front...I have it faced in 1/2" Oak on the front and the sides. I plan to add some trim boxes on the front to give some detail to it






I know theres alot of pictures but A) everyone likes pics and B) I know that half are blurry or crappy in some way.
post #168 of 1361
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Now onto the bar front...I have it faced in 1/2" Oak on the front and the sides. I plan to add some trim boxes on the front to give some detail to it

I know theres alot of pictures but A) everyone likes pics and B) I know that half are blurry or crappy in some way.


Now were getting somewhere... A. can never have too many pics and B. have the wife take the pictures already J.K. anyway, keep it up it's starting to look like a bar now. Can't wait to see the progress.
post #169 of 1361
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Now were getting somewhere... A. can never have too many pics and B. have the wife take the pictures already J.K. anyway, keep it up it's starting to look like a bar now. Can't wait to see the progress.

These are all pics that I have stored up and releasing little by little. I may let her take the future pics but shes not much better as the problem is the camera plus I have her busy painting the entire basement (primer coat)
post #170 of 1361
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Alright a little more progress, slowly inching closer to reality here. Here is the Copper instalation progress. I didnt take alot of pics and again some may be poor (I really want to stop adding disclaimers to my pics...lol Anyone with a good digital camera for sale?) The first one is the copper rolled out in place, This is the only one I took pre glue...

Now onto the copper glued in place. I used PL Adhesive and a lamination "J" roller to smooth it out as best I could and even though I used MDF which is as smooth as glass the adhesive still left some bumps in the copper BUT I can fix that....lol



Heres a closeup

And now its on to giving the copper the swirled look......stay tuned
post #171 of 1361
Steve, Didn't you go with 12" wide copper? looks bigger like 24" wide.
post #172 of 1361
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Steve, Didn't you go with 12" wide copper? looks bigger like 24" wide.

No its 12"....It must be the wide angle lens I used on my hi-tech camera Nope still 12" wide.
post #173 of 1361
Looking good, I like your design. I need to come up with a concession/bar counter and your setup is giving me ideas. I would have to do a different top as it wouldn't match my space but stainless steel would work. If not I still like the overall design and I could incorporate a different type of material for the top. Keep up the good work.
post #174 of 1361
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Ok how in the world do people do it. We are in the midst of painting with a dark color (Cocoa Brown-Dutch Boy) and we used 2 coats of Zinnser primer and now have 2 coats of the brown up and you can still see areas of the primer showing through or where the brown hasnt fully covered.....man what gives here. Am I going to have to go with a 3rd or 4th coat or is there another secret? Is it just that dark paints take so much to cover or is it me?
post #175 of 1361
I did a mocha brown in my living and I was able to successfully get good coverage with just 2 coats. My home was fairly new at the time so I basically just painted over the existing paint without priming. Now if I were priming or if I expected to have problems because the color was very dark I would have tinted the primer to the color of the paint.

Hopefully you should be able to get sufficient coverage with a 3rd coat.
post #176 of 1361
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Ok how in the world do people do it. We are in the midst of painting with a dark color (Cocoa Brown-Dutch Boy) and we used 2 coats of Zinnser primer and now have 2 coats of the brown up and you can still see areas of the primer showing through or where the brown hasnt fully covered.....man what gives here. Am I going to have to go with a 3rd or 4th coat or is there another secret? Is it just that dark paints take so much to cover or is it me?

Good luck on this, you do not want to know how many coats I had to put on my office walls when I did it in a burgandy color, I was so frickin mad... so I feel your pain.
Was your primer a grey or white? With darker colors your suppose to use a grey primer at least that is what the sherwin williams rep told me or at least tint it like Oman suggested. I didn't and it took me 6 coats to cover my office which was new drywall with 2 coats of white primer.
post #177 of 1361
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Good luck on this, you do not want to know how many coats I had to put on my office walls when I did it in a burgandy color, I was so frickin mad... so I feel your pain.
Was your primer a grey or white? With darker colors your suppose to use a grey primer at least that is what the sherwin williams rep told me or at least tint it like Oman suggested. I didn't and it took me 6 coats to cover my office which was new drywall with 2 coats of white primer.

HOLY FREAKIN MOTHER OF GOD SIX COATS??????????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We used white primer and didnt tint because we werent sure the final color yet, I didnt even know about grey as a choice. We have 2 coats on now and had to get another gallon (which may be another issue) and are planning coat #3. The coverage is good but there are parts where you can faintly see the white primer or lighter shades of the brown.........Also along the ceilings and other "trimmed" areas it appears to be darker in these spots what did I do? Man this SUCKS!! Back to the other concern.......we originally got 2 gallons thinking that would be enough and it would of been had we not had to do 3 or more coats and didnt think we were gonna have to with 2 coats of primer so I had to get another gallon from Menards.....my concern is that this gallon may have a different tint than the 1st two!! Is this a concern I should have or since its all computerized will I be ok? With the first 2 gallons I mixed them as I went along as to keep the color uniform
post #178 of 1361
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I did a mocha brown in my living and I was able to successfully get good coverage with just 2 coats. My home was fairly new at the time so I basically just painted over the existing paint without priming. Now if I were priming or if I expected to have problems because the color was very dark I would have tinted the primer to the color of the paint.

Hopefully you should be able to get sufficient coverage with a 3rd coat.

Man I hope so. I didnt tint the primer because I didnt know what color we were going with at the time so I figured white would be fine. I am sure a 3rd or 4th coat will be fine assuming that since I had to get a new gallon of paint that its color blends well with the first two???? Any tips on making the trimmed areas blend better with the rolled sections?
post #179 of 1361
I just read your thread and felt compelled to chime in on another Hoosiers build. Looking good.

I love the copper bar top. You commented that there were some bubbles under the copper due to the adhesive, I like the ripple effect if give the copper and if you are going to epoxy over the copper then it might add some interesting texture to the look.

Also my .02 regarding the paint. Having done dark colors several times (usually with a like colored primer) I usually need two coats of the actual color and one coat of primer. One time I did need three coats of color with one coat of primer, but I never had to go six coats sheesh. Regarding the blending of the edges of the cut in and the rolled area I have used a dry wall knife to protect the edge of the trim and allow the roller to get very close to the cut in without touching the trim. The ceiling is trickier due to the texture but it can be done. The ceiling is usually less noticeable just because it is further from the eye.

Good luck and keep it up. Us Hoosiers need to stick together.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #180 of 1361
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I just read your thread and felt compelled to chime in on another Hoosiers build. Looking good.

I love the copper bar top. You commented that there were some bubbles under the copper due to the adhesive, I like the ripple effect if give the copper and if you are going to epoxy over the copper then it might add some interesting texture to the look.

Also my .02 regarding the paint. Having done dark colors several times (usually with a like colored primer) I usually need two coats of the actual color and one coat of primer. One time I did need three coats of color with one coat of primer, but I never had to go six coats sheesh. Regarding the blending of the edges of the cut in and the rolled area I have used a dry wall knife to protect the edge of the trim and allow the roller to get very close to the cut in without touching the trim. The ceiling is trickier due to the texture but it can be done. The ceiling is usually less noticeable just because it is further from the eye.

Good luck and keep it up. Us Hoosiers need to stick together.

Regards,

RTROSE

About damn time you showed up!! Seriously thanks for the visit and valued opinions. As for the copper once I put the swirl texture on it which you will see in the near future(when I get the pics loaded) it actually made the bumps disappear and the ones you still can see it actually gave it a 3-D look to it. I think once it is covered with the envirotex that it will look cool.

Now on to the dreaded paint situation....ARGHHHHH!! Well I went with Zinnser white primer, two coats over a light beige room because I didnt know what color we were using at the time and I also didnt know about using a grey primer as I have never painted a dark color before. So we had two coats of the primer and then two coats of the brown........but as I type this the wife is down there putting coat #3 on and from what I saw it was looking better but it always looks good while wet. Hopefully for her sanity and mine it turns out better when its dry or she may go off the deep end and like a good husband I may be forced to follow. As for the trimmed areas we taped everywhere so to roll up to the edges but trimming near a drop ceiling is difficult. So after two coats I decided it was time to go a different route because I was absolutely hating the edges. I grabbed some litte 3"(i think) foam rollers (w/metal roller handles) figuring that they may give a better finished appearance than a 1 1/2" trim brush as brush marks might have been part of the issue.....we will have to wait and see on this though.........man I really hope this goes better or it could be a long weekend
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