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post #121 of 429
FTP link is used for transferring small files, photos, MP3's etc. You can't transfer 4.7GB files this way as there is a file size limit in the FTP protocol. If you wish to transfer large files from the internal drive to an external drive or PC drive, you can do USB or Ethernet over Netshare. With Netshare you set up a network drive location on a PC and from the R3310 copy files from the internal drive to the external PC drive. I haven't timed transferring files but it does take a while. You have to remember these files are very large. A 30 min show is 2.5 to 4GB depending on bit rate. If you can have a PC close to the unit, USB is faster.
post #122 of 429
Thanks RustyHD. I see now that FTP isn't meant for transferring movie files.

Currently, I have an iomega Screenplay HD that only has a USB port. I can transfer a 4 GB VIDEO_TS folder between the Screenplay and a PC (Win XP) in under 3 minutes. Copying the same VIDEO_TS folder from one PC to another PC over my home LAN (wired) using shared folders takes just under 12 minutes.

Could I expect to copy that 4 GB VIDEO_TS folder from a shared folder on a PC to the R3310 over wired ethernet in about the same 12 minutes? I'm asking this because I read that the newer iomega Screenplay Pro (which I'm also considering) takes about 30 minutes to copy a 4.5 GB DVD folder over its ethernet port. That seems excruciatingly slow.

-Rob
post #123 of 429
Just copied 3.8GB file from internal HD to PC network HD and it took 20 minutes.
post #124 of 429
Thanks for the data point, RustyHD.

So you're getting about 190 MB per minute, while the Screenplay Pro gets about 150 MB per minute. That says the R3310 is about 27% faster than the Screenplay Pro. Nice. Of course, it's still about 40% slower than a PC to PC transfer.

Thanks for your help.

-Rob
post #125 of 429
Rob--

It's also about 50W lower in power consumption than PC-to-PC transfer. You don't get the low power-consumption numbers of the media streamers with GHz-speed clocks. Given their low powers, they do remarkably well and their PQ is fabulous.
post #126 of 429
TPeterson,

PQ?

Your point about the power consumption is well taken. I'm nerdy enough already, I don't need a PC sitting next to my TV to reinforce the point.

By the way, I just ordered an R3310 from Digital Connection, so I'll find out for myself here how well it works.

-Rob
post #127 of 429
Picture Quality.

I think that you'll like it. It's the first one of these streamers that I've actually bought.
post #128 of 429
Rob,

You can transfer large 8+ Gig files via FTP, but it will be very slow. The fastest method will be as a USB drive connected to the computer you are transferring the file from. The next best method is from one computer to the TVIX connected as a usb drive on a second computer with a 1G LAN between the computers. Here are some numbers for a 7.75 Gig file:

Direct computer to TVIX via USB - 5:40 mins (23.36 Meg/sec)
Computer to TVIX as USB on second computer - 8:20 mins (15.88 Meg/sec)
Computer to TVIX via FTP - 39:30 mins (3.35 Meg/sec)

FTP is about 7 times slower than direct USB connection and about 4.7 times slower than the two computer option.

I recommend picking up a 16 ft USB cable. This will give you some range on connecting up the USB. You will want to be able to disconnect the USB when not in use, since the TVIX will not let you do anything else when it is being used as a USB drive or the USB is connected.

When you do try to setup your TVIX for the first time it will probably start up in 720p mode. If your like me and have an older TV that doesn't support that mode, using the TV Out button on the remote will cycle through the different modes on the TVIX. You will see each mode in red on the display.
post #129 of 429
dragonsphere,

Thanks for the additional data points. It's interesting that your FTP transfers run at about the same speed that RustyHD got using Netshare, just under 200 MB/minute. (And your 1Gbps ethernet is very fast, BTW.)

That's an interesting idea about tethering the TViX to a second PC via USB, however, I don't want to put a PC near the TV (SWMBO would not approve). I might try it with something like an IOGear GUIP201 USB Net ShareStation that was written up in SmallNetBuilder last year http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30511/75/.

However, I'll probably just move the TViX over to my computer and transfer the bulk of my movies to it via USB, then put it back by the TV and use the LAN connection as I add individual movies going forward. My ultimate goal is to put all my movies on a big RAID on my LAN and have the TViX play them over the network. Then I'd like to add a second TViX box hooked up to the bedroom TV and have it play movies from the same RAID. But I'm going to start small and see where it goes.

My family-room TV is a four year old Samsung DLP that supports 720p and 1080i, so I expect to get a pretty nice picture even though I don't have any HD content yet. My current iomega Screenplay HD (HD means Hard Drive, not High Def) connects to the TV via HDMI at 720p, IIRC, and the Std Def DVDs look great.

-Rob
post #130 of 429
Certainly one of the great features of this machine is its versatility. I've recently transferred a number of recorded kids shows to our laptop for our kids to watch while on a long car trip. Unfortunately, playing back the TP files on my laptop running vista 64 and using the VLC media player causes my laptop to routinely crash. I even transferred the files to another format and still it crashes. The laptop has never crashed otherwise while my desktop running XP has never had any problems playing these files via VLC. Has anyone else had this problem?
post #131 of 429
wuthrich--

Did you try passing the captured file through MPEG Streamclip, as described in this DViCo FAQ? I don't know for sure, since I haven't tried this, but it seems possible that the "conversion" so performed will improve the stability of your player.
post #132 of 429
Yes, I did that thinking that the problem was with the file but it still crashed. So I'm wondering if there are some issues with VLC on Vista 64 but the VHS movies I copied to the TiVX and transfered to the laptop worked without a problem leaving me completely at a loss.
post #133 of 429
I don't have Vista so I can't comment on that part. When you do the conversion *.tp to *.ts with MPEG Streamclip do you log any data breaks? If so, this is likely where VLC on Vista will freeze up or crash. Converted VHS movies don't go through the tuner, so there wouldn't be a problem.
post #134 of 429
Yes, there are data breaks but I figured that the conversion process would fix them. I think your right that the breaks are probably the source of the problem so I'm looking for a way to fix them.
post #135 of 429
I think that VideoReDo is your friend, although MPEG2Repair may work also. The latter is free, while the former isn't quite that cheap.
post #136 of 429
This is a follow up to some questions i asked two weeks ago about the transfer speeds I could expect with the R3310. Thanks to everyone who responded.

I received my R3310 last week, installed a 1 TB hard drive, upgraded the firmware to 1.5.4, and got it all set up on my network using the TViX Netshare driver. I upgraded to the TViX from an iomega Screenplay HD in order to get network operation and an ATSC tuner and I'm pretty happy with it so far. The user interface is MUCH more attractive than the Screenplay, but the Screenplay does do one thing better; it starts playing a ripped DVD if you press 'play' on a folder containing the VIDEO_TS folder, whereas the R3310 requires you to navigate down two more levels to the VIDEO_TS.ifo file. Not a big deal, though. One cool thing I discovered is that I can connect my Screenplay to one of the R3310's host USB ports, then all the movies stored on it become visible and playable on the TViX.

Getting to the transfer speed numbers...

To get some baseline data points for the TViX, I copied a VOB file (1,073,739,776 Bytes) between my PC (Win XP SP3) and the TViX over a 1Gbps LAN and over USB. The results were:

USB (direct connect):

TViX to PC
1,073,739,776 Bytes in 40 sec (26.8 MB/s)

PC to TViX
1,073,739,776 Bytes in 44 sec (24.4 MB/s)

Wired LAN (via FTP):

TViX to PC
1,073,739,776 Bytes in 4:14 or 254 sec (4.2 MB/s)

PC to TViX
1,073,739,776 Bytes in 4:44 or 284 sec (3.8 MB/s)

I'm happy with these speeds. Basically, if I want to move several movies to the TViX, I'll do it via USB. FTP works fine for copying a single movie over to the TViX once in a while, however, I wouldn't want to copy a lot of movies this way. Also, because my LAN uses DHCP, the TViX's IP address changes sometimes when I power cycle the unit, requiring me to adjust my FTP client accordingly. I should probably change my home LAN to use fixed IP addresses one of these days.

I have no issues playing movies stored on a network drive (via Netshare).

So phase 1 of my experiment is done: Storing movies on a network drive and playing them from a media player located next to the TV. Phase 2 is getting a second network media player for a second TV and playing movies from the same network drive. I'm trying to decide which player to get for the second TV, another R3310, or maybe something like the Popcorn Hour A-110 or ioBox 100HD. SmallNetBuilder just reviewed the ioBox and it sounds pretty good:

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30878/80/

Anyone have any experience running two media players from the same Netshare?

-Rob
post #137 of 429
Rob--

All the routers that I've used have supported reserving IP addresses for specific devices when using DHCP. This has the advantage of not requiring any fixed-IP setup on each device while still nailing down the IP so that you always get the same address on each.

The ioBox is a very nice NMT unit, but suffers from the poor trick-play reliability on TS files that they all have. If you're only planning to play DVD files or pre-edited TS files, so that you don't need to skip around in them, it's a great player.

The big advantage of the R-3310 (besides having PVR capability) over the NMT is its TS file trick play for skipping over uninteresting parts of recordings.
post #138 of 429
TPeterson,

Thanks for the router lesson. I've add the TViX's MAC address to my router's static DHCP client list.

Very helpful comments about the NMT vs. TViX handling of "trick-play".

Thanks,

-Rob
post #139 of 429
Looks like MPEG2 Repair did the trick. I ran one file I was having trouble with through it and it played without a hitch afterward.

Thanks
post #140 of 429
Does anyone know of a program that would let you play ripped dvd's on a laptop the same way they can be played on the 3310, i.e with navigation functions?
post #141 of 429
Have you tried VLC?
post #142 of 429
Yea, all VLC will do will let you find a video file and play it. There are no navigation features and since the video files are all broken up it's virtually impossible to watch the DVD.
post #143 of 429
Actually, recent versions of VLC do play (some) DVD .ISO files, complete with menus.
post #144 of 429
I tried VLC (v1.0.0) and found that it plays ripped DVDs with all menus. There's a trick to it, though, based on whether you want to play an .ISO file or a VIDEO_TS folder:

To play an .ISO file, use:
  • Media -> Open File...
  • then browse to .ISO file.

To play a VIDEO_TS folder, use:
  • Media -> Open Disk...
  • then browse to VIDEO_TS folder.

Then all the DVD menus work with your mouse.

-Rob
post #145 of 429
You can also right-click on the .ISO file in Windows Explorer and use "Open With..." to launch VLC.
post #146 of 429
I got it to work but oddly not quite the same way as everyone else. TPeterson, your last suggestion got me there. I think perhaps all of you are launching the movie from the 3310 and not from the hardrive of another computer because I couldn't find any iso. files. The closest I could find on my laptop hardrive was an ifo. file and that didn't work. If you rightclick on the entire video folder for the ripped dvd, however, and select VLC then it will launch. Thanks again. Or, I should say my kids thank you--now they can watch Shrek III in the car.

BTW. Talking about networking. I've got mine connected via a long USB cable to my computer interrupted by a USB switcher so all I have to do is switch the switcher when I want to transfer files rather than plugging and unplugging the cable. It works pretty well but sometimes the 3310 doesn't alway recognize when the connection is broken by the switcher and I still have to manually unplug the usb from the back of the unit or reboot.

Some of you might want to fool around with the lastest D-link wireless routers. The latest firmware for my unit allows you to connect usb devices to the network. I've fooled around with it and had some success with it as well.
post #147 of 429
The WiFi-G connection is OK for DVDs, but not HD files. DViCo is working on support for WiFi-N, which may also work for HD files (but you may need to get a new WiFi adapter).
post #148 of 429
As I promised in an earlier post, I bought and connected a second network media player to my home network - another TViX R3310. I'm pleased to report that I can watch different movies on both players simultaneously from the same network share. It works exactly how I wanted it to.

In addition, I found a menu setting that lets the TViX play VIDEO_TS folders without having to navigate down to the video_ts.ifo file. That setting is located on the menu here:

Setup -> Misc -> DVD Smart Navigation = Smart

Now I can just press Play on the folder that contains a VIDEO_TS folder and the DVD plays immediately. I no longer have to drill down two levels to play the video_ts.ifo file. A side benefit of this setting is that the top-level folder name is displayed on the TViX's front panel instead of "VIDEO_TS".

So I'm a happy camper. Thanks to everyone who posted here.

-Rob
post #149 of 429
For those who that purchased Beta and want to test the firmware, you can get it here:

http://www.digitalconnection.com/dow...3300_1.8.0.zip
post #150 of 429
Hello Kei,

There was no changelog in the ZIP file, what has changed with v1.8.0?

-Rob
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