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post #91 of 130
Well bought another one so now have dual dual tuners, hope Vista Media center see's them both and it all goes smoothly when it gets here. I already split the signal and tested if they'd still tune in channels, works perfect can't even tell its split.
post #92 of 130
So I finally bought the following configureation:
HD: 40GB SSD
CPU: i5 670
Motherboard: Intel DH57JG
Case: Apex MI-008
Memory: 2GB
OS: Windows 7
Blu-Ray Drive: LITE-ON Black 4X
TV Tuner: Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250

I have been very pleased with the benefits of having a HTPC and the integration with Window 7 Media Center is pretty amazing. However there are two issues I have been trying to solve myself with no luck.

1)The first is an issue getting the Live TV function working without having to go to the Sound configuration. For some reason every time I have the HTPC boot up, come out of sleep, or restart Media Center and then start up Live TV the program shows for a few seconds but then Media Center displays

"Files needed to display video are not installed or not working correctly. Restart Windows Media Center or restart the computer"

The only way to get the Live TV working is to have go into the Sound Configuration and test the Surround Configuration, which gives me sound output is being used by another program which I say ok to then Live TV works. Is there a setting I am missing somewhere? Has anyone run into this issue?

2) The second is getting the Remote IR receiver working. I have installed the Windows driver and the Media Center Kit for the Hauppauge 2250, which I believe includes the IR receiver program because I am able to configure the IR program for a WinTV-HVR-2250 but both the included Remote and my Harmony 700 (Which I programmed for the Hauppauge tuner card) have no affect on my system. There is no response in Media Center. I will be installing the full WinTV7.3 program but I have done this before and my remote still didn't work.

Sorry for the long post but I have tried every setting on the HTPC with no solution.

Thanks in advance for any help.
post #93 of 130
There are a couple of ways to fix your first problem. It is a Microsoft bug that should have been fixed by now, IMHO, because the work-arounds are not very intuitive:
1. Disable navigation sounds in WMC, or
2. Change your speaker configuration to stereo mode. It will still bitstream DD from live ATSC shows, so you'll still get surround from that, but for some other programs where you want the speakers configured as 5.1, you may be revisiting the speaker config many times.

I use a MCE USB IR receiver with my Harmony. I haven't tried using the remote integration with my HVR-2250; can't help you there.
post #94 of 130
So looks like I have a couple of ways to solve the first problem:
The two listed by gorthocar and a third is one listed in a different forum I posted this same post (I thought the more people who read it the more solutions I would get). The third is to update the MEI (Management Engine Interface Driver). I have this installed but for some reason people have seen this same problem, with the board I listed above, when this was not installed. I hope my issue is with the older version of the software. I will post which one provides the best solution.

In regards to the second issue I have. I finally figured it out. Apparently I did not put enough force on the IR connector and it was slightly out, once I push the connector in the WMC controller worked also did my Harmony 700. Then after some programming and device configuration last night I have everything working the way I want it except for 2 things:
1) The issue where I will try the different solutions and hopefully find the best solution thanks for all the suggestions.

2) Having the Harmony 700 have the HTPC into Hibernate mode and come out of Hibernate. The Hauppauge remote only closes and opens Media Center when I press the power button on the included remote, I am sure there is a way to have the HTPC go in and out of sleep, What function should I program the Harmony 700 do? Any suggestions.


Thanks,
post #95 of 130
If you edit your irremote.ini, you should be able to map the power button to a command that sleeps the PC. But I basically map the power button to Alt-F4 and when I press power button, it will close the active application. Pressing the power button on desktop causes window to will pop up a dialog box (mine shows sleep as default), I just press Ok and it sleeps the PC.

There is no way to wake the PC using the IR receiver connected to the card. It is a hardware limitation. Sorry.
post #96 of 130
I have Charter cable TV here in NH and I know that I can get a number of digital HD channels since my LG LCD TV can pull in over a dozen channels (including 4.1 and 5.1 which are the local boston channels plus a bunch of PBS, spanish and other channels in the 79.x-129.x or so).

I can't get my HVR-2250 to find any of the clear QAM channels which I know are there and don't need a cable box.

I've tried searching the channels several times using the WinTV 7.2 app with different settings but it always seems to get nothing. It finds the analog channels OK so the card is basically working.

I want to eventually have MCE (XP) control the card but I figure its better to get Hauppages app to find the channels first then I can try to get MCE to find them.

I downloaded the latest driver: 7.9.1.28162 from June 2010.

Anyone get this thing to find QAM??? What's the Magic?
post #97 of 130
It's been a while since I have done any of this, so I am just going off the top of my head. Take it for what it is worth.

Your first problem is that there is no Clear QAM support in XP MCE. In Vista, it is also unavailable until you install the TV Pack addon. In Windows 7, Clear QAM has native support out of the box.

Unfortunately, this does not explain why you are having trouble with the WinTV app. I only used that app very briefly and it was buggy as hell. I vaguely remember doing lots of auto scans and not finding any QAMs until I found the exact QAM spec that my cable company was using.

The only advice I can offer is that you consider upgrading to Win 7. It really does work well with the 2250 and you can find tons of help setting that up and solving your issues. If you aren't interested in going that route, you probably are better off searching through the XP MCE section of the greenbutton.com or the hauppuage support page. Good luck.
post #98 of 130
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Originally Posted by drzwave View Post

I have Charter cable TV here in NH and I know that I can get a number of digital HD channels since my LG LCD TV can pull in over a dozen channels (including 4.1 and 5.1 which are the local boston channels plus a bunch of PBS, spanish and other channels in the 79.x-129.x or so).

I can't get my HVR-2250 to find any of the clear QAM channels which I know are there and don't need a cable box.

I've tried searching the channels several times using the WinTV 7.2 app with different settings but it always seems to get nothing. It finds the analog channels OK so the card is basically working.

I want to eventually have MCE (XP) control the card but I figure its better to get Hauppages app to find the channels first then I can try to get MCE to find them.

I downloaded the latest driver: 7.9.1.28162 from June 2010.

Anyone get this thing to find QAM??? What's the Magic?

I have the same problem. If I connect a TV to the cable I get 21 Clear QAM channels, if I use Win TV v7 I get 20 Clear QAM channels. With Win 7 (32 bit) Media Center I get 6 channels. I am using the latest driver.

Any know how the make this work in Win 7 Media Center?
post #99 of 130
I have to add the channels manually in Win7 MC. It's VERY annoying.
post #100 of 130
I just set up a new HTPC (really a stock Dell Scratch & Dent) and installed the 2250. I have Wide Open West basic cable (no set-top box) and receive analog stations plus the local digital, Windows 7 Home Premium.

When I went though setup in 7MC it wanted to install two digital tuners first, so I unchecked the second one. I repeated for analog cable and unchecked the first one. I ended up with one digital and one analog tuner configured and am getting all the stations I expected.

Now reading this thread I see that I could have set it up with two of each instead of one of each. Is that correct? If so I'll run setup again. I did have to manually remap the digital channels to the program guide, so I would rather avoid that step again if I can't have "four" tuners.
post #101 of 130
Yes, you could have set it up with 2 of each, but that doesn't mean you could use all 4 at the same time.
post #102 of 130
I will reconfigure it then. I know I can only use two at a time, but it is quite possible I would want to record two analog programs at once. Thanks.
post #103 of 130
Hey all,

I'm looking at getting an HVR-2250 (or maybe two) in the near future. Currently, I have two ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI cards, which are only single tuners. The signal from the antenna is so weak by the time it gets to the tuner cards that I can't split it any further to get more tuners going (I'd really like to have 3+). My question is... is the onboard splitter on the HVR-2250 "amplified" so that I won't lose any further signal strength when it's split? It seems like it would be, but it's important to know at this point. Any insight from owners of the 2250 would be greatly appreciated as I can't seem to find any info on the matter either way. Thanks!
post #104 of 130
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Originally Posted by rage_311 View Post

Hey all,

I'm looking at getting an HVR-2250 (or maybe two) in the near future. Currently, I have two ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI cards, which are only single tuners. The signal from the antenna is so weak by the time it gets to the tuner cards that I can't split it any further to get more tuners going (I'd really like to have 3+). My question is... is the onboard splitter on the HVR-2250 "amplified" so that I won't lose any further signal strength when it's split? It seems like it would be, but it's important to know at this point. Any insight from owners of the 2250 would be greatly appreciated as I can't seem to find any info on the matter either way. Thanks!

There is no indication the 2250 has or does not have an internal splitter. The onboard tuners will work with a normal signal level at the input connector. If you are going to use splitters externally you would most likely need amplification.

I purchased my 2250 to receive Clear QAM channels from Time Warner cable. I am very dissatisfied with its ability to scan for and find Clear QAM channels. I have TV's of 4 different brands at all easy find 21 Clear QAM channels, the 2250 initially finds only 7 and may eventually add a few more. Additionally it lists a huge number of locked channels, after initial scan it counts 388 total channels, at the end of a month it went up to 1482???
post #105 of 130
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Originally Posted by John P View Post

There is no indication the 2250 has or does not have an internal splitter.

From: WinTV-HVR-2250 Product Overview (select "Overview" tab)
"The WinTV-HVR-2250 contains two tuners with a built-in TV splitter. There is one cable TV or TV antenna connector which is split, providing a video source for both tuners."
post #106 of 130
Fortunately, right now, I am only doing OTA ATSC reception on my tuner cards (which will stay the same for the HVR-2250(s) usage) and won't have to deal with the Clear QAM issues. I appreciate the info though.

Anybody have any experience with this? (Whether or not it is an amplified splitter on the HVR-2250 -- or if you lose any signal when it's split.)
post #107 of 130
I don't know if it loses any signal due to the splitter or not. ATSC didn't work as well as I hoped. It wouldn't tune in some of the channels that my TVs and CECBs could get. I removed all of the other equipment from the antenna and I didn't see any improvement. I don't think this tuner card suffers too much from weakened signal strength due to the splitter, I think it's a sensitivity issue.

I have it on FIOS C-QAM now and have no trouble with it at all.
post #108 of 130
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

I don't know if it loses any signal due to the splitter or not. ATSC didn't work as well as I hoped. It wouldn't tune in some of the channels that my TVs and CECBs could get. I removed all of the other equipment from the antenna and I didn't see any improvement. I don't think this tuner card suffers too much from weakened signal strength due to the splitter, I think it's a sensitivity issue.

I have it on FIOS C-QAM now and have no trouble with it at all.

With apologies for a tardy comment - My 2250 works fine in Katy, TX (Houston suburb, 22 miles from the antenna farm) - I have a small outdoor antenna just barely above the fence line (to keep the HOA happy) & feed that signal into a 4X splitter (w/1 unused port terminated w/75-ohm terminator) and running about 80 cable feet to the 2250. It finds everything that our 2 TIVO Premiers find (40+ channels) and never any dropouts.

Somewhere else I'd heard remarks that the front-end sensitivity on the 2250 wasn't anything to write home about, but most TV tuners by their very nature require far more signal than say an FM broadcast receiver, mainly because of the bandwidth of the channel. Compare to your average 150 Mhz 2-way radio that can recover a perfectly usable signal at -120 dbm to a TV tuner that struggles with -20.
post #109 of 130
NOTE: I do not have any subscription TV so my review of this tuner is strictly OTA. There is only 1 NTSC station near me and I merely verified that the FM receiver works, so my review is strictly oriented to ATSC.

I live east of the San Francisco Bay, smack dab in the middle of a cacaphony of strong OTA terrestrial signals.

San Francisco is to the north and San Jose is to the south. I had to remove the reflector screens from my bowtie antennas in order to receive from both directions.

My $40 Zenith digital-to-analog converter box got perfect reception with the 4-bay antenna.

My Hauppage WinTV-HVR 2250 receives all the expected channels, but only with an 8-bay antenna.

Compared to the Zenith, that Hauppage needs twice as much antenna. I consider this disparity in OTA reception between an expensive Hauppage tuner card and a cheap Zenith converter box to be a damning indictment of the Hauppage tuners.

Some of you questioned whether the internal splitter degrades the 2250. This is unlikely. The signal-to-noise ratio (s/n) of any system is almost always dominated by the first active gain stage in the signal path. The splitter only degrades the s/n if it has no amplifier in front of it. The Hauppage certainly has gain before the internal splitter. Something else must be wrong.

But wait, there's more!

For the Hauppage to RELIABLY receive San Jose to the south, I also had to block out the multipath reflections from the apartment buildings to the east. I used the reflector screens to block the multipath. I hung them from the overhang of the balcony, perpendicular to the bow ties.

Finally I obtained performance comparable to a $40 converter box that needed half the antenna and no multipath guard!

This need to double the signal and block out multipath reflections with a separate screen is sad indeed. This is not exactly a vote of confidence for Hauppage design practices. Or could it possibly be the marketing practices that are at fault?

The ATSC tuner in my Hauppage 2250 receives terrestrial signals exactly as poorly as my TIVO HR10-250 DirecTV HD satellite DVR and my RCA DTC100 DirecTV HD satellite receiver.

My DirecTV receivers are ancient, probably 2nd and 1st generation chipsets respectively.

This is not a great advertisement for the Hauppage receiver either. Put plainly, considering that it is allegedly one of the best internal tuner cards on the market, the OTA reception of the Hauppage stinks.

But wait, there's more!

I have Windows XP installed on my PC. I tried the bundled WinTV 7 application that came with the Hauppage 2250. Guess what I found?

Well OK it does tune in all the ATSC, NTSC, and FM channels, but it crashes continually. One tuner only records one program stream. The other tuner only handles one live TV. There is no picture-in-picture. The infrared remote is useless with WinTV 7.
The FM radio reception works but it only receives analog FM.

Oh yes, the composite/s-video capture works also, but apparently only on the main port. The secondary port appears to be completely dead.

So instead of capitulating to the plutocratic don't-you-dare-make-backup-copies-of-your-movies mentality, I decided to spare my CPU the useless burden of encrypting every internal bus with WinDoze 7 DRM madness and installed Mythbuntu instead.

For free, I actually have a working 2-tuner DVR that can record multiple program streams simultaneously. So far I have managed to record 6 different programs all at the same time using 2 tuners that are tuned to stations with 3 or more subchannels each. I also watched an additional subchannel simultaneously so I had 7 program streams being processed simultaneously with no perceptible problems. Those dual onboard MPEG hardware encoders really expand the capabilities of the card, and when the operating system allows taking advantage of them it also allows me to record 60% or more of the PBS television that hits my antenna all simultaneously using just 2 tuners.

I would like to see anyone running WinDoze accomplish this, much less add multiple tuner cards and control them all with frontend/backend modularity the way Myth does.

I am a little disappointed that the program guide crosses up the program descriptions nearly half the time, but so far it has not been much of a problem because the titles tell me most of what I need to know and if there is still a question I can look up on the internet.

I have only been using the OTA guide so far but I know that there is a subscription service for $20 per year. I might try that out once I am satisfied I am done fine-tuning the performance of the rest of the system.

Oh, did I mention the joy of working in a Posix environment again? I have missed it since I retired.

What a joy to have a kernel and a TCPIP socket that never crash. What a joy to kill a process without crashing the window manager. What a joy to restart the window manager without crashing the OS. What a joy to install and uninstall and re-initialize applications without a reboot.

What a joy to actually have some control over the OS as well as more choices than I know what to do with.

What a joy to wave goodbye to cryptic gummed up registry hives buzzing around like bees in my head.

Virus? What virus? It is Linux. You do not get root privileges, script kiddies! You will have to go to college and get a real job if you want to learn how to hack this machine, and by that time you will be too busy bailing your own children out of the slammer to bother me anyway.

My Mythbuntu installation has been running for weeks without a reboot, recording everything I want to watch (and more) the whole time. I am also doing all my web browsing and documentation and mail on the same machine. Without a reboot.

Both ATSC tuners work. That is all that is implemented in the current LinuxTV driver. It is necessary to compile and install the entire module using the links to the scripts that are on the LinuxTV web site.

The 'experimental' or bleeding edge driver apparently has the NTSC tuners working but I did not try it. Why bother? There is only one worthless NTSC station near me and the FM tuner is no better than the analog tuner in my stereo receiver.

The built-in IR receiver and blaster that came with the 2250 do not work at all under Linux (no driver), although there is apparently the option of using a generic or home brew remote control and there may even be a generic receiver card that works with the bundled remote.

I am simply using a wireless keyboard and mouse and that works fine plus it allows me to use my PC as well as MythTV simultaneously on my dual-monitor graphics.

I am satisfied with this solution but only because my signal strength is excellent, I put up an excellent antenna, and I am technically oriented but on a limited budget.

It is my suspicion that, in general, computer tuners have two major problems.

First they are subject to the constraints of size (if they are external USB or firewire dongles) and the constraints of system noise (if they are internal PC cards). These constraints would certainly tend toward poor s/n ratio, poor sensitivity, poor multipath rejection, etc.

Second they are subject to the pressures of the computing marketplace. Profit margins in the PC market are amazingly slim compared to televisions. Would that tempt a manufacturer to off-load all those first, second, and third generation ATSC/DVB chipsets with lousy multipath rejection onto the PC market -- even in the allegedly superior models?

Maybe it is necessary to independently evaluate the tuners before committing to a purchase, if performance is an issue.

Sorry for the lengthy tome. Hope there was something useful in here for you.
post #110 of 130
I'm going to install one of these this afternoon. It's not clear from the instructions whether the aux AV panel MUST be installed. I just want to use the tuner section and don't want to occupy the second "slot" with the aux panel unless it is required.

Can anyone confirm that the tuners work fine without the aux AV panel installed.

Thanks.
post #111 of 130
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Originally Posted by terryj47 View Post

I'm going to install one of these this afternoon. It's not clear from the instructions whether the aux AV panel MUST be installed. I just want to use the tuner section and don't want to occupy the second "slot" with the aux panel unless it is required.

Can anyone confirm that the tuners work fine without the aux AV panel installed.

Thanks.

I don't have the aux panel installed and it works fine.
post #112 of 130
Thanks much.
post #113 of 130
My 2250 doesn't seem to like the OTA signal -- any confirmation that the tuner is less receptive when compared to a tuner in a TV? I've got the same signal piped into a TV and never have a problem. When going through the 2250 on my HTPC the live signal freezes/stutters/etc. I can pipe ClearQAM into the HTPC and it works fine with no stuttering so it indeed seems to be the 2550's tuner sensitivity or what have you.

When looking at the WMC signal meter on one scan it will have full green bars, and then on the next scan it'll be 1 red bar. Frustrating.

Any help is appreciated!
post #114 of 130
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Originally Posted by Triglet View Post

My 2250 doesn't seem to like the OTA signal -- any confirmation that the tuner is less receptive when compared to a tuner in a TV?

I can confirm that. My 2250 doesn't tune some of the weaker channels that my other tuners can.
post #115 of 130
Quote:
Originally Posted by Triglet View Post

My 2250 doesn't seem to like the OTA signal -- any confirmation that the tuner is less receptive when compared to a tuner in a TV? I've got the same signal piped into a TV and never have a problem. When going through the 2250 on my HTPC the live signal freezes/stutters/etc. I can pipe ClearQAM into the HTPC and it works fine with no stuttering so it indeed seems to be the 2550's tuner sensitivity or what have you.

When looking at the WMC signal meter on one scan it will have full green bars, and then on the next scan it'll be 1 red bar. Frustrating.

Any help is appreciated!

+1. Tuners in TV sets pull in weaker signals. In my case, a decent sized rooftop antenna with an amplifier and good quad shield cable and "digital" splitters allows the 2250, older 1600 and HDHomerun tuners to work well. About 22 miles from Mt. Wilson as the crow flies.
post #116 of 130
Okay, glad I'm not the only one -- I'll look into what's suitable as far as an amp is concerned.

Thanks for verifying before I went down that path.
post #117 of 130
Just bought a 2250, and at the same time upgraded my cable TV (had to as cable company is going all digital)

Wish to record the channels that are CLEAR QAM channels; and decoded analog (composite) channels via my COMCAST digital tuner.

My goal:

RECORD CHANNEL 1: any Clear QAM signal coming in on the cable connection. My cable provider COMCAST will continue transmitting some channels in the clear.

RECORD CHANNEL 2: take the signal coming out of my cable company provider DIGITAL TUNER. Convert it to COMPOSITE signal via an external tuner attached to the DIGITAL TUNER, with the tuner feeding the COMPOSITE to the analog input of the 2250. IR blaster will control the DIGITAL TUNER to change channels.

Just hope the IRBLASTER running with WINDOWS MEDIA CENTER will actually map to the channel guide, and change the channel with the IR BLASTER.

Anyone have a setup like this?
post #118 of 130
ktjensen,
My setup is the 2250 set to record the QAM channels and a Hauppauge 150 pci card installed for the analog output of the Comast DTA. WMC setup will see the 2 QAM tuners and 1 Set Top box and map accordingly so you can record 3 channels at once.
post #119 of 130
Unreal, you telling me after all this time the only way to get media center playback with audio is keep switching it every time in the damn control panel...I get audio in everything else even blu ray lossless but windows media center plays for second and stops because of audio confusion. I can switch my audio to stereo and it will work like mentioned in this post but you can't be serious two years later that's the only damn solution... please help.
post #120 of 130
You can disable navigation sounds in wmc instead of changing the audio to stereo. Yes, it is a ****** bug that ms still hasn't fixed.
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