Pioneer KURO New Owner's Thread - Page 13

Congrats How can you torture your daughter so by giving her an LCD, though? What a horrible father you are!!! (Seriously though, wish I'd had a dad like you. And yeah, I think your family totally knows its just an excuse to get it out of the way so you could get the Kuro...)

I'm exchanging my 111 for one without a dead pixel tomorrow, and am about to go through the thrill of new Kuro ownership for the second time in as many weeks. It's a great feeling!!!!

Just a few random thoughts regarding my 5020. Some SD broadcasts look terrible while some look half way decent. Planet Earth looks great and Australia on DVD looked very good played through my BDP-51FD.
I'm using these D-Nice settings:
Picture:

AV Selection: Movie

Contrast: 38

Brightness: -1

Color: -4

Tint: R1

Sharpness: -15
I haven't experimented with the settings much but to my eye, with these settings, the TV is plenty bright enough even in the daytime in a room that gets a good amount of light. That's why it boggles my mind when I hear people say the Kuro's are too dark. Even when I reduce the brightness level to -2 or -3 I still think it's adequately bright..
I also think that Tint looks better at 0 than at R1.
And while I think it looks fine, I'm wondering why the recommended sharpness would be set to the absolute minimum of -15.? Like I said, I haven't experimented much, but I would think increasing the sharpness just a little would be beneficial. Id be interested to know why -15 is the preferred setting.

This is the same sony SXRD LCOS techology they are using in their high end projectors as well as jvc, Only a few companies mastered LCOS (liquid crystal on silicone) This Sony is amazing, I even bought two extra remote controls for it, seriously great natural color, I'm just betting the 151 Pro will be better although I have never ever seen one. I've seen last years pro and 6010 model, so maybe someone can tell me what I'm in store for, I just bet on the come so to speak.

If you liked the 6010 I will bet you will like the 151

Did you see this post? I think people take 'recommended settings' too literally. TV settings are such a subjective thing because two people will rarely agree on the same exact settings for all adjustments. Just use what looks best to you.

Yes I did see that post and I agree that the recommended settings should be just a starting point. It just surprises me that the recommended sharpness setting would be the lowest possible setting.

It surprises me as well. But that goes back to what I said about settings being so subjective. Apparently he prefers his TV to look a bit on the "soft side". Ordinarily I do as well, if the picture is grainy and snowy, like many SD channels are. But once the signal is clean and pure, like on HD, I then like it to be as sharp as possible, but without showing any "too-much-sharpness artifacts".

Maybe at the time those "recommended" settings were posted he didn't have a lot of HD content.

I'd like to find a setting that works pretty well for everything with the most emphases going to HD content.
What sharpness setting are you using in Movie mode?

You may wish to try one of these two settings....I borrowed and modified from others for my 9G Kuro 6020:

Picture:
AV Selection: Movie
Contract 36
Brightness -3
Color -3
Tint 0
Sharpness -15
Pure Cinema
FilmMode: Advance
Text Optimization: Off
Energy Save: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2
Room Light Sensor: Off

To my eyes...color accuracy and flesh tones are more realistic with these settings on my set.
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If you wish for a little more punch. The best result I've gotten so far is using Standard with the following settings:

Contrast = 36
Brightness = +2
Color = +2
Tint = Green 2
Sharpness = -10
Movie mode = Standard
Orbiter = 2
Pure Cinema
Film Mode: Standard
Energy Save: Mode 2
Orbiter: Mode 2
Room Light Sensor = On (Just for Kicks)

The room enviroment is light control (i.e. dark as night when needed). The sources are DirecTV-HD DVR HR21-700, Panasonic Blu Ray BD-55, Toshiba HD-AX2. I watch only HD...which if you have a Non-Elite is a 9 on a scale 10 for overall HD picture quality. I have had previous sets calibrated (Pioneer Pro Elite 1150) and they do not compare to this uncalibrated 6020.

Bottomline, no matter the model.....Enjoy your 9G Kuros!

Mine is not even hooked up now and it's still in its temp location. I've been rewiring all the CATV lines around here. But from what I remember it was definitely on the + side, I think around +7.

Hey Clint, I have been watching mainly Cox HD channels, but some SD as well. Picture is great, just thought I would like a little more crispness, so I will try the Sharpness control again. You are right about the recommended settings being a good place to start and tweak from there. There are so many options to the tweakability of this set, it may take awhile to get it fully adjusted. The other thing I want to try and adjust is seeing if I am not getting a little bit of black crush with D-Nice's settings. Each 111 is a little different from the other so some tweaking seems logical. Eventually, I will try ControlCal, but that is for another day. Black crush can be adjusted with the contrast or brightness control, correct?

Thanks for the help.

I remember reading that -15 turns the sharpness OFF. I think the idea is the sharpness control introduces artifacts that are not present in the original source, whatever that may be. In other words it ARTIFICIALLY enhances the picture.

That is what I was thinking as well. I did not want to introduce any artifacts, but I am going to play with the setting to see if it improves the picture any (to my tastes anyway).

Hmmmm. That's interesting, and it makes some sense, although by my logic it would seem that the sharpness would be turned off at the zero setting.
Oh well. Like I said, -15 looks pretty good to me but if I can get even more detail without introducing artifacts I'd like to do that.

Yeah, I too would think that -15 would be "artificial", taking away from the original source, and "0" would be no sharpness processing at all.

Yes, on mine I can see all detail in grays and blacks, which just depends on the brightness & contrast settings. If there is some kind of a "problem" with dark details that brightness & contrast can't fix, with ControlCal you can get some additional gamma adjustments.

If you get yourself the disc Digital Video Essentials (DVE), it has a test pattern where you can verify that the lowest sharpness setting (ie -15) turns the control off and 0 is the mid point.

Thank god I am blind and deaf!

I got my 500m today. It's beautiful! After reading the threads about DSE and buzz I was worried I would get one of the two issues to the point it would be annoying. I have come to the conclusion that my tv may have one issue or both but if it does....being blind and deaf has saved me from the annoyance!

Going to be setting up my stand and speakers Saturday, any specific caveats or things that people wish they would have done differently doing their stands and speakers? There is always a learning curve in assembling anything, especially something like this, any thoughts would be appreciated

My 111FD arrived today. My local BB sold it to me for $2499. The only glitch was that the digital tuner would freeze on channel 13. Great. On a hunch I checked the Software Version and it was 0904-0201. I updated the firmware and that cured the problem. I still can't believe I got it for 50% off...

Congrats on your new TV, Div2! That's a killer deal. What version did you update the firmware to?

Keithr: congrats on your TV as well. I maintain my jealousy of all 151 owners, so I'm trying not to be too happy for you. If you follow the instructions in the manual for assembling the stand you should be A-OK. One thing to note about the speakers is that they can be adjusted slightly upwards or downwards so that you can line them up precisely with the top and bottom of the panel. Assembly is pretty darn simple!

To my knowledge there's only one FW update, that's 0904-0401.

well you would be wrong.....its been stated here quite a few times .even by dnice that a negative 15 turns the sharpness control off and adds no edge enhancements.......ive found i can go as high as about -12 b4 i start to notice edge enhancements... also to the other poster that asked about black crush......that would be your brightness control....

wrong controlcal gives you the ability to adjust the greyscale....there are no gamma adjustments...... lots of misinformation in this thread

I am not alone in thinking that. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16180967 I didn't say I believed that was the case, I said "I would THINK.....", that's using the "logic" of the settings. I was not denying that's how it worked, I was only pointing out it didn't agree with logic.

As "basavitz" mentioned; the logic of them would ordinarily indicate that "zero", "0" is not adding, nor, taking anything away from the intended original content. Moving to a "minus" side, would logically ordinarily mean subtracting from the original content.

Look at the brightness, contrast, color, and tint settings. On those, the "0" or median level is not adding nor taking anything away. If you put any of those on the extreme minus side, that's obviously not the intent of the original content. So the sharpness control's behavior goes against that logic of the other settings.



Both contrast and brightness can affect black crush. Crank up the contrast to the + side, or - side depending on content, and watch what happens to the details in blacks.

There certainly are gamma adjustments.
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/show...78&postcount=2
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/show...ighlight=gamma
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/show...ighlight=gamma
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/show...ighlight=gamma
And many more. (This is on the Elites, since that's what "basavitz" asked about). So if you want to talk about "misinformation".......

You might want to add none of those work on non elite displays..

Right, I edited the post.

OK, stupid question time! And I have searched (a little)

What is meant by "black crush"?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=883905

Burying of shadow detail because the video system does not achieve visible differences among what should be different shades of very dark gray.
http://www.cockam.com/vidglos.htm#StartB