Ok narrowed it down to 3 Aperion,Energy veritas, and axiom. So which one help.

I have Aperions and find them to be an excellent product. The upgrade policy is very handy when you decide you want something bigger.

I too am considering Axiom or Aperion.... can u elaborate on the upgrade policy; please?

Thxs

From the date of receiving the speakers for Aperion you have a year in which you can upgrade the speakers to a different model and get what you fully paid for on the current speaker towards that upgrade. Hope that helps. I should be getting my Aperions today!! Can't wait.

WOW! What a deal! Please post back with your feelings on the Aperions! What receiver R U using? Thxs

I'm running my Aperions off an Onkyo 876, and I love mine. Their customer service alone is worth the purchase, in my opinion. But it doesn't hurt that they have great speakers, as well.

I'm VERY happy with my purchase, and like many, broke down my boxes quickly. No chance I was sending them back.

As for their upgrade policy, it's definitely great (though it should be pointed out that their subs don't qualify, so get what you want right away), but I have a feeling that when I "upgrade," I'll simply buy more speakers from them and re-purpose the other ones to another room, or into a 7.1 setup.

If you want to see pics, a link to my setup is in my signature.

I can't comment on the other options, as I've never checked them out, but after my great experience with Aperion, I haven't needed to. Good luck on your decision making!

My wife usually cannot tell the difference between high-end and low-end components and doesn't realize why I spend so much money to update equipment. When we were looking for speakers 5 years ago she went with me and surprisingly after hearing the Veritas she was firm on her choice that we get the Veritas. I say surprisingly because the 5 speaker Veritas system we got with the 2.4s as the mains was 3 times our original planned price budget. My wife fell in love with the sound of the speakers and removed any budget constraints and we still have the Veritas in place and even added two more 2.0Rs to the system this past month.

The Veritas just has such a nice clear detailed smooth transparent sound that seems to float in the air.

Although I haven't auditioned speakers in a long time so I couldn't give you a good comparison I wanted to add my 2 cents regarding my experience with our Veritas.

Which mains were you looking at?

Haven't heard the Energy Veritas but between Axiom and Aperion there is no comparison. Aperion beats the Axiom hands down both in sound quality and in build quality.

I don't own either because I do all my speakers DIY. I've taken the Axiom M3 apart and was shocked at what I found. Just a couple days ago I had the opportunity to visit Aperion and audition their speakers. I didn't get to tear one apart but they did have a cut away display and I can tell you there is simply no comparison between Axiom and Aperion. The Axiom didn't even have a proper crossover whereas the Aperion did. Also, the cabinets of the Aperion use much heavier material and thus have much lower resonance. The M3 looked cheap in general whereas the Aperion looked high-end. The Axiom drivers especially the woofer looked and was very cheap. Holding it in your hand you could tap the frame and hear it ringing. You could also sweep tones on it and hear the frame ring. The Aperion drivers were much better.

If I were not into DIY and was going to buy speakers my first choice would probably be Usher Audio but if cost were a factor then I would definitely consider the Aperion. I wouldn't even consider the Axiom an option. Aperion and Axiom are in two completely different leagues!

mk

What do you guys think the sound will be paring Aeperion to the Yamaha RXZ-7? I recently upgraded to this receiver ( I know speakers should be first). I like deep; tight bass! Think Metallica; God Smack, Pantera, etc. My listening/viewing is 75% movies; rest music. Thxs!!

If you're going to go with the Veritas, Audio Advisor (authorized Energy dealer) has some great deals:

V2.2i bookshelves for $899/pr (that's 50% of msrp!):
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...NVEV2.2I%20BLK

V2.0Ci center for $425:
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...NVEV20CI%20BLK

You can also get the dedicated stands for the 2.2i (but only in cherry, open box) for $169:
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...=0ENVE20STACHE

With the savings on those 2.2i bookshelves you could get a monster sub to fill out the low end.

The tower speakers (2.3i and 2.4i) are pretty tough to find online, your best bet is to search Energy's dealer database and see if there is a dealer/installer near you who could arrange an audition. If you are willing to buy demo/used you can search Audiogon:
http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/srch_fs.pl

I would recommend you give Axiom a try, it doesn't hurt, especially if there is someone nearby that is willing to give you an auditon, costs nothing, simply check out Axiom's forum in the Hearing Things section for some one nearby. You can also call Axiom to see if they could set up an audition for you. You never know you may just find you like the cleaner sound of an M22 or M2, similar to Paradigm Studio 20s, IMO, or the M60/M80 if you are looking for floorstanders, which I think you might as you say you are looking for rich deep bass, not something I associate with bookshelf speakers, at least not true deep bass, some sound like they hve more bass but in reality it is a depressed mid or higher end that gives the impression of deeper bass. Throw a good sub with a good bookshelf and you have pretty much the same sound as a floorstander with, IMO, deeper tighter bass than with a floorstander alone.

Well I got them this morning and all I can so say far is wow. I don't know if they look better or sound better. I am using a Yamaha HTR 5560 and so far I agree with Roger That the boxes are already being broken down. Hassle free shipping both ways and return within 30 days if you don't like them that is unbeatable. Not to be a fanboy already but I hope you give the Aperions a shot.

as this poster noted, if you are looking for "natural and smooth in the mid and hi end" then you should keep the Veritas in mind. The Veritas are most famous for their incredibly clear, smooth, and transparent top end. Energy aims for neutral tone, flat response with wide dispersion as a design philosophy. The tweeter/mid module (the convergent source module or CSM) is supposed to be just amazing. Check out some reviews:

http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/energ...2_1594crx.aspx

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/e...ritas_v24i.htm

Of course, at this price range I would imagine most speakers will have awesome top end. At least I would hope so!

In the price range of the veritas there are alot of very good speakers, focals, Paradigms etc.

right -- best idea is to GO LISTEN FOR YOURSELF! If you are going to drop that much coin on some speakers, you can be sure that they will ALL be pretty darn good. What matters is which sounds good to YOU.

Exactly!!!

Take all suggestions to heart but remember only YOU can decide which is the right speaker for you.

Another vote for the Veritas. 50% is an amazing deal for Energy's top of the line.

Veritas are the best of that lot. But they're closing production of that line and the centre channel is very unspectacular (should you be building a home theatre).

veritas for the win

I've owned various Axiom models over the last 5 years. I was planning on ordering a pair of B&W 703's 5 years ago, but after auditioning some M60s' I was sold. One of the best bang for the buck in audio. Don't be discouraged by some comments above about the inner workings/design, simply not true.

I currently own M80v2's, VP150v2, 4 x Qs8's, EP600 sub, and 2 x EP350v3 subs.

Sorry if I offened Sirquack, I just report what I find. I did once hear that the M3 I tested is not one of Axiom's better products and that higher end models do have better crossovers. What disappointed me most about that experience is that based on technical information on their web site I had very high hopes, perhaps too high. Finding that dinky little 1st order network on the tweeter and nothing on the woofer simply wasn't what I was expecting.

As for their using low cost drivers, that can be ok. Realistically, the Dayton Classic 6.5" woofer is only slightly better than the Axiom and the Dayton and Axiom tweeters are probably about the same. Some very impressive designs have come from the DIY community using the Dayton drivers so while the Axiom drivers may be cheap, that doesn't mean they could not have made the M3 a good speaker. They chose not to put fourth the effort I assume to cut cost. From their web site it's very clear they have the knowledge and could probably build a fantastic speaker so my expectation was that they would be making the most of inexpensive hardware in an effort to offer a quality product at an affordable price. As you stated, "one of the best bang for the buck in audio" is what I was expecting. Maybe I just need to evaluate the M60 or M80.

So again, sorry if I offended. I see the Axiom models you own are higher end models than the M3. Given that it should be possible to make a decent speaker out of their drivers then perhaps they have in these models.

mk

Axiom's drivers appear to be very capable what is it about them you think is bad besides the basket.

Non linear distortion is a little higher than I would like but the bigger issue with the M3 was the lack of a crossover on the woofer. It had some resonance problems at a few KHz that should have been both notched and filtered by a crossover. As for the frame, I really didn't like hearing it ring while sweeping the driver. You could hear it as it passed through resonances of the frame. Probably coating it with some sort of paint or spray on damping material would help that.

Overall I would say if you braced the cabinet, coated the woofer frame, and designed a proper crossover for it the M3 would sound ok. Problem with that is you could optionally buy the BR1 from Parts Express which is similar in size, uses a slightly better woofer, comparable tweeter, already has the proper crossover, and is half the price. Note..."some assembly required", the BR1 is a kit.

mk