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post #1351 of 3340
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

Hi,

I just want to let everybody know, that after heaving problems with my Parasound C2 in and out for a year, thanks to Richard, and people from here, the Parasound service here replaced the plastic housing with the crimped connectors, and soldered the cables directly to the PSU, and everything is working fine now for the past few days. So remember, if anyone has problems with P7/C1/C2/etc. ( they all use the same PSU as far as I know, if it acts crazy, check the wires on the PSU connected with the plastic housing!!!!! smile.gif

Thanks in advance,
Gustav

I've had a problem with my P7...First they thought it was the RS232 circuit, so one was sent here and it was repaired locally.
That lasted for 2 weeks, then the controls locked up again..
So Richard then thought it was a wire harness, for the same reason you have mentioned. They sent me a slightly different one, I installed it and it worked for a week, then locked up again. Then started working again after about another week. Then locked up again.
So now I'm suppose to send it back to SF to be checked out.
post #1352 of 3340
Mine had problems like you were able to hear arc building sounds, clicks, etc sonit was definitely some power delivery/contact problems. These sounds are all gone now, because we soldered every wire directly to the PSU. smile.gif
post #1353 of 3340
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

Mine had problems like you were able to hear arc building sounds, clicks, etc sonit was definitely some power delivery/contact problems. These sounds are all gone now, because we soldered every wire directly to the PSU. smile.gif
With my P7, the digital controls will just lock up...go to change inputs, volume, balance, etc. and nothing will happen.
Disconnect for for a few days, turn it back on and it will work for a week or so.

I just sent an email to Richard about your post...and that I might just cut off those plastic housings and solder the wires myself. Otherwise it is at least 12 weeks, there and back and repair time. And then there is the question of when it comes back does it clear customs, or does someone get sticky fingers in the customs office? Been known to happen.
post #1354 of 3340
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

I would think that is exactly it. A small amp, say 100w is one thing. But 220, 250, 400w is something entirely different.

For all of the rest of my gear, I only use a surge protector. Years ago, just for curiosity, I picked up a middle range Monster conditioner from BB. And only b/c of the 30 day return policy. So for those 30 days I had that conditioner in/out of the circuit. And at NO time could I see/hear an improvement with the conditioner in the circuit.

I took it back after 30 days and got my money back. The guy asked why I was returning it, I told him it did not improve the audio or the video. He tells me, well it will still protect your gear from spikes. I told him I could do that with a $40 surge protector, so why would I want to spend $500.

I too had all hooked up through a surge protection bar. We once had a short duration power outage, at which time the power supply on my desktop failed and our electronic stovetop stopped working.

When purchasing a new power supply for desktop I was advised by the computer repair person that the surge bar(Belkin, same one on home theatre gear), doesn't react fast enough. Went on to say the damage usually happens when power goes out, not when it comes back on. They recommended a high end solution from apc to power computer.

Whether that info was accurate or not, or just upsale jargon I don't know, but it convinced me I needed more protection for my home theater gear. I've had the two monster conditioners(1800 and 2550) for a couple of years now and had no problems with any of my gear, nor has anything in my household been through any sort of surge damage since mind you. That is my reasoning for the power conditoners, not sound improvement.

Like I said I was concerned powering the 5250 amp's current requirements through that monster 1800 conditioner. Will it some way choke the amp, or worse will it trip the circuit breaker in the conditoner in high demand current loads?

Regards,

A1
post #1355 of 3340
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

I've got another problem, maybe someone can help us out again.
With the Halo D3 or D200 DVD/SACD player, we are heaving problems playing newer made (produced ) discs, no matter if its original, or CD-R, if it was manufactured after around 2009, it wont play, or if it starts to play, it sometimes skips 30 seconds and has problems. If we put old discs into the unit, it just plays fine... :S we were able to check this with 2 units, and another original new one , right out of the box, and they all behave the same.
I almost always play commercially available CD's, SACD's, DVD's etc on my Oppo BDP-95 and it has never choked on any disc I've thrown at it. I am not aware of any manufacturing changes with optical disc's in recent years. All disc's have to meet the same manufacturing standards so I doubt there would be.
Edited by davee70 - 2/3/13 at 1:39pm
post #1356 of 3340
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

A few days ago some of us were discussing the benefits(?) of XLR vs RCA cables. I believe it was 4DHD that mentioned that in some instances they could actually cause a slight degradation in sound quality. With my recent addition of the Halo A-31 amp that allows XLR inputs from the C-2 controller and the fact that the Oppo BDP95 I have also has XLR outs, my curiosity got the best of me and I ordered up some cables from Blue Jeans just to see for myself. After hooking up the new cables and re-balancing speaker levels, my observations were as follows. But before that I first have to mention that the Oppo has both RCA and XLR outputs that both run off the improved audio circuitry utilizing 4 stacked SABRE32 Reference ES9018 from ESS Technology DACs for the dedicated stereo outs. With this configuration and the fact that I have the RCAs plugged into the 7.1 channel inputs on the C-2 as well as the XLRs plugged into the balnced inputs, it allowed me to do an A/B listening test as both the 7.1 RCA and XLR inputs are analog bypass on the C-2.

Listening to a whole host of what I consider to be excellent, clear and articulate recordings, I found that the XLRs slightly more edgy on my system. The low end seemed to be just a hair more defined but high frequency sounds like bells and cymbals were just a miniscule tad more edgy and ever so slightly less pronounced. The C-2 manual states that the s/n ratio is a full 9db higher(>107db) on the 7.1 inputs than the(>98db) analog(XLR) inputs so that could be a bit of what I'm hearing. Neither the XLRs or RCAs present any noise what-so-ever so any noise reduction gain realized by XLRs in my case is not an issue.

I had really hoped that these cables would give me another shot of audio improvement but to the contrary, with my setup I actually prefer the Blue-Jeans RCAs to the XLRs.

I have subsequently packaged them up and will be returning them on Monday.
Sorry you don't like the cables. Blue Jeans has a terrific return policy so you have nothing to loose by ordering from them. I use both the RCA and XLR stereo out on my BDP-95 to my P7 and I prefer the balanced connections. Both are Blue Jeans cables, BJC LC-1 and Belden 1800F.

EDIT: The Belden 1800F cable is nothing much to look at but it is a pro-quality cable that is widely used by professionals. The LC-1's are much more substantial owing to the extra shielding necessary when you only have a single ended output. Balanced cables don't need all that extra shielding, which is why the single ended cable market is what it is. Looney.
Edited by davee70 - 2/3/13 at 1:43pm
post #1357 of 3340
I apologize for the successive posts but I just wanted to say that I was told by an electronics technician a number of years ago that you have to pay at least $100 for a surge protector or else it's junk. Me, I ended up getting an APC H15 power conditioner which I've used to power my whole system, everything, with no trouble at all. It has a pair of high current outputs for an amplifier and subwoofer. Since my subs are driven by Class D amplifiers, I figure I have that much extra current available to drive my A51.
post #1358 of 3340
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Originally Posted by davee70 View Post

That's interesting because the Parasound manual for my A51 states "We recommend that you plug your A 51 into the same AC wall outlet or power strip that powers your other audio components, especially the preamplifier or system controller. Having all the audio components on the same power circuit helps prevent hum caused by possible ground loops." And that's how my system is set up. I certainly don't find it wanting. But if you can get away with it without any hum, then why not? As for running two power conditioners in series, if I understood the post, I am doubtful. Certainly one should not connect surge protectors in series and most power conditioners include surge protection, or what would be the point? But you're saying the PS Audio can be run back to back? How is that?

PS Audio designed the Soloist in wall conditioner to be stand alone or as the foundation for there Power Plants or Duet or Quintet conditioners, this does not apply to other conditioners out there but is a recommended setup for there line. I have recently added there Dectet to my gear and I currently have it on the same line as the A21 which is pluged straight to Soloist with the Dectet powering the recently installed Marantz 8801 and Oppo 105 My Soloist is on its own 20amp 10awg line, I have my KK DXD12012sub ,73" Dlp, Anthem mca 30 amp and cable box on my Quintet on its own 20amp 12awg line. The result of the doulble conditioning is futher noise reduction greater transparency and a very appreciable increase in dynamics with limit of current. prior to this configuration I had only the A21 on the Soloist and all else on the Quintet on its own line. Not bad Huh!biggrin.gif
post #1359 of 3340
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Originally Posted by davee70 View Post

Sorry you don't like the cables. Blue Jeans has a terrific return policy so you have nothing to loose by ordering from them. I use both the RCA and XLR stereo out on my BDP-95 to my P7 and I prefer the balanced connections. Both are Blue Jeans cables, BJC LC-1 and Belden 1800F.

EDIT: The Belden 1800F cable is nothing much to look at but it is a pro-quality cable that is widely used by professionals. The LC-1's are much more substantial owing to the extra shielding necessary when you only have a single ended output. Balanced cables don't need all that extra shielding, which is why the single ended cable market is what it is. Looney.
You and I are running almost identical audio components with the one difference being your P-7 vs my C-2. Glad you are enjoying your XLRs. I was quite surprised in my situation that there was the ever so slightest degradation in sound quality as the 95 XLR outs have a much higher s/n ratio compared to the dedicated stereo outs.

One thing I didn't mention in my OP was the fact that I also heard this quality difference when swiching between the XLR to RCA cables that run from my C-2 to the A-31

Oh well, I'm sure Blue Jeans will be most gracious in accepting my return for a refund.

BTW, I love their LC-1 cables.
post #1360 of 3340
Getting a pair of black A23s for surrounds to support my mcintosh mc205. This will be my first halo amp. I ordered an a52 last week that was DOA. Hopefully these new ones will power up!
post #1361 of 3340
Are there any plans from Parasound to release a HD audio pre?
post #1362 of 3340
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Originally Posted by Nima View Post

Are there any plans from Parasound to release a HD audio pre?
Parasound already has the Zdac that one would put between a computer and a pre-amp for 96/24.
post #1363 of 3340
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Originally Posted by Nima View Post

Are there any plans from Parasound to release a HD audio pre?

They announced one a few years ago (C3?) but cancelled it later on... Seems that technology moves too fast for smaller companies to keep pace
post #1364 of 3340
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

They announced one a few years ago (C3?) but cancelled it later on... Seems that technology moves too fast for smaller companies to keep pace
They had problems with that platform. which is why Richard dropped it in '10.
It was either Emo or Outlaw that was using the same platform, and decided to release it anyway...bugs and all.
post #1365 of 3340
Unfortunately i didn't have enough to order my parasound equipment today with my income tax....but that doesn't mean i won't have them by the end of summer wink.gif
post #1366 of 3340
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Originally Posted by Nima View Post

Are there any plans from Parasound to release a HD audio pre?

Look for a P5.

post #1367 of 3340
Any issues stacking A23s on top of each other?...they'll be running surround sides and rears...
post #1368 of 3340
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Any issues stacking A23s on top of each other?...they'll be running surround sides and rears...

Use some kinda spacers, to raise the one on top. which is what I do with multiple components on one shelf. I've got my P7 sitting on top of my HK avr, using 1 1/4" tall plastic jar caps, and my Marantz TT sitting on top of the P7. Could also use 4 hockey pucks.
post #1369 of 3340
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Use some kinda spacers, to raise the one on top. which is what I do with multiple components on one shelf. I've got my P7 sitting on top of my HK avr, using 1 1/4" tall plastic jar caps, and my Marantz TT sitting on top of the P7. Could also use 4 hockey pucks.

Excellent, thank you.
post #1370 of 3340
It might not be necessary to space them depending on the speaker load and volume levels. You could run them for an hour and see how warm to the touch they are, if they are too warm to the touch, then space them out.
post #1371 of 3340
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Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

It might not be necessary to space them depending on the speaker load and volume levels. You could run them for an hour and see how warm to the touch they are, if they are too warm to the touch, then space them out.

Ill do a test run when I get them this week...kind of excited, always wanted a halo amp and when I saw they came in black I had to give it a try
post #1372 of 3340
^lucky
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post #1373 of 3340
Do be careful

Halos run quite warm, due to their running Class A for the first few watts. I agree with the poster who said to use spacers. Plus, at least on my A51, the vents are all on top, so dont block them too much,

You should be OK if you're careful though, and I bet they'll sound great. Mine sure does!

Enjoy, and keep us posted. smile.gif
post #1374 of 3340
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Getting a pair of black A23s for surrounds to support my mcintosh mc205. This will be my first halo amp. I ordered an a52 last week that was DOA. Hopefully these new ones will power up!


I recently saw an A21 in black, I like the look better than my silver one. This must be a new option. It's actually funny, when the Z-dac came out I was very excited but I am not a fan of the Z series in black with the mounting fins, but I like the A21 in black. Go figure.




post #1375 of 3340
I bought mine almost a year ago, in silver. If I had the option, I'd get black myself, they look awesome!
post #1376 of 3340
Personally, I'm partial to the silver Halos. It might have something to do with the fact that the Halo A-31 I recently purchased replaced an HCA1205 that was black. Maybe after looking at that black amp for 12 years I was ready for a change.
post #1377 of 3340
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

Personally, I'm partial to the silver Halos. It might have something to do with the fact that the Halo A-31 I recently purchased replaced an HCA1205 that was black. Maybe after looking at that black amp for 12 years I was ready for a change.

I hear that. I've had the black HCA2205A for 11 years and I really like my silver P7 the past 3 years. From where the seating is the 2205 can not be seen, as its behind the center column, with the subs.
But the P7 sits proudly on top of a HK AVR3600 which is two tone. and a white Marantz TT sits on top of the P7. All on a glass and silver stand.
post #1378 of 3340
Chalk me up as a vote for the Black. The silver looks classy, but black simply will match the rest of my components. Thats why I currently have the New Classic Line. Yes, I admit that visual aesthetics are impotant to me even though its suppose to be about the sound.

What I am really excited about is the new HALO P-5 preamp in black with Home Theater Bypass. I think I know what my next upgrade will be. Does anyone know where I view specs on the preamp? I am interested in knowing how well its output section will match up with my New Classic 5125 power amp. My plan is to get the P-5 first, then a HALO power amp in black later. Kal?
Edited by Paraneer - 2/7/13 at 6:43am
post #1379 of 3340
^^^^Until Parasound puts it on their website, no one knows about the P5.
post #1380 of 3340


Found this on a website....that matte black is sexy!
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