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post #1411 of 3342
probably but since i don't have world class gear, i'll pass lol.
post #1412 of 3342
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

I wonder how much better it would sound compared to something like the Oppo BDP105. Do you think it would be worth the additional $3300.00 bucks? For an extra grand you can take the 105 and have Modwright fix it up for ya. Now we're down to a $2300.00 difference.
Of course that is a question that packs allot of personal variables such as how good is your hearing and do you have allot of expendable cash on hand.
At any rate, it sounds like the CD-1 is going to be a world class player.

The only way to know, is to listen to the CD1.
And how does the CD1 compare to the Marantz SA-11S3, which is $4000. And how do they compare to the Oppo.

What I do know, is that a CD player is not just a transport, and thus makes makes no difference. Which is what many on AVS tried pushing a few years back. If that were true, the Sony CD player I bought in '93 would have been good.
Instead, it was junk, terrible sound. The Denon 1930ci I've got is better than anything else I have used for CDs. If the Denon is as good as the Oppo players, I doubt it.
post #1413 of 3342
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Reading on the New Classic series, I never figured they were are good as the old HCA series.
Although, I can tell no difference between my HK Citation 19 and my HCA2205A. So I use the 19 to power my mains.
And I really like having the Halo P7 as my pre.

And having auditioned the Prelude MTS, I can say you have a find set of speakers.
Infinity has not made a speaker as good since.

Hello,
The Halo Series Power Amplifiers are almost entirely based off of HCA Series ones. The Halo A23 is quite similar to the HCA-1000a, the Halo JC-1 Monoblocks are very similar to the HCA-3500 (the 3500 is literally 2 separate amplifiers in one chassis down to using dual power cables), the A52 is based off the HCA-2205AT and so forth.

Whereas the Halo and HCA Series were designed by John Curl, the New Classic Series is not. One nice thing about the New Classic amplifiers is that due not not being biased into Class A operation, they run far cooler. In addition to the much different cosmetics in the Halo Series, the Halo's also have slightly larger power supplies than the HCA Series.

For instance, the A51 uses a 2.2 kVA Toroidal Transformer and 164,000uf of capacitance compared to the 2.0 kVA and 150,000uf power supply in the HCA-2205AT. Given that the 2205AT retailed for I believe $2500, the A51's MSRP is $5500. One somewhat surprising thing is that the HCA Series actually offered a longer warranty. Whereas the Halo's offer a 5 Year Parts/Labor warranty. the HCA's offered a 10 year Parts/5 Year Labor warranty. 2 months ago I was able to send in a 9 year old HCA-1000a that had been collecting dust in my garage due to the left channel not working.

Parasound provided an RMA and repaired the channel, either repainted or replaced the fascia and did it all free of charge down to return shipping. While I was surprised that instead of sending it back with the original box for the 1000a used to ship it to California with Parasound sent it back in a Halo D3 box, the Halo box offers far more protection. What an amazing company they are/
Cheers,
AD
post #1414 of 3342
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post



Got my 2 A23s today. Picture came out crappy, but its better than nothing. These things are beautiful.

Clearly I've got some cable management to get to!


See now those look awesome, I think someone mentioned Stealth earlier in the thread. Here is a photo of my system 3 years ago, multi colored, the champagne color of my preamp is the odd ball. A black A21 would fit nicely.


post #1415 of 3342
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
The Halo Series Power Amplifiers are almost entirely based off of HCA Series ones. The Halo A23 is quite similar to the HCA-1000a, the Halo JC-1 Monoblocks are very similar to the HCA-3500 (the 3500 is literally 2 separate amplifiers in one chassis down to using dual power cables), the A52 is based off the HCA-2205AT and so forth.

Whereas the Halo and HCA Series were designed by John Curl, the New Classic Series is not. One nice thing about the New Classic amplifiers is that due not not being biased into Class A operation, they run far cooler. In addition to the much different cosmetics in the Halo Series, the Halo's also have slightly larger power supplies than the HCA Series.

For instance, the A51 uses a 2.2 kVA Toroidal Transformer and 164,000uf of capacitance compared to the 2.0 kVA and 150,000uf power supply in the HCA-2205AT. Given that the 2205AT retailed for I believe $2500, the A51's MSRP is $5500. One somewhat surprising thing is that the HCA Series actually offered a longer warranty. Whereas the Halo's offer a 5 Year Parts/Labor warranty. the HCA's offered a 10 year Parts/5 Year Labor warranty. 2 months ago I was able to send in a 9 year old HCA-1000a that had been collecting dust in my garage due to the left channel not working.

Parasound provided an RMA and repaired the channel, either repainted or replaced the fascia and did it all free of charge down to return shipping. While I was surprised that instead of sending it back with the original box for the 1000a used to ship it to California with Parasound sent it back in a Halo D3 box, the Halo box offers far more protection. What an amazing company they are/
Cheers,
AD

Yes, they really do take customer service head and shoulders above others. I would point out that AA has the Halo A51 for $4500, not 5500, and I thought they listed items at full retail, though I could be wrong. At any rate, they sure have been busy, a new DAC just released, and a premium cd player and new preamp coming out!
post #1416 of 3342
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Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

Yes, they really do take customer service head and shoulders above others. I would point out that AA has the Halo A51 for $4500, not 5500, and I thought they listed items at full retail, though I could be wrong. At any rate, they sure have been busy, a new DAC just released, and a premium cd player and new preamp coming out!
"Business 101" says "never sit on your laurels". It is the successful company that always strives to stay ahead of the game. Parasound is a perfect example of this sound business practice and also the fact that they refuse to launch a product just to fill a niche when that product doesn't live up to their standards is also a wise choice. Such was the case when they finally shelved the C-3 HDMI controller. They received a ton of complaints over that but also didn't have to field a crapload of problems related to a product that didn't meet their criteria.

Kudos to Richard Schram. He seems to know how to successfully steer his ship and also runs a customer service dept that is second to none.
Edited by Torqdog - 2/9/13 at 10:37am
post #1417 of 3342
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Got my 2 A23s today. These things are beautiful
yes, these things are beautiful, now that I've seen them in use.

Funny, I've had my A51 for a few years now, I don't know what it is but everyone has to rub on the front panel with their finger-tips, smearing finger prints all over it, drive's me nut's smile.gif
post #1418 of 3342
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

yes, these things are beautiful, now that I've seen them in use.

Funny, I've had my A51 for a few years now, I don't know what it is but everyone has to rub on the front panel with their finger-tips, smearing finger prints all over it, drive's me nut's smile.gif
Just think how much more evident those fingerprints would be if your A-51 was Stealth Black. LOL
post #1419 of 3342
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

Just think how much more evident those fingerprints would be if your A-51 was Stealth Black. LOL
I know. Would be pretty cool-looking though, especially now that I'm using all black components- ie. Marantz AV8801, Sony SCD-XA5400ES, Oppo BDP-105, Furman PF-15i conditioner.
post #1420 of 3342
Am a parasound fan as well (vintage) have a restored and moded HCA1200 and a stock HCA 800ll in my bedroom sys. Will be adding a multi ch. Parasound for my new HT system im planning now.
post #1421 of 3342
i have a quick question if someone here could help me. I am running my dac into my new receiver which is powering my new speakers. when i run pure direct the sound is crap, no bass and overall sound seems bland but when i run my audyssey it really brought everything to life. Any idea why this is? It is a really good dac as i have used it for headphones and it works great but something seems wrong when plugged into the avr. Also, if i am using the audyssey does that mean that the receiver is turning my analog signal into a digital signal then altering the digital image and then converting it back to analog and if so does that mean that my dac is useless?
post #1422 of 3342
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post



Kudos to Richard Schram. He seems to know how to successfully steer his ship and also runs a customer service dept that is second to none.

Amen to that. Richard is first class all the way.
post #1423 of 3342
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

i have a quick question if someone here could help me. I am running my dac into my new receiver which is powering my new speakers. when i run pure direct the sound is crap, no bass and overall sound seems bland but when i run my audyssey it really brought everything to life. Any idea why this is? It is a really good dac as i have used it for headphones and it works great but something seems wrong when plugged into the avr. Also, if i am using the audyssey does that mean that the receiver is turning my analog signal into a digital signal then altering the digital image and then converting it back to analog and if so does that mean that my dac is useless?

1.  Hard to be definitive without a description of the specific components and how they are connected and configured.

2.  If you are employing Audyssey, you are hearing your music re-digitized in the AVR.  If so, yes, you do not need the DAC.

post #1424 of 3342


Just installed my new Marantz units, replacing a AV7005/Parasound A23 (rears - the MM8807 will do rear and heights).. From bottom to top:
Parasound A51 5Ch Amp
Marantz MM8807 7Ch Amp
Marantz AV8801 Pre-Amp
Toshiba XA2 Region Free HD/SD DVD Player
Oppo BDP-93 BR Player
Monster HTS3500 Power Conditioner
Tivo HD DVR
XBOX 360 on the side

I'm a bit sad to replace a A23, but 2xA23 for front heights and rears don't make sense, and with the MM8807 I have also 2 channels for wides if I need to. Plus 1xMM8807 consumes the same power as 1xA23.

I'll put both my A23s on audiogon. PM me if interested in 1 or both.
post #1425 of 3342
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Originally Posted by exm View Post



Just installed my new Marantz units, replacing a AV7005/Parasound A23 (rears - the MM8807 will do rear and heights).. From bottom to top:
Parasound A51 5Ch Amp
Marantz MM8807 7Ch Amp
Marantz AV8801 Pre-Amp
Toshiba XA2 Region Free HD/SD DVD Player
Oppo BDP-93 BR Player
Monster HTS3500 Power Conditioner
Tivo HD DVR
XBOX 360 on the side

I'm a bit sad to replace a A23, but 2xA23 for front heights and rears don't make sense, and with the MM8807 I have also 2 channels for wides if I need to. Plus 1xMM8807 consumes the same power as 1xA23.

I'll put both my A23s on audiogon. PM me if interested in 1 or both.

What brand and model is your audio stand?
post #1426 of 3342
I have been loving the speakers because i could tell they had potential but i felt like something was missing and i didn't know if it was the amplification, the cables, the receiver or my room acoustics. I grabbed my owners manual for the speakers and it did not say anything about toe in but in a diagram it showed them facing the listening position and the speakers pointed straight at them. I tried it and well it filled in the gap that i felt i was missing. I'm going to borrow a tape measure and a laser tomorrow and make sure they are aligned equally. I did notice while analyzing the difference between pure direct and the audyssey calibration that the aud. sounded more digital, less sound stage, not as detailed but it did blend all the frequencies together and created a better overall image than what i was getting. Also, i like the perceived bass amplitude. Now it all feels fine but i'm hoping tomorrow i'll be able to tweak it a little better
post #1427 of 3342
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Originally Posted by pinoiski View Post

What brand and model is your audio stand?

VTI BLG-404
post #1428 of 3342
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

I have been loving the speakers because i could tell they had potential but i felt like something was missing and i didn't know if it was the amplification, the cables, the receiver or my room acoustics. I grabbed my owners manual for the speakers and it did not say anything about toe in but in a diagram it showed them facing the listening position and the speakers pointed straight at them. I tried it and well it filled in the gap that i felt i was missing. I'm going to borrow a tape measure and a laser tomorrow and make sure they are aligned equally. I did notice while analyzing the difference between pure direct and the audyssey calibration that the aud. sounded more digital, less sound stage, not as detailed but it did blend all the frequencies together and created a better overall image than what i was getting. Also, i like the perceived bass amplitude. Now it all feels fine but i'm hoping tomorrow i'll be able to tweak it a little better
Can you supply us with a list of your equipment so we might better be able to help analyze and possibly gives ideas as to how to better your sound problem using pure direct.

Speaker position is a good start and with your noted poor bass response, it could likely be the main factor behind what you are experiencing. I personally have spent countless hours moving them and then listening as well as using a CD test tone disc(available online as a free download) and an SPL meter to get to a prime position. It really does make a huge difference, especially with low frequencies. Audyssey is attempting to adjust to the room and is why you perceive it to sound better. But it is another step in the audio path that ultimately degrades on the signal to some extent and is why many "purists" avoid it's use altogether.
Edited by Torqdog - 2/10/13 at 8:57am
post #1429 of 3342
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

Just installed my new Marantz units, replacing a AV7005/Parasound A23 (rears - the MM8807 will do rear and heights).. From bottom to top:
Parasound A51 5Ch Amp
Marantz MM8807 7Ch Amp
Marantz AV8801 Pre-Amp
Toshiba XA2 Region Free HD/SD DVD Player
Oppo BDP-93 BR Player
Monster HTS3500 Power Conditioner
Tivo HD DVR
XBOX 360 on the side

I'm a bit sad to replace a A23, but 2xA23 for front heights and rears don't make sense, and with the MM8807 I have also 2 channels for wides if I need to. Plus 1xMM8807 consumes the same power as 1xA23
nice set-up, very close to my system in make-up. I just have one A51 amp, that's all (5.1) right now, would be nice to add more surrounds later (if I have bigger space).
post #1430 of 3342
peachtree audio dac*it
rca to marantz sr5006 (with pre-amp out so i can add an a23 eventually)
bluejeans cables 12g normal bananas i put together
Kef xq30's
post #1431 of 3342
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

nice set-up, very close to my system in make-up. I just have one A51 amp, that's all (5.1) right now, would be nice to add more surrounds later (if I have bigger space).

Thanks... Adding more channels makes sense if you have a big enough room. I feel 9.2 in my room is already too much, so I might hold off on getting wides. At least I have the amplification if I decide to go for it smile.gif
post #1432 of 3342
i found out the problem. after running my aud. ex i looked at the setting and it said that left channel was at 6.4 db and the right was at 8 db. Since i had not done any measuring for placement of the speakers i went to the store and grabbed a cheap tape measure and some string for angle. After taking the time to ensure proper alignment ( so glad i did because now i don't constantly stare at them feeling like one or the other was not in the right position) i ran the eq and it was closer but still seemed like something else was wrong. I had ordered bluejeancables and ordered enough feet to make two pairs of cables so i could try bi-amping them but only ordered 4 pair of banana plugs when i needed eight. So for the tops i had them running bare wire and while i felt i had a good connection in the speaker terminals, those terminals on the receiver are almost impossible to work with when you're using heavy gauge wire. So i took out the top wires from the speakers and plugged my jumpers back in and disabled the optional amps so i would get the full signal in the front mains. Everything came to life . i feel so much better except i feel like i might need to bring the speakers closer to each other because i feel like the middle image or phantom center is unstable unless i turn it up very loudly and then the sound is to forward for me.
post #1433 of 3342
^^^^ You don't say how far the spread is, and if you have them toe-in. Most good speakers should provide a good phantom center spread 8~10 ft. And toe-in usually improves the soundstage.
post #1434 of 3342
i have them 7' 10" apart and as far as toe in, they are facing straight at me and then toed them away so they are facing about 6" away from the left and right side of my face
post #1435 of 3342
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

i have them 7' 10" apart and as far as toe in, they are facing straight at me and then toed them away so they are facing about 6" away from the left and right side of my face

7'-10" is not a huge distance. I've got mine set to 9', with the arrays pointed right at my ears. And I have a perfect phantom center. Perfect soundstage.

And I do not use EQ for music, not even MCM.
post #1436 of 3342
if someone could help me out with a quick question. I'm beginning to wonder if the reason my image seems unstable is because of channel crosstalk in my amplifier. It almost seems to shift from left to right often. It's hard to pinpoint but that's what it feels like it's doing. Could this be channel crosstalk?
post #1437 of 3342
You ran audyysey and then you moved your speakers, is that right? I would try running audyysey again and not moving the speakers. But first you might check to ensure that the polarity is not reversed in one of your speakers, after removing the bi wiring there might be an issue there. After all that is correct, then run the eq again. Not quite sure, so you don't have a center speaker?
post #1438 of 3342
i ran aud. and it showed that one speaker was louder than the other so i bought a tape and ran measurements. afterwards i ran the aud again and it said they were closer in db's to one another. i then took the top + - cables out and put the jumpers back in and disabled the bi-amp option. I tried this because i was using bare wire without plugs on the top terminals and couldn't get a great lock on the receiver bolts because of how tight everything was. Then when i ran aud. everything showed to be equal.
I don't use aud except when watching movies. For movies i use hdmi primary pass through on my bluray player with 192,000khz out (if that matters) and i run surround mode in auto on the receiver which i believe is aude settings.
For music i run analog in and receiver in pure direct which disables aud settings.
post #1439 of 3342
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

if someone could help me out with a quick question. I'm beginning to wonder if the reason my image seems unstable is because of channel crosstalk in my amplifier. It almost seems to shift from left to right often. It's hard to pinpoint but that's what it feels like it's doing. Could this be channel crosstalk?

Sounds more like a polarity problem. Go through all your cables/speaker wire connections to make sure everything is ++/--. Not having a strong phantom center is a sign of reversed polarity.
post #1440 of 3342
ooooh shoot. will do thanks
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