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The ATI was a very good amp, extremely powerful and dynamic. My favorite amps used to be a combination of the Classe CA200 for my main speakers (Dunlavy SC-IV's)and a CAV-75 for my center and surrounds. I also liked to keep the 5/6 channel amp off during 2 channel listening. I like amps that are dead quiet during soft passages in music and the slightest tweeter hiss or transformer hum drives me nuts. In the early 90's I also ran an Anthem AVM20 with their MCA20 & MCA50 amps with a BPT balanced power conditioner. The one thing I really liked about the Anthem was that you could program the AVM20 to shut off the multi channel amp during stereo listening and have it automatically power up the 5 channel amp for surround modes. This kept any tweeter hiss, no matter how subtle to a minimum. I found the Classe and Anthem amps to be very quiet, little to no transformer hum and almost no tweeter hiss even with my ears very close to the tweeter.

I found having the 7 channel ATI 3007 powered up I could hear the slight hiss from the surrounds when listening in stereo. It was not really audible from my listening position but I knew it was there. I should also note that the hiss was very slight, similar to most good amps, but obviously there was no way to shut down 5 of the channels while listening in stereo. I wondered if it may have been better to purchase an ATI 2002/3002 for my mains and a 2005 for the surrounds. The one thing I could hear was the power transformer hum. It was quiet but just to a point that it was slightly audible from my listening position between songs in a dead quiet room, enough to bother me. Sometimes I think i'm way too picky but like most of us that spend our money on this stuff we're hoping for perfection in the gear that we buy. I also found myself getting some ear fatigue with prolonged listening, this also happened with the Acurus amps I owned in the mid 90's. On the positive side the dynamics of the AT3007 during BluRay discs with master HD was incredible. There was never any lack of power and the amps would never shut down like my Emotiva XPA-1 mono blocs used to.

I have had the Parasound A21 for a little over 3 weeks now and they are dead silent during quiet passages or when the music stops. They also sound real good. Music is sounding as good as I can remember any of my amps sounding. I have also auditioned amps from Krell & Audio Research in 1997/98 while auditioning Dunlavy SC-IV speakers that I eventually purchased. I have also auditioned amps from Sim Audio, Plinnius, Sonic Frontiers along with others that I can't recall right now. I'm not saying that if I hit the lottery I would not be out auditioning amps from the likes of Modwright/Boulder/Aesthetix/Classe' etc... but the Parasound is really good. I would also consider the JC1 mono blocks but the A21's have more power than I need. I just ordered a Modwright LS100 preamp and can't wait to hear how they sound together.
post #2372 of 3342
Welcome Teyry.

I also had an ATI3005 and my experiences are very similar.
The ATI is a true powerhouse and incredibly dynamic.
I have about the same about of hiss with the ATI and the Parasound but I think I have to work on my power.
The two circuits I have are on difference panels so some rewiring is required.

I cannot exactly state the difference with the A21 just that there were times when I felt some lesser quality recordings sound better with the A21. I had transformer hum on the ATI that I could hear from my listening position in quiet passages.
This pushed me to the A21. That and recommendations from others.

The A21 is everything that Parasound and owners claim. Extremely clean, fast, dynamic, and non-fatiguing.

- Rich
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We need all to give our Halos a hug on 1 2 3 ...biggrin.gif
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And your kids too if u have some
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My A21 has that ground lift switch on the back not sure about my A52 though .
A52 has it as well. But I think the manual says to only use it if you can't get rid of the problem some other way.
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A52 has it as well. But I think the manual says to only use it if you can't get rid of the problem some other way.
Well that explains why I didn't know if it had one becuase never needed it lol .
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We need all to give our Halos a hug on 1 2 3 ...biggrin.gif
hug?....hell im taken mine to bed with me...
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

And your kids too if u have some
LoL
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Originally Posted by esh516 View Post

hug?....hell im taken mine to bed with me...
Isn't that normally after the hug ? biggrin.gif Yours are a little aggressive tongue.gif
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Isn't that normally after the hug ? biggrin.gifYours are a little aggressive tongue.gif
I always liked my women that way but I think I kinda like my amps more passive than aggressive. Maybe a little of both but the A-51 is definitely NOT welcome in my bed. That's one heavy biatch! biggrin.gif
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I always liked my women that way but I think I kinda like my amps more passive than aggressive. Maybe a little of both but the A-51 is definitely NOT welcome in my bed. That's one heavy biatch! biggrin.gif
I bet you weren't saying that the other night tongue.gif When she was whispering in your ears biggrin.gif
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And your kids too if u have some

But the Halo's don't talk back biggrin.gif
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Hey rich ,
I just read your thread at audioholics . What I don't get with the all amps sound the same crowd is there constantly refer to data that proves there point . Then they say they ran a test with one pair of speakers and 10 people
That small sample is supposed to sway me.

For me.I would.need to see 10 tests at ten different homes that are typical setups. Some in a dedicated room ,some like mine in the living room with no treatments . Speakers would be different in each house. Maybe this has been done and I am missing the link to that site.
Technically I don't know much about amps but my subjective brain tells me that this parasound amp I got is a keeper cool.gif
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I bet you weren't saying that the other night tongue.gif When she was whispering in your ears biggrin.gif
Shhhhhh.....she's in the other room!
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Brutes rolleyes.gif My A21 is a lady biggrin.gif
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I hope they don't read our posts and put there Halos together to have a intervention waiting for us when we get home eek.gif
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eek.gif No really she's just a friend biggrin.gif
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LoL biggrin.gif
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Another good option would be the A51 & A21 giving you 7 channels of pure heaven biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by esh516 View Post

You are thinking correctly!... the A23 & A51 is top notch amplification....



They will make you proud...and your music very clean and detailed!
...and you will be very happy...

Yes i am pretty sure that if i keep my Pioneer and use it as a Pre, and buy Parasound A51 + A23 to make 7.2 movies will come even more detailed and i will have more power.
I always loved the looks of Parasound, but the black color now is the best...uau!

Krell might be another league, but i was going to buy their 7 channel integrated 1200-S, but i have more faith with the Parasound....
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Originally Posted by chaluga View Post

Hey rich ,
I just read your thread at audioholics . What I don't get with the all amps sound the same crowd is there constantly refer to data that proves there point . Then they say they ran a test with one pair of speakers and 10 people
That small sample is supposed to sway me.

For me.I would.need to see 10 tests at ten different homes that are typical setups. Some in a dedicated room ,some like mine in the living room with no treatments . Speakers would be different in each house. Maybe this has been done and I am missing the link to that site.
Technically I don't know much about amps but my subjective brain tells me that this parasound amp I got is a keeper cool.gif
Link to this thread or which area and thread title?
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An independent large sample study. Not an avs thread discussion .
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Link to this thread or which area and thread title?

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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

An independent large sample study. Not an avs thread discussion .

The thread on Audioholics is called "My attempt to compare an Outlaw 7500 and a Parasound A51".
I was not trying to post the end-all of listening impressions but some folks who have decided all amps sound the same come at you tongue.gif

Some of the heavy hitter have weighed in.
As I said, here and over there, I did my best to try to see if I could hear a difference and I believe I did.

It's a good read.

- Rich
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Good afternoon guys ! Don't know about about you but my Halo's wore me out last night eek.gifbiggrin.gif Think I'm going to Watch a blu today and give them some love back . Almost time for Oblivion cool.gif
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Favorite scene for sound in oblivion is the 1:13min mark. Cool fly through the canyon .
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Favorite scene for sound in oblivion is the 1:13min mark. Cool fly through the canyon .
For sure that's one my favorite scenes to ! Theres a few that are ear and eye candy can't wait to give it another view .
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Originally Posted by MV_Cinema View Post

I am thinking on buying maybe Parasound Amplifiers.
I have an integrated Pioneer SC-LX90, but would like more power and more detail. Parasound is an option and was thinking on the A51 + A23.
My first option is Krell but it's very expensive and i don't know if it has more detail....

Any help?

Tank you

Don't buy the Krell"s, save your money and go with the above Parasound amps. We have the exact same set up you are thinking about. Apart from being the finest sounding amps we have ever owned, it was literally the best amp investment we ever made. Our A51 powers our L&R mains, the center channel, and our L&R side surrounds. The A23 powers our front L&R height ambient speakers. Everything is hooked up to our ONKYO PR-SC 5508-P pre-pro via Emotiva XLR cables. All of our speakers are Def-Technology. The main speakers are 7001's with BPX and BPVX surrounds andaDef-Tech center speaker. All I can say is our system is nothing short of stellar sounding thanks to the superlative A51 & A23 Halo power amps. There is a very good reason why the k erwhelming majority of movie studios have chosen Parasound Haloe power amps for their recording studios. They can afford to buy anything, at any cost, but they have chosen Parasound Halo amps because of all of the reasons mentioned by multitudes of AVS members = they just sound better!
One other thing you need to know, Parasound owners love their amps because Parasound has EXCEPTIONAL customer service! Richard Schram the owner of Parasound, along with the entire crew at Parasound genuinely care about their customers and they do their utmost to make sure their customers are totally satisfied AFTER the point of sale. Just read through this entire thread an you will read numerous testimonies from multitudes of AVS members who have nothing but the highest respect and praise for Richard Schram and the people at Paradound who have trouble shot issues and done everything above and beyond what was required to fix an issue, repair a problem or answer owners questions.

How many A/V company presidents do you know who take the time to actually call or talk to their customers? Richard does. He is also an avid AVS member who often posts and answers Parasound questions posed on this thread. Richard S is a stand up guy, his company along with the products they sell arenothing short of outstanding AND they stand behind everything they sell, plain and simple.

My advice = buy the Halo amps. I guarantee you won't have "buyer's remorse" and once everything is hooked up and you turn on your CD player or watch a Blu-ray movie with a dynamic 7.1surround mix, you will be blown away by how good it sounds and you will realize it was money well spent.

There is only one down side to buying such superlative amps = they will reveal any weak links you may have in your A/V system. You may find yourself wanting to replace your Pioneer or your Blu-ray player or your speakers down the road because the Halo amps are exceptionally detailed an good at revealing "weak links" in their owners A/V system.
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Agreed 100%,, Love my Para A52 very quiet, detailed AND dynamic.. Richard helped me out when I went to purchase one.. they back their stuff 100%!! I was going to buy an Emotiva and my Wife advised that i just go ahead and buy what I always really wanted and spend the $$ and get the real deal = Parasound,, and I happen to have got it at an AMAZING price at AUDIO ADVISOR! Best sounding amp I have ever owned.. blows away the Sunfire's Adcom's etc that I have owned in the past... and I have the 2125 for my rear centers! You can';t go wrong IMO!! smile.gif Richard is super cool!! smile.gif
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I would concur about Richard, granted he has a vested interest but all my discussions with him were extremely enlightening. Parasound is an easy recommend. JC1s, JC2 and the A21,31,51 are simply no brainers. A p7 vs the AV8801 or CX-A5000 is my current focus after a Oppo 105.
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My couple of dealings with Richard were great too. Only now need oppo 103.
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My dealings with Richard and Parasound have been outstanding smile.gif. I contacted Parasound recently on a question about my 2100. As is the norm Richard answered my email and my questions were answered in detail. I feel that Parasound's products and service are among the best in the industry. I'm looking forward to the upcoming P5 preamp, I'll take one in black please smile.gif.

Bill
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