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post #2491 of 3344
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

I would prefer to use the Parasound for the surrounds as well--Why waste the two channels? Use the receiver for the two rears.

Well, I was wondering if the front three would sound better if the A52 doesn't have to power the surrounds. Or if the surrounds would sound noticeably worse being driven by a lesser amp.

Obviously, until I get an A23....
post #2492 of 3344
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Originally Posted by artur9 View Post

Well, I was wondering if the front three would sound better if the A52 doesn't have to power the surrounds. Or if the surrounds would sound noticeably worse being driven by a lesser amp.

Obviously, until I get an A23....

Not unless you are driving all the channels to the point that there is voltage sag.
You might as well just power 5 channels with the A52.

- Rich
post #2493 of 3344
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Not unless you are driving all the channels to the point that there is voltage sag.
You might as well just power 5 channels with the A52.

- Rich
Agreed I also use my A52 to power all the channels in my 5.2 setup and it does a fine Job of course I imagine it really deppends what speakers your going to be driving .Previously I ran my A21 to power my fronts left and right before moving it to my 2ch setup . Then using my A52 to power just my center and surrounds having to channels on my A52 not used . I don't notice and difference with my surrounds or center channel . Needless to say I did notice a difference though in my L & R running the A21 vs the A52 .
post #2494 of 3344
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

Needless to say I did notice a difference though in my L & R running the A21 vs the A52 .

What difference was that?
post #2495 of 3344
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Originally Posted by artur9 View Post

What difference was that?
For starters no matter how I adjusted the trm level the L & R speakers were dominant . More detail, more bass , wider sound stage .
post #2496 of 3344
Agreed with the poster above, I own the A52 and it rocks!! I power my system with all of the channels running and never feel it is running low on power!! I have DefTech 7002 main's CLR2500 center and Infinity rears and Infinity rear center.. this amp kicks it!! I love my Parasound!! I'm not sure i could get better sound unless i bought a A51 and/or A21.. I am using the 2125 to power the extra rear center... which leaves one channel unused at the moment.. smile.gif
post #2497 of 3344
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Originally Posted by mikejedi123 View Post

Agreed with the poster above, I own the A52 and it rocks!! I power my system with all of the channels running and never feel it is running low on power!! I have DefTech 7002 main's CLR2500 center and Infinity rears and Infinity rear center.. this amp kicks it!! I love my Parasound!! I'm not sure i could get better sound unless i bought a A51 and/or A21.. I am using the 2125 to power the extra rear center... which leaves one channel unused at the moment.. smile.gif
The A52 is a fine amp ! smile.gif
post #2498 of 3344
I'm getting the feeling that everyone thinks I'm dissing the A52. Sorry if I gave that impression. The thing is a beast for audio and also keeps me warm when it's cold outside. I know my Haydn speakers love it!

Now, instead of an A23, it looks like Parasound does not make an integrated amp with DACs and HT Bypass that would pair well with the A52? Just planning my spending for the next few years smile.gif
post #2499 of 3344
Use the A51 for all channels. You'll wont pull the same out of your rear speakers anyway. If you don't want to purchase the A23 (can be found for cheap on Audiogon), consider one of the older Parasounds.

But the A51+A23 looks sweet!
post #2500 of 3344
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Originally Posted by artur9 View Post

I'm getting the feeling that everyone thinks I'm dissing the A52. Sorry if I gave that impression. The thing is a beast for audio and also keeps me warm when it's cold outside. I know my Haydn speakers love it!

Now, instead of an A23, it looks like Parasound does not make an integrated amp with DACs and HT Bypass that would pair well with the A52? Just planning my spending for the next few years smile.gif

The P5 might be your ticket:

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/introducing-the-parasound-halo-p5-stereo-preamplifier/

- Rich
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That P5 does look pretty sweet !
post #2502 of 3344
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

That P5 does look pretty sweet !

Definitely! But it's not an amp. I'm looking towards having an integrated amp with the same power per channel as the A52 to plug my Schit Audio into (btw, that's pronounced the way you think. Their user manuals are hilarious!). That way, when I'm listening to my swing I don't have to fire up the A52. Something like the Hegel 70 but with HT bypass.

Otherwise it's be a P5 and and A23?
post #2503 of 3344
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Originally Posted by artur9 View Post

Definitely! But it's not an amp. I'm looking towards having an integrated amp with the same power per channel as the A52 to plug my Schit Audio into (btw, that's pronounced the way you think. Their user manuals are hilarious!). That way, when I'm listening to my swing I don't have to fire up the A52. Something like the Hegel 70 but with HT bypass.

Otherwise it's be a P5 and and A23?
Looks to be a great combo ! Like I mentioned I just use my A52 for HT and it does a great job . But for 2 ch my A21 is amazing . I just run it threw my NAD 356 bee preamp section . I like the idea of having the amp section on The NAD for a back up incase my A21 ever needs any work . I don't think I could go very long without my 2ch setup.
But that P5 sure looks good and can't wait until it hits the market so I can demo it at my local Parasound dealer and hear some new owners input also .
Edited by TheFactor - 9/6/13 at 12:38pm
post #2504 of 3344
I love Parasound too! Currently I don't have any Parasound in my main system, but I am thinking about the P7 and how it might simplify my 2 channel / multi-channel combined setup plus I would love to own a Halo component. I do have many Parasound components in my other systems:

These are the Parasound Z Components that I use for my whole house audio:

Parasound Zpre
Parasound TDQ-150
Parasound Zamp v.2 (2)
Parasound Scamp
Parasound ZSelect (5 speaker selector)
Coby CD Player

This is my (mostly) Parasound work system:

Parasound Zpre2
Parasound ZTuner
Parasound Zamp v.3
Coby CD Player (temporary until I get a Parasound ZCD)
Sony MP3 Player (connected via RCA dock)


post #2505 of 3344
^^^^The P7 is one fine pre-amp, for everything from LPs to iTunes. I have it in a system consisting of HK Citation 19 power amp, Parasound HCA2205A, HK AVR 3600, Denon 1930ci, MacBook Pro, Marantz TT.
I just need to get a USB DAC for the MacBook.
post #2506 of 3344
I'd like to see them bring back the A52 but doubt that would happen.
post #2507 of 3344
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Originally Posted by Teyry View Post

I'd like to see them bring back the A52 but doubt that would happen.
Unfortunately probably not and it's such a great amp and feel fortunate to own one , For those who don't just keep a eye on the used market like Audigon and I'm sure you'll see one pop up periodically .
post #2508 of 3344
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

The P7 is one fine pre-amp ....

Are you using your P7 for bass management? If so, for both stereo and for multichannel? I've read the manual and a couple of reviews and I still don't know if the P7 can do multi-channel analog bass management. Any insight would be much appreciated.

I really like my Adcom GFP-750 preamp (easily the best component they ever made), but if I could get rid of my stereo sub crossover and not have to use a HT bypass I just might go for the P7. Then I would have all of my favorite brands in my main system: Paradigm, Bryston, Parasound, and Oppo!
post #2509 of 3344
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Originally Posted by mtn-tech View Post

Are you using your P7 for bass management? If so, for both stereo and for multichannel? I've read the manual and a couple of reviews and I still don't know if the P7 can do multi-channel analog bass management. Any insight would be much appreciated.

I really like my Adcom GFP-750 preamp (easily the best component they ever made), but if I could get rid of my stereo sub crossover and not have to use a HT bypass I just might go for the P7. Then I would have all of my favorite brands in my main system: Paradigm, Bryston, Parasound, and Oppo!
That's a nice group of favorite brands ! cool.gif
post #2510 of 3344
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Originally Posted by mtn-tech View Post

Are you using your P7 for bass management? If so, for both stereo and for multichannel? I've read the manual and a couple of reviews and I still don't know if the P7 can do multi-channel analog bass management. Any insight would be much appreciated.

I really like my Adcom GFP-750 preamp (easily the best component they ever made), but if I could get rid of my stereo sub crossover and not have to use a HT bypass I just might go for the P7. Then I would have all of my favorite brands in my main system: Paradigm, Bryston, Parasound, and Oppo!

The P7 does BM for stereo sources. The MC source, in my case, the Denon 1930ci, sets the XOs, distances, volume levels. But the P7 also has a separate sub volume setting. So the P7 can be set to one sub output for stereo, and another for MC. I suspect your Oppo has better BM than my Denon.

But the ease of use the P7 provides is at least as important to me as its quality. Everything can be changed on the fly; balance, L/R, F/B, bass output, XO. Touch of one button to go from source to HT bypass.
No having to go deep into a menu to change anything.
Edited by 4DHD - 9/7/13 at 2:26pm
post #2511 of 3344
The P7 is a very well designed product, as 4DHD so well described. However, it does not do bass management for multichannel sources, at least not in the usual sense of the word. For the stereo inputs you can choose the crossover frequency (50 Hz or 80 Hz) but not for the multichannel inputs. The assumption is that your multichannel source will perform that function. My sub(s) have a remote so I am in the habit of using it to adjust the volume on the fly. Although the P7 remote has a sub volume control, I had not realized it functions for the multichannel inputs too. So it seems the P7 is even more versatile than I thought.

Oh, and don't forget the P7 has one terrific phono pre-amp!
post #2512 of 3344
P7 is available in BLACK ! They will start shipping soon. ok maybe that didnt merit the godzilla size font but you know..
post #2513 of 3344
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Originally Posted by davee70 View Post

The P7 is a very well designed product, as 4DHD so well described. However, it does not do bass management for multichannel sources, at least not in the usual sense of the word. For the stereo inputs you can choose the crossover frequency (50 Hz or 80 Hz) but not for the multichannel inputs. The assumption is that your multichannel source will perform that function. My sub(s) have a remote so I am in the habit of using it to adjust the volume on the fly. Although the P7 remote has a sub volume control, I had not realized it functions for the multichannel inputs too. So it seems the P7 is even more versatile than I thought.

Oh, and don't forget the P7 has one terrific phono pre-amp!

The sub trim and the Home Theater bypass meant I could share my dual subs with my seperate movie and music systems.

And I too feel the phono section is very good. I haven't felt the urge to upgrade because of it, and I've had a few outboard units.
post #2514 of 3344
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post

The sub trim and the Home Theater bypass meant I could share my dual subs with my separate movie and music systems.

Jive, can you explain how you are using the P7 to do that? Which components are connected in order from source to speakers for both 2 channel and Multi-channel? Thanks in advance for the help!

This is currently what I'm doing - it works well but I'm not sure the LFE works correctly connected this way, I'm not in love with the addition of the external crossover, and I would like one fewer component:

2-Ch (also doubles as multi-channel L/R front):
Blu-Ray / CD balanced output to 2 channel preamp
Preamp balanced output to crossover (mains high pass at 80Hz)
Crossover balanced output to amp
Amp to speakers
and
Crossover RCA outputs to powered subs (subs low pass at 80Hz)

Multi-channel
- using Blu-Ray surround decoder / volume control / bass management all speakers at 80Hz
- sub "none" to direct all bass to mains
- preamp "HT bypass" engaged to bypass volume control and output directly to L/R front amp
Blu-Ray / CD RCA outputs to center / surround amp channels
Surround amp channels to speakers
post #2515 of 3344
^^^^ I'll jump in here. As I have said before, the P7 does the BM for your stereo sources. Your MC player does the BM for the MC output. But the P7 has two sub volume settings, one for stereo, one for MC. So although the P7 does not supply BM for MC you can still set the sub output to a different level from the stereo output.

Unless you are not happy with the P7's stereo XO choices of 50, 80, off/full range, you do not need an external XO. That leaves the MC player's XO in question, as to if it supplies what you need.
post #2516 of 3344
My movie and music systems are completely seperate, other than the subs. I use the subwoofer output on the P7 with a splitter on the cable to feed dual subs.


For the movie system, I take the subwoofer output from my surround receiver and put it on the Multichannel Subwoofer Input (you can use input 9 or 10 on the P7) . When you watch movies, you turn the P7 on and set it to input (9 or 10) for Home Theater Bypass of the sub. It'll pass through exactly whatever settings you have in your receiver for your sub ( level and crossover point primarily). I use the 80Hz crossover point in my receiver for movies.

For my music system I use the 50Hz crossover point that's internal to the P7. The subwoofer trim is a function on the remote (explained in the manual how to access) that affects only the sub level internal to the P7 on the other analog inputs (the sub level for the movie system is set by the Receivers setting). I find I have to turn down the subs a good bit with music, so instead of changing the volume on the back of the subs for either music or movies, I use the sub trim on the P7 remote. Remember, the Home Theater Bypass inputs (9 or 10) are pass through only; whatever level your receiver is set to is what's sent out to the subs. The sub trim function affects the other analog inputs on the P7.
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Here is probably one of the weirder questions ever posted on an amp owners' thread. Where do you guys put your amplifiers? I was given an excellent offer on a demo model A52. I really want to get it but it is several inches deeper than any of my other components. I was planning on buying some kind of media storage unit to put under my television, but I have only found one deep enough to store the Parasound amp - and that unit is over $2000. (too much for me) I have spent hours scouring the web and visiting stores. It finally occurred to me to ask people who own it how they deal with the size. By the way, I live in a tiny Manhattan apartment. Thank you in advance for any help for this newb to the world of separates.
post #2518 of 3344
Get a floor amp stand or make one like I did it will also run cooler being in the open . I love mine and with material was only around 60 dollars .My A21 fits perfect on it like it was made for it . Oh ya it was biggrin.gif image.jpg 648k .jpg file
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Here's a close up of it image.jpg 954k .jpg file
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Thanks. It's beautiful. I wish I was a little handier and could build my own. I'm not sure I want it out in the open though. I know it would be good for the amp - but I watch a lot of movies with the lights out. All the displays on my equipment drive me batty. I do notice we have the same brand plasma. Good taste!
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