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post #2911 of 3344
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Originally Posted by WAFWarrior View Post

In my opinion yes people like more power even if they never ever tap into it. They just like to know its there. Unless you have some very power hungry, low sensitivity 4 Ohm speakers, an A52 or 5125 will handle most situations. Another way to look at it is that an A51 gives people more power to grow into for the inherent upgrade bug that we all get with our speakers.

Again, this is my take.

The A51 was the right choice for my power hungry 4 ohms Revels.
I was not considering the Halo because I did not realize that it came in black (before the web site was updated).

The other reason, is because the Halo's are very attractive and that helps with the WAF (not to be confused with WAFWarrior smile.gif).

- Rich
post #2912 of 3344
I had emotive amps the XPA 3 and 5 and just had the feeling I could do better. Spend a year saving for the A51 and it was well worth the difference in cost. I'm not running any Emotiva's anymore.
post #2913 of 3344
I am one of those without the Halo sized budget. I was looking for a 5250.v2 but now that it is discontinued as of late last year, guess I will look elsewhere or keep my eyes open on the secondary market. One is bound to come up in the future.
post #2914 of 3344
The Halo stuff gets a lot of good reviews (TAS, Stereophile, S&V, Audioholics etc).
Maybe sales are so good they decided to reduce the overall size of the product lineup.
May not be right decision in long run.
post #2915 of 3344
What is easiest way to determine if you are clipping? Do you need to use REW or similar?
post #2916 of 3344
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Originally Posted by WAFWarrior View Post

In my opinion yes people like more power even if they never ever tap into it. They just like to know its there. Unless you have some very power hungry, low sensitivity 4 Ohm speakers, an A52 or 5125 will handle most situations. Another way to look at it is that an A51 gives people more power to grow into for the inherent upgrade bug that we all get with our speakers.

Again, this is my take.

Not all of us! I still use speakers dating back to '77. Although, I did upgrade those 10 years ago with new boxes and Biased XOs.
post #2917 of 3344
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Originally Posted by coli View Post

Yup, I can confirm that the JC1 is way too sensitive to ground loops. Still haven't figure out how to solve the HDMI ground loop yet, or maybe I just need to switch to a pre-pro with XLR...
I can attest to the fact that when I switched amps from the non-XLR HCA 1205A to the Halo A-51, all my ground loop noise was virtually eliminated by switching cables to XLR. Before that, I spent countless hours trying to isolate the hum and where-as I was able to reduce it, it never went away and knowing it was there made it all the more objectionable. I have a Parasound C-2 controller that is fully XLR capable so I guess our situations are similar in that one of our components in the audio path was/is not XLR capable..
post #2918 of 3344
I've been reading some specs on Parasound's web site and it seems the new Halo series of amps have more in common with the older HCA series than the New Classic series have. Is this a correct assessment? Does the New Classic series have as much in common with the older HCA series as the Halo series?

Also, it seems prices for decent 2-channel gear has gone up quite a bit over the past 10 - 12 years. Maybe due to a devalued dollar? Is that accurate?

I'm not sure I'm willing to spend roughly $3400 for a Halo A21 & P5 combo. I've been using an Acurus L10 preamp and A250 power amp, but it's 20 years old and isn't going to last forever. The speakers are Focal Chorus 826Vs.

EDIT: I guess over 10 years that $3400 breaks down to about 93 cents per day. Not as bad if I look at it like that.
Edited by Doctor Morbius - 1/23/14 at 9:44am
post #2919 of 3344
All depends on your needs. I spent the money and thought it well worth the value. I also do intend to keep them for quite a few years too.
post #2920 of 3344
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post

I've been reading some specs on Parasound's web site and it seems the new Halo series of amps have more in common with the older HCA series than the New Classic series have. Is this a correct assessment? Does the New Classic series have as much in common with the older HCA series as the Halo series?

Also, it seems prices for decent 2-channel gear has gone up quite a bit over the past 10 - 12 years. Maybe due to a devalued dollar? Is that accurate?

I'm not sure I'm willing to spend roughly $3400 for a Halo A21 & P5 combo. I've been using an Acurus L10 preamp and A250 power amp, but it's 20 years old and isn't going to last forever. The speakers are Focal Chorus 826Vs.

EDIT: I guess over 10 years that $3400 breaks down to about 93 cents per day. Not as bad if I look at it like that.

 

The A21 has gone up 300 in 12 years.  That's less than 1.5% a year, less than the rate of inflation, so that's not much at all.  I think the rest of the Halo line is the same.

 

Less than 2 years ago I bought a BNIB A stock A21 from a dealer for well under 2000.  You don't have to pay the MSRP!  Parasound Halo is excellent gear,  the A21 easily bested my amps from brands Adcom, NAD and Emotiva.  But no, it's not cheap.  I'd buy it again without hesitation, and have the P5 in my sights for later this year.

post #2921 of 3344
"I'm not sure I'm willing to spend roughly $3400 for a Halo A21 & P5 combo. I've been using an Acurus L10 preamp and A250 power amp, but it's 20 years old and isn't going to last forever. The speakers are Focal Chorus 826Vs."

A4L is right- I got my A-21/ P5 for less than 2900 including tax
Cheers, Mac
post #2922 of 3344
Do what I did and buy used parasound for a lot less. cool.gif
post #2923 of 3344
Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm going to keep my eyes open for a good deal.

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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

Do what I did and buy used parasound for a lot less. cool.gif
Unfortunately, I've been burned a few times buying used gear and it's left an indelible mark on my psyche.
post #2924 of 3344
I can see that making u gun shy. You do the best you can but in the end its a crap shoot. I use ebay , with paypal. At least you have some protection.

If I was buying right now this one is a good buy
http://m.ebay.com/itm/251430993182?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1
post #2925 of 3344
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

I can see that making u gun shy. You do the best you can but in the end its a crap shoot. I use ebay , with paypal. At least you have some protection.

If I was buying right now this one is a good buy
http://m.ebay.com/itm/251430993182?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1
Looks good, but I'm a 2 channel guy .. or maybe a 2.2 channel guy that doesn't currently have any subs. biggrin.gif
post #2926 of 3344
Then this
http://m.ebay.com/itm/251430293644?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1

You definitely need 2 sub biggrin.gif
post #2927 of 3344
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post


Looks good, but I'm a 2 channel guy .. or maybe a 2.2 channel guy that doesn't currently have any subs. biggrin.gif

If I remember, you are an Emotiva owner.  What led you to be interested in Parasound?

post #2928 of 3344
Without getting into a debate about whether amp differences can be heard consistently...

Parasound amps have always sounded great in demo's i have heard. I have considered parasound with every purchase of amps i have ever made.

The silver ones are truly a work of art in appearance.

I lurk around here to see what users are saying.
post #2929 of 3344
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Originally Posted by audio4life View Post

If I remember, you are an Emotiva owner.  What led you to be interested in Parasound?
The only Emotiva product I own is an XDA-2 DAC. It's a very good sounding DAC for $249 (their holiday price), but for some reason I have reservations about their amps and preamps. I'm just not quite sold on their entire product line.

Parasound has been around for a while, has a proven track record and as far as I know are built to last. On top of that they are very competitive with higher end products at a fraction of the price. Sounds like a winning combination.
post #2930 of 3344
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Originally Posted by blazar View Post

The silver ones are truly a work of art in appearance.

could not agree more - stunning, especially for the price point
post #2931 of 3344
I have an A51 amp. Using unbalanced connections with the input select switch on balanced produces adequate sound. So what does the switch actually do?
post #2932 of 3344
Hi everyone,

My current system consists of Emotiva UMC-200, XPA-5, Sony Blu-ray player, Def Tech (BP7006) speakers for the L and R channel. Previous to this system I had a vintage Marantz unit-2275 and always thought that it sounded good but decided to upgrade. After doing so I was kind of disappointed in the 2 channel performance of the UMC-200. Its not that it sounds bad but It wasn't like the sound from the old marantz.. So now I'm looking for a good sounding 2 channel preamp with HT bypass for $1200 or less. Possible options are: Emotiva XSP-1, Parasound P5, or using the analog output of a Oppo BDP-105 directly to the amp. Does anyone have any recommendations or experience with these products? Would there be a night/day difference in sound quality from a 2 channel preamp compared to one that's primary function is home theater? I'm just trying to explore some options and any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind of leaning towards the P5 but wanted to hear what others thought of this new preamp.
post #2933 of 3344
^^^ You've got some excellent DACs in that Oppo 105. Why not use them and either go direct to amp or use a pre-pro in bypass mode. Allot of folks over on the Oppo 105 forum go direct to amp but there are precautions one must take. Namely, anytime you do a firmware update, the Oppo reverts back to full volume. As far as sound goes, nothing but positive comments going Oppo direct to amp.
post #2934 of 3344
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

^^^ You've got some excellent DACs in that Oppo 105. Why not use them and either go direct to amp or use a pre-pro in bypass mode. Allot of folks over on the Oppo 105 forum go direct to amp but there are precautions one must take. Namely, anytime you do a firmware update, the Oppo reverts back to full volume. As far as sound goes, nothing but positive comments going Oppo direct to amp.
I think they addressed the volume concern for updates but recommend caution as to not feed it 100% to start.
post #2935 of 3344
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

^^^ You've got some excellent DACs in that Oppo 105. Why not use them and either go direct to amp or use a pre-pro in bypass mode. Allot of folks over on the Oppo 105 forum go direct to amp but there are precautions one must take. Namely, anytime you do a firmware update, the Oppo reverts back to full volume. As far as sound goes, nothing but positive comments going Oppo direct to amp.

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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

I think they addressed the volume concern for updates but recommend caution as to not feed it 100% to start.

Yes, the latest firmware has power on volume, max volume, power on input selection, automatically saves your setting, and no longer resets your volume to 100% with a firmware reset. Still, you have to be more cautious than a preamp/processor since futzing with the volume setting and selecting fixed will get you to 100% volume.

The BDP-105 sounds great connected directly to the A51.

- Rich
post #2936 of 3344
My nad m51 sounds awesome with my 4 Jc1's best way to go is seperates all the all the way My NAD M51 blows My oppo 105 away
post #2937 of 3344
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

I think they addressed the volume concern for updates but recommend caution as to not feed it 100% to start.

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Originally Posted by RichB View Post


Yes, the latest firmware has power on volume, max volume, power on input selection, automatically saves your setting, and no longer resets your volume to 100% with a firmware reset. Still, you have to be more cautious than a preamp/processor since futzing with the volume setting and selecting fixed will get you to 100% volume.

The BDP-105 sounds great connected directly to the A51.

- Rich
Thanks guys! I haven't been following the 105 forum for some time. Glad to hear they finally addressed this issue. I wonder if they'll do the same for us 95 owners.
post #2938 of 3344
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Originally Posted by initech View Post

I have an A51 amp. Using unbalanced connections with the input select switch on balanced produces adequate sound. So what does the switch actually do?

Have you been comparing the unbalanced connections to balanced while the amp input select is on balanced and can hear no difference?  BTW I would recommend not toggling back and forth while the amp is on unless you have gotten knowledgeable advice regarding possible damage.  The switch does what it says it does, but perhaps the unbalanced are always on.

post #2939 of 3344
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Originally Posted by audio4life View Post

Have you been comparing the unbalanced connections to balanced while the amp input select is on balanced and can hear no difference?  BTW I would recommend not toggling back and forth while the amp is on unless you have gotten knowledgeable advice regarding possible damage.  The switch does what it says it does, but perhaps the unbalanced are always on.

It does not switch between balanced and unbalanced as some amp do.
It grounds a pin on the Balanced input so the two inputs remain connected.

Not a good idea for safety and certainly not a good idea for comparisons.

I use a Kramer Electronics VS-4X to switch and compare sources.

I have found settings and sources that are better and cleaner than others, but I have not found anything that blows anything away wink.gif

- Rich
post #2940 of 3344
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

It does not switch between balanced and unbalanced as some amp do.
It grounds a pin on the Balanced input so the two inputs remain connected.

Not a good idea for safety and certainly not a good idea for comparisons.

I use a Kramer Electronics VS-4X to switch and compare sources.

I have found settings and sources that are better and cleaner than others, but I have not found anything that blows anything away wink.gif

- Rich

I do not switch while the amp is active. After playing my source with unbalanced connections, I realized later the switch was still in the balanced position.

thanks
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