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post #121 of 1926
i dont know. but it sounds like people are down on it. i dont have it yet.
post #122 of 1926
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Originally Posted by ?mwf15? View Post

i dont know. but it sounds like people are down on it. i dont have it yet.

Some folks are disappointed in the amp section. But the front end is more or less the same as the rest of the mid-line models, so it's a fine processor and pre-amp. Depending on your power requirements, it should be very nice for HT applications. Limitations in connection options are a draw-back, but again most of the 2009 models have the same limitations. So if it works for you who cares?

My main interest in the unit is as a pre-pro, and it looks like a fine option for that. Waiting for prices to come down.
post #123 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

... But the front end is more or less the same as the rest of the mid-line models, so it's a fine processor and pre-amp.

I don't suppose you've seen the Service Manual to confirm that, have you? Yamaha seem to be guarding the SMs more carefully than they used to. It would be nice to know if they changed the DACs, Op-amps etc. from the 663.
post #124 of 1926
I received my 665 on Monday 4/13 and set it up that night. After fiddling with it for a while I was about ready to box it right back up for a return to Amazon because I was having problems with no video displaying on my Sony SXRD 60XBR1 (HDMI version 1.1) (HDMI audio was OK however). I noticed these symptoms after doing the YPAO equalization procedure; after I finished and tried selecting various HDMI inputs on the 665 the video went away. I decided to take a deep breath and turn both the 665 and the TV off for about 15 minutes and after turning both back on sure enough both the video and audio through HDMI now worked A-OK and has been for 24 hours or so now.

If any of you want to put this baby through some serious audio auditioning try the stagecoach attack scene in the Blu-Ray disk 3:10 to Yuma. That has to be the best movie sound track I've ever heard on a shiny disk. I finally got some life in my Polk back surround speakers that I recently purchased in order to upgrade my setup to 7.1 channel audio. The uncompressed LPCM audio track on 3:10 to Yuma is phenomenal and a great showcase for your setup!
The audio quality of the 665 sounded every bit as good to my (albeit 54 year old) ears as the Yamaha HTR-5990 it is replacing.

I can echo what others have said about the build quality of the 665; it's much lighter and in a significantly smaller case than the Yamaha HTR-5990 it is replacing. However there is still a lot to love about this unit; the 4 HDMI inputs are most welcome as is the ability to bitstream Dolby True HD and DTS-HD MA. The jury is still open for me as I have 30 days to evaluate it via Amazon but for me so far it is definitely a keeper!
post #125 of 1926
Hello to All!

What I want to do...(the back story)
I have a new Yamaha RX-V665 AVR. I have a HDTV Display on the wall with one HDMI in the wall and will be connected to my Receiver, then Time-Warner DVR and Bluray via HDMI into receiver,then CD/DVD prog.scan for playing Mp3's using component cables and VCR composite cables into the receiver. I had issues which confused me on whether I wanted a choice on listening to ONLY the TV speakers,or the receiver for movies,BD, etc. Lot of people wrote me telling me I would need this and that, like a TOS optical cable from TV to receiver,or even running all the individual HDMI cables from TV to each of the components.
Consensus? If your going to have a surround system,why not use it all the time? I just would like to know what options I have at this point, since the TV is already on the wall, with one HDMI (in wall) out to the receiver.

Yamaha-
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/p...DETYP=RELATION

Speakers-
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/performance2.html
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I received this the other day...

I had asked, "Any issues connecting this Yamaha RX-V665 to a 6.1 speaker setup by only running one HDMI from the Display to the receiver???"

answer-
There shouldn't be any problem with this.
No need to complicate matters. Because you have the latest in receiver technology, Yamaha RX-V665, you need not run any more cables to the back of the TV other than the HDMI that's already there in the wall. The Yamaha, when properly set up will pass audio to the TV via its HDMI output, and still utilize any audio bitsteam for the surround system. (See page 54 where you choose "AMP+TV" for the HDMI audio configuration.) In order to use the TV speakers only, you will have to power up the Yamaha (otherwise the HDMI output would be dead), but at that point you would mute the receiver and turn up the TV's speakers.

I asked, "Now, with this receiver, I'm thinking all I have to do is keep the one HDMI from Display to the AVR, and then all the other components into the AVR. In doing this, will I still get 6.1 from the display via the receiver?"

answer - You're not getting anything from the display; you're only sending video and stereo audio to the display. Otherwise, the answer to your question is yes!

I was told this…
"Put simply, if you run an HDMI from your display to the receiver you will only get 2.1 audio (some sort of restriction due to copyright laws) IS THIS TRUE?

answer -
Horsepucky. First of all, the wording implies that there's an HDMI output on the TV, which there most certainly is not. Yes the TV and all the other HDMI devices in your system must be HDCP (High Definition Copy Protection) compliant, which they are. But it isn't the TV that deals with the surround sound.

"You must pass all audio through the receiver first in order to get all the audio formats in proper 7.1."

answer -True.

"If you want to sometimes just have the display on without the receiver you can run a separate optical cable for audio and a component video feed directly to the display from the cable box/sat receiver."

asked - "In looking at the specs, would I just be able to hook it up with my original idea...one HDMI from Display to the AVR, and everything else into the AVR?"

answer -Yes.

"Currently, I think there a few 5.1 Dolby programming channels on TV, and the 6th rear-center speaker matrixes along with the rear-right and rear left speaker."

answer - The HDMI from the cable box will be hooked into the Yamaha and once that particular input is selected, the Yamaha will process any and all digital surround signals available on the cable channels.

To that, I would say, "Variety is the spice of life."

and Thanks for all your patience!
post #126 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rivrbyte View Post

Hello to All!

What I want to do...(the back story)
I have a new Yamaha RX-V665 AVR. I have a HDTV Display on the wall with one HDMI in the wall and will be connected to my Receiver, then Time-Warner DVR and Bluray via HDMI into receiver,then CD/DVD prog.scan for playing Mp3's using component cables and VCR composite cables into the receiver. I had issues which confused me on whether I wanted a choice on listening to ONLY the TV speakers,or the receiver for movies,BD, etc. Lot of people wrote me telling me I would need this and that, like a TOS optical cable from TV to receiver,or even running all the individual HDMI cables from TV to each of the components.
Consensus? If your going to have a surround system,why not use it all the time? I just would like to know what options I have at this point, since the TV is already on the wall, with one HDMI (in wall) out to the receiver.

The 665 isn't going to convert analog audio to digital and output it over HDMI to your TV. It also won't pass analog audio to the TV when it's turned off.

Beyond that, it's not clear what you're asking. TVs don't support multichannel audio input over HDMI for the most part.

Suggest re-reading the manuals for the TV and the 665.
post #127 of 1926
I tried playing the Blu-Ray of "The Doors" which supposedly has a 7.1 channel DTS-HD Master Audio track. I set my PS3 to bitstream output and played the movie back...when I did I noticed that only 6 channels were lighting up on the 665 instead of the expected 8 (the back surrounds were not lighting up). The 665 is currently set for "straight " pass through. Am I missing a setting on either the 665 or my PS3 which would explain this? When I played the uncompressed 7.1 track from 3:10 to Yuma (again with the PS3 set to bitstream) I saw all 8 channels light up on the 665.
post #128 of 1926
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Originally Posted by RickD_99 View Post

I tried playing the Blu-Ray of "The Doors" which supposedly has a 7.1 channel DTS-HD Master Audio track. I set my PS3 to bitstream output and played the movie back...when I did I noticed that only 6 channels were lighting up on the 665 instead of the expected 8 (the back surrounds were not lighting up). The 665 is currently set for "straight " pass through. Am I missing a setting on either the 665 or my PS3 which would explain this? When I played the uncompressed 7.1 track from 3:10 to Yuma (again with the PS3 set to bitstream) I saw all 8 channels light up on the 665.

The Yamaha speaker lights indicate the channels it is receiving, so the short answer is that the PS3 is sending 5.1, not 7.1.

Since you're here, does the 665 allow you to set a 7.1 decoder on the DTS-MA bitstream? Such as PLIIx?
post #129 of 1926
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Originally Posted by RickD_99 View Post

I tried playing the Blu-Ray of "The Doors" which supposedly has a 7.1 channel DTS-HD Master Audio track. I set my PS3 to bitstream output and played the movie back...when I did I noticed that only 6 channels were lighting up on the 665 instead of the expected 8 (the back surrounds were not lighting up). The 665 is currently set for "straight " pass through. Am I missing a setting on either the 665 or my PS3 which would explain this? When I played the uncompressed 7.1 track from 3:10 to Yuma (again with the PS3 set to bitstream) I saw all 8 channels light up on the 665.

PS3 can't bitstream the HD codecs. You need to set it to PCM so it'll decode them and pass uncompressed MPCM. From what I understand, there is no loss in quality one way or the other between the bitstreamed codecs (on other players) and the PS3's decoded MPCM. The fancy lights and labels just won't show up on the receiver.
post #130 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I don't think anyone should plan to use this or any other low to mid priced AVR for video processing and scaling. Your monitor is more than capable for that job.
Even A-D video conversion is a questionable feature that should only be used if your monitor lacks enough inputs. The 665 has a decent scaler but terrible de-interlacer which will not result in pleasing conversions of SD video. Leave it to the monitor if at all possible, and do not use scaling. Pass 480i to 480i, etc.

That said, I think this is a terrific candidate for a pre/pro application, just as the 661 and 663 are. The front end is the best we've seen yet from Yamaha in this class, audio processing and room setup is right up there with much more expensive AVRs.

Unless I'm mistaken, I think the 665 has a pass through option on the video which would allow your TV set to do the up-conversion. Is this what you recommend?
post #131 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rivrbyte View Post

Hello to All!
...

I was told this…
"Put simply, if you run an HDMI from your display to the receiver you will only get 2.1 audio (some sort of restriction due to copyright laws) IS THIS TRUE?

answer
Horsepucky. First of all, the wording implies that there's an HDMI output on the TV, which there most certainly is not. Yes the TV and all the other HDMI devices in your system must be HDCP (High Definition Copy Protection) compliant, which they are. But it isn't the TV that deals with the surround sound.

If the 665 has an option to turn on HDMI output, e.g. "tv" or "amp+tv" you would most likely be limited to two channel output from the source device. This has nothing to do with HDCP. This has to do with the source device being restricted to the audio capabilities of the TV.

HDMI output in standbye mode does not affect what can be output from the source device to the receiver when the receiver is fully powered on. I am talking about the option to send HDMI audio to your TV when the receiver is on. If you don't understand any of this, a simple experiment will likely demonstrate what happens.

In general, it's simplest to just use your receiver at all times. If you want to just use the TV for TV, turn on HDMI out in standbye, and fix the output to your TV source. That's the simplest way to do it. For all other sources, turn on your receiver and play your audio through the connected speakers. Seems like you want to be able to get audio to the TV from all sources all the time so that you can turn your receiver off whenever you want. That will get complicated, IMO.
post #132 of 1926
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Originally Posted by 40yearfan View Post

Unless I'm mistaken, I think the 665 has a pass through option on the video which would allow your TV set to do the up-conversion. Is this what you recommend?

Yes, in all cases. Analog inputs always get passed through to analog outputs anyhow. If you need to use HDMI output exclusively, let the 665 convert to digital but do not upscale.
post #133 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Yes, in all cases. Analog inputs always get passed through to analog outputs anyhow. If you need to use HDMI output exclusively, let the 665 convert to digital but do not upscale.

Thanks for the quick reply.
post #134 of 1926
I really wish there was a way to switch the source when the receiver is in stand by.
post #135 of 1926
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Originally Posted by RickD_99 View Post

I tried playing the Blu-Ray of "The Doors" which supposedly has a 7.1 channel DTS-HD Master Audio track. I set my PS3 to bitstream output and played the movie back...when I did I noticed that only 6 channels were lighting up

Orta is correct -- the PS3 cannot bitstream hi-res audio so "bistream" is actually the incorrect setting. Set your PS3 to "PCM" output over HDMI (in the "Video Options"), and let it to an "auto detect" to check that your receiver can handle everything up to 7.1 PCM (you can do this under "Display Settings" or "Audio Settings"). Only properly configured, it will decode the DTS-MA track and output it as lossless 7.1 PCM.

If you set it on "bistream" it will be sending a downmixed Dolby Digital track or the DTS "core" track, both of which will only be 5.1.
post #136 of 1926
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Orta is correct -- the PS3 cannot bitstream hi-res audio so "bistream" is actually the incorrect setting. Set your PS3 to "PCM" output over HDMI (in the "Video Options"), and let it to an "auto detect" to check that your receiver can handle everything up to 7.1 PCM (you can do this under "Display Settings" or "Audio Settings"). Only properly configured, it will decode the DTS-MA track and output it as lossless 7.1 PCM.

If you set it on "bistream" it will be sending a downmixed Dolby Digital track or the DTS "core" track, both of which will only be 5.1.

Thanks to you and Orta for your quick replies...I was not aware of the limitation of the PS3 for bitstreaming the advanced HD audio codecs. Yet another reason for me to upgrade to the upcoming Oppo BDP-83!
post #137 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The Yamaha speaker lights indicate the channels it is receiving, so the short answer is that the PS3 is sending 5.1, not 7.1.

Since you're here, does the 665 allow you to set a 7.1 decoder on the DTS-MA bitstream? Such as PLIIx?

I have not looked at that as a possibility yet...I'm currently out of town but will look into this when I get back and will let you know.
post #138 of 1926
Just bought this receiver. My idea is to send the pre-outs for front L/R through my Mac/Dahlquist DQ-10 audio system, and use the 665 and my other mounted 7.1 system for all of the other channels. All works well, but requires me to run the speaker config to change the front speakers from "small" to "large" to get full freq response to the DQ-10's. So I guess the eqs for small speaker use are before the pre-outs. (My small front 7.1 speaker won't handle full freq range.)

I could set up "Scenes" and eq the fronts differently for each set of speakers, but switching to "Pure Direct" defeats that eq (but seems to keep the "small/large" speaker config.)

So I guess I'm looking for a "work-around". I know I "could" adjust the eq on the Mac to accommodate the loss of lower freqs, but I know that doesn't give satisfactory results. (I'm probably asking too much from this little receiver.) Anyone with ideas? Thanks.
post #139 of 1926
are you talking about having a separate 2-channel music setup in addition to a 7.1 HT setup? I would think you would be able to use the "B" speakers for the DQ's, I don't know how much flexibility Yamaha allows for 2 CH with "B" speakers vs. 7.1 with "A" speakers.

Someone familiar with Yammies should chime in, but as an example with Denons, if you so choose, you can have a completely different setup in 2-channel modes versus multichannel modes, and it will automatically shut off the main 7.1 system and turn on the "B" speakers whenever you switch to STEREO or DIRECT. Do the 66X and higher Yamahas, with "B" speaker terminals, allow something similar?

another option is to use the Zone 2 pre-outs to feed the 2nd system, in most receiver the zone 2 RCA output is a line level signal and the receiver doesn't do any processing / EQ to that signal. then you could listen to music in the 2nd system without affecting 7.1 in the main system.
post #140 of 1926
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

are you talking about having a separate 2-channel music setup in addition to a 7.1 HT setup? I would think you would be able to use the "B" speakers for the DQ's, I don't know how much flexibility Yamaha allows for 2 CH with "B" speakers vs. 7.1 with "A" speakers.

Someone familiar with Yammies should chime in, but as an example with Denons, if you so choose, you can have a completely different setup in 2-channel modes versus multichannel modes, and it will automatically shut off the main 7.1 system and turn on the "B" speakers whenever you switch to STEREO or DIRECT. Do the 66X and higher Yamahas, with "B" speaker terminals, allow something similar?

another option is to use the Zone 2 pre-outs to feed the 2nd system, in most receiver the zone 2 RCA output is a line level signal and the receiver doesn't do any processing / EQ to that signal. then you could listen to music in the 2nd system without affecting 7.1 in the main system.

Thanks, that is a good idea. Yes, I use a completely separate setup for 2-channel stereo listening. Unfortunately the 665 doesn't have enough power to drive the DQ-10's the way I'd like, and there's no pre-out for zone 2; I hadn't considered "zoning". Thanks.
post #141 of 1926
My system has four players: LG VD370; Panasonic BD35; Toshiba HDA35; and Pioneer Elite DV-48AV with Mitshbishi HDTV 73733. Recently I changed to the Yamaha 665 and now on ANY player some, but not all anamorphic DVDs show with black bars on the sides like regular 4:3 DVDs. All BD and HD-DVD discs play correctly on the respective players. I called Yamaha and they say the problem is my TV.
Until I installed this player, I used the Pioneer VSX1018 with no problem.
Does anyone here know if I can fix this without a new TV? Will a new TV solve any such problem?
Amazon replaced one 665 already and no change.
post #142 of 1926
are all players hooked up with HDMI? if so, it's not the receiver because HDMI video is simply passing through.

does your TV allow you to stretch HD signals? definitely check the settings on all of your players to confirm that they are set up for 16:9 output over HDMI. most DVD player will also have a control setting for how to handle stretching.

are you sure it's anamorphic DVD's? does that mean they look squished horizontally when displaying in 4:3?
post #143 of 1926
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Originally Posted by Paul Beck View Post

My system has four players: LG VD370; Panasonic BD35; Toshiba HDA35; and Pioneer Elite DV-48AV with Mitshbishi HDTV 73733. Recently I changed to the Yamaha 665 and now on ANY player some, but not all anamorphic DVDs show with black bars on the sides like regular 4:3 DVDs. All BD and HD-DVD discs play correctly on the respective players. I called Yamaha and they say the problem is my TV.
Until I installed this player, I used the Pioneer VSX1018 with no problem.
Does anyone here know if I can fix this without a new TV? Will a new TV solve any such problem?
Amazon replaced one 665 already and no change.

I think a little more investigation is in order. The Yamaha does nothing with aspect ratios, but if you have upscaling enabled, turn it off till you sort it out. The player is the most likely culprit, and needs to have a setting changed.
post #144 of 1926
All are connected with HDMI cables and set for 16:9. Strangely when I reattach the Pioneer everything is fine.
I much prefer the Yamaha sound and ease of setup.
I have a collection of over seven thousand DVDs, many of all types and I am sure when they are anamorphic. Many are old movies in 4:3 and they play correctly with any combination.
Blu-ray discs all play perfectly.
post #145 of 1926
well it's definitely not the receiver as HDMI is simply passed through.

have you taken an anamorphic DVD and tried it in all 4 players to see if the problem is consistent?
post #146 of 1926
Just purchased this unit off newegg.com with the free 10" polk subwoofer they threw in. I'll be hooking it up as a second subwoofer since this is a 7.2 system. I'll review how the Yamaha sounds once everything is hooked up.
post #147 of 1926
This is consistent with all four players, strangely only with specific DVDs. For instance the HQV Benchmark DVD from Silicon Optix - even the test with the "round" circle is oblong instead of circular. My very first DVD I purchased March 1997 of "Birdcage" plays correctly as anamorphic as do most discs. It is more of a puzzle I have not encountered previously and would like to solve some way.
post #148 of 1926
There are some misconceptions about what players can do. For instance, the Panasonic DVD and Blu-ray players I have owned all play the early widescreen 4:3 used by Fox like an anamorphic DVD while no other players do that.
But back to the strange problem with the Yamaha RX-V665: when I hook up my older Pioneer 1018 (by sitting it next to the cabinet and connecting the HDMI cables to it) the anamorphic DVDs that show as tall and skiny now are correctly shown. This is with everything exactly the same, only changing the connection from the 665 to the 1018.
Before I did this I also replaced all the HDMI cables which made no difference. Since both the current 665 and the previous one which was returned show the DVDs incorrectly I am still trying to solve the problem.
An example: the TV series on Acorn "Blue Murder" has the problem with the first season, but seasons two and three are correct.
What else should I examine?
So far Yamaha has not responded to my email of early Thursday.
post #149 of 1926
how is this new Yamie compares with the Denon 1909?

TIA
post #150 of 1926
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Originally Posted by na_tra View Post

how is this new Yamie compares with the Denon 1909?

TIA

If you don't need pre amp outputs (7.1) the Denon has a better amp, the 765 is more like the 1909. If you have large speakers to drive go with the 1909 or the 765. Its best to download the manuals and take a good hard look at them before you buy..
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