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post #421 of 1926
i have the rm75 polk audio surround speakers and the t 15 bookself polk audio speakers as my fronts and a psw10 polk audio sub sound good for the price i think the only question i have is in the manual for my avr it say if my sub doesnt have the single sub in and has a L and R that i am supposed to turn it to 60hz to make it true lfe unfiltered which i have done anyone have any thoughts on this?
post #422 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

YPAO tends to be too generous with small speakers and set the crossover too low. I'd expect those to benefit from something above 100Hz, but let your ears be your guide. YPAO is just a starting point.

How far should you turn up what dial?

Speaker placement should be decided before you run YPAO, and YPAO should be re-run if you change it. The V665 manual has a page on speaker placements that's pretty good.

Thanks for the feedback. A couple more quick questions.

What should the LFE be set to? sub or both
When I turn dial (db) onto zero or low positives than I hear a crackling sound with the center channel during explosion scenes on blu-ray movies. Why? Should 100 watt speakers be able to get onto those levels?

Is there another option with LFE or just to set it at sub or both?
post #423 of 1926
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Originally Posted by Scadden24 View Post

i have a samsung lcd tv so i should not have the anynet thing turned on then is what the manual is saying and i should have the hdmi control set to off then?

Also have Samsung and keep the CEC turned off in there too cause I don't like the way it messes with stuff. In theory, you'd only need to have it turned off at one end or the other, but better to be safe when you're troubleshooting. Some BD players have it too.
post #424 of 1926
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Originally Posted by dman99 View Post

Thanks for the feedback. A couple more quick questions.

What should the LFE be set to? sub or both
When I turn dial (db) onto zero or low positives than I hear a crackling sound with the center channel during explosion scenes on blu-ray movies. Why? Should 100 watt speakers be able to get onto those levels?

Is there another option with LFE or just to set it at sub or both?

Unless you have big-assed full-range front speakers, the LF/LFE setting should be set to sub only. Again, the manual details what this setting does. LFE never gets sent to the fronts, only LF from speakers set to small.

A volume setting of 0db is driving the amps pretty hard and clipping is a certainty as well as possible speaker damage depending on the quality of the source material. Sounds like your center is feeling poorly anyway.
post #425 of 1926
Has anyone found a way to display the PEQ results from YPAO? The previous models could do this from the auto-setup results screen, but not with the 665.

I really object to not being able to see what the PEQ is doing.
post #426 of 1926
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Originally Posted by dman99 View Post

Thanks for the feedback. A couple more quick questions.

What should the LFE be set to? sub or both
When I turn dial (db) onto zero or low positives than I hear a crackling sound with the center channel during explosion scenes on blu-ray movies. Why? Should 100 watt speakers be able to get onto those levels?

Is there another option with LFE or just to set it at sub or both?

Your center channel speaker should not do that.

0 dB should be very loud - at least it is on my system. There are ramifications to that.

You could be actually exceeding the center speaker's physical excursion limits. That would be bad and would sound awful.

Your center channel could already have damage, which you can hear when the volume is high enough.

It's likely not clipping as you should hear distortion before that point and on other speakers as well. Although, your chances of clipping at 0 dB seem good.
post #427 of 1926
Having played with it for a couple days, I though I'd offer my impressions. I'm switching from a V661 to the V665, both being used as pre/pro with the 665 driving only the back surrounds. Updating the firmware was the first job, and this went well.

The 665 is in some ways a step down from the 661 in terms of flexibility of setup. This is more than balanced by the 665's ease of setup and much more intuitive remote and operation. The front panel display on the 665 is sparse to say the least, although a few button presses will display whatever you need to know.

I'm disappointed that the Extended Surround setting is global and cannot be assigned separately to different inputs. I does however work well with Dolby THD and DTS-MA. Likewise, you cannot assign a specific decoder to different inputs, but the 665 will remember the last one you used, also the SCENE function will remember the last decoder used. Also disappointed that the FP display has changed from showing the channels being input to the channels being output. However you can still use the "info" function to see what the input is.

Component video conversion to HDMI is a bit disappointing, PQ-wise, but this is not a surprise. I recommend turning off the upscaling and setting it to "through" for all video. All but the cheapest monitors will do a better job with the scaling and conversion.

Although the inputs cannot for the most part be assigned, there are MANY different inputs offering enough for most users needs.

All in all, for the $350 price I paid, this is a no-brainer as a pre/pro. It provides HDMI switching, the full palate of decoders and simple, intuitive operation. For HDMI inputs, it really is a plug-n-play component and needs almost no setup. Smaller than most AVRs, it will fit most anywhere. Lightweight and cool running.

If I was paying full retail price, I might look at some other AVR's, but for the price I paid, this is really the only unit with pre-outs.
post #428 of 1926
Has anyone had any experience/issues with the RX-V665 and an HTPC?

I am running HDMI out of my HTPC and all seems to work well until I try to play a Blu Ray disc. When trying, it fails. ArcSoft reports all is well with one exception - HDCP.

I have tried running my HTPC directly into my Sony 46z4100 with no issues - Blu Rays play fine. Obviously, however, this means no surround sound.


So what I am trying to figure out is where the HDCP signal/handshake/whatever is getting lost.

Any ideas?
post #429 of 1926
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Originally Posted by vonny3 View Post

Has anyone had any experience/issues with the RX-V665 and an HTPC?
I am running HDMI out of my HTPC and all seems to work well until I try to play a Blu Ray disc. When trying, it fails. ArcSoft reports all is well with one exception - HDCP.
I have tried running my HTPC directly into my Sony 46z4100 with no issues - Blu Rays play fine. Obviously, however, this means no surround sound.
So what I am trying to figure out is where the HDCP signal/handshake/whatever is getting lost.
Any ideas?

The 665 offers a display of HDMI errors in the "signal info" screen.

Can you be a little more forthcoming with information about what "it fails" means? The 665 is fully HDCP compliant, and in fact will not handshake with any non-HDCP hardware. (according to the manual)

What are your HDMI settings on the 665?
post #430 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The 665 offers a display of HDMI errors in the "signal info" screen.

Can you be a little more forthcoming with information about what "it fails" means? The 665 is fully HDCP compliant, and in fact will not handshake with any non-HDCP hardware. (according to the manual)

What are your HDMI settings on the 665?

Sorry for the vagueness on my part.

By it fails, I was referring to the "Blu-ray check" offered by ArcSoft Total Media Extreme's BD/HD DVD Guide.

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/hdcpfails.jpg/

Signal info on the receiver is reporting HDMI & 1080p In and out - not sure if there is more info I should be seeing on this. Sorry if I am missing info here.

HDMI settings on the receiver:
Control - on
Resolution - 1080p
Aspect - 16:9

I have also tried it with the receiver set to through with no change in results.

Thanks again for any input!
post #431 of 1926
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Originally Posted by vonny3 View Post

Signal info on the receiver is reporting HDMI & 1080p In and out - not sure if there is more info I should be seeing on this. Sorry if I am missing info here.

It will report HDMI errors when they occur. Covered in the manual with a list of errors. A failed handshake due to an HDCP issue would be one of them.
post #432 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

It will report HDMI errors when they occur. Covered in the manual with a list of errors. A failed handshake due to an HDCP issue would be one of them.

So, since no errors are listed, would it be correct in saying that the AVR is under the assumption that the signal is HDCP compliant?
post #433 of 1926
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Originally Posted by vonny3 View Post

So, since no errors are listed, would it be correct in saying that the AVR is under the assumption that the signal is HDCP compliant?

Assuming a signal is actually being sent, yes. The 665 is reporting that all is well and it's sending video to the monitor.
post #434 of 1926
It is definitely sending video.

The only time I run into any playback issues is when trying to play a BluRay.

Once I fire up TME or PowerDVD and hit play while a BD is in the drive though, the movie will not play and the software reports that the HDCP compliancy check failed and suggests using an analog output as a workaround...
post #435 of 1926
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Originally Posted by vonny3 View Post

It is definitely sending video.

The only time I run into any playback issues is when trying to play a BluRay.

Once I fire up TME or PowerDVD and hit play while a BD is in the drive though, the movie will not play and the software reports that the HDCP compliancy check failed and suggests using an analog output as a workaround...

And that's the time to check the error message on the 665. But it sounds like an issue with the software. A work-around might be AnyDVD-HD running on the PC.
post #436 of 1926
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Originally Posted by vonny3 View Post

Has anyone had any experience/issues with the RX-V665 and an HTPC?

I am running HDMI out of my HTPC and all seems to work well until I try to play a Blu Ray disc. When trying, it fails. ArcSoft reports all is well with one exception - HDCP.

I have tried running my HTPC directly into my Sony 46z4100 with no issues - Blu Rays play fine. Obviously, however, this means no surround sound.


So what I am trying to figure out is where the HDCP signal/handshake/whatever is getting lost.

Any ideas?

Not sure if this is any help, but have you updated the software on the 665 here:
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/p...DETYP=RELATION

I've never run an HTPC but the update did solve a handshake issue between my blu-ray player and my plasma.
post #437 of 1926
Hey Fellas....i have read the entire thread...and i think i have my issue identified.but its worth an ask.

Had a receiver get hit by lightning so i went to best buy...

Got the reciever hooked up great...working well on Xbox 360....except when i try to play Netflix or any movie....

All i get is audio, no video...

So i assume its the HDCP that my older 65 inch Olevia TV cant deal with

Before i take the receiver back to Best Buy ....any ideas?

Thanks

Cipro
post #438 of 1926
Running into an issue with my 765. I sucessfully ran the firmware update. Now when I watch cable via my set top box, if I change between a non-HD channe and a HD channel the screen goes black. I can hear the show being played, but the video isn't shown. The only way to get the video back is to power cycle the receiver. Anyone else having this issue?
post #439 of 1926
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Originally Posted by johnny5 View Post

Running into an issue with my 765. I sucessfully ran the firmware update. Now when I watch cable via my set top box, if I change between a non-HD channe and a HD channel the screen goes black. I can hear the show being played, but the video isn't shown. The only way to get the video back is to power cycle the receiver. Anyone else having this issue?

Clearly a handshake issue. I have some minor handshake issues with the 665 on the new FW too. Not much you can do but complain to Yamaha and the cable company, apart from trying different HDMI settings on the 765. As a work-around, you don't need to power cycle, just switch HDMI inputs and back again.
post #440 of 1926
Sometimes you just have to switch to component if available to make it work.
post #441 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Clearly a handshake issue. I have some minor handshake issues with the 665 on the new FW too. Not much you can do but complain to Yamaha and the cable company, apart from trying different HDMI settings on the 765. As a work-around, you don't need to power cycle, just switch HDMI inputs and back again.

What issues does the firmware update address again?
post #442 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Clearly a handshake issue. I have some minor handshake issues with the 665 on the new FW too. Not much you can do but complain to Yamaha and the cable company, apart from trying different HDMI settings on the 765. As a work-around, you don't need to power cycle, just switch HDMI inputs and back again.

Thanks, thats what I was thinking too. Guess it time to give Yamaha a call. Wasn't the new firmware supposed to improve HDMI functionality??? Instead, its made it worse.
post #443 of 1926
We have had issues with just about every brand of receiver with HDMI. Certain pieces just don't like to play well with other pieces. I've talked to some experts on this at some trainings and often the big offenders are your TV service providers equipment. Most are not what I consider high end equipment but we tend to blame the receiver, TV, etc.

The manufacturers are trying to be compatible with everyone but even among the same cable company they use different brands of equipment and different firmware depending on the region. So it isn't as simple as people think. Sat is a little easier for standardized equipment but still not high end equipment.

Anyway, one solution to your problem is set your cable box to a fixed resolution (1080i or 720P depending on equipment and preference). I know ideally we would like to feed the native signal to either the receiver or TV so the better equipment can do the video processing. But, sometimes reliability is more important.

As mentioned using component is another solution. One other possible solution is an HDMI signal restorer but it is not cheap but typically works very well.

Bob
post #444 of 1926
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Originally Posted by johnny5 View Post

Thanks, thats what I was thinking too. Guess it time to give Yamaha a call. Wasn't the new firmware supposed to improve HDMI functionality??? Instead, its made it worse.

Welcome to the world of HDMI and HDCP. This is common when changes are made. Fixes one thing and breaks another.

I'm unable to get the 665 to handshake with any HDMI inputs when my monitor is switched off unless I unplug the monitor. Never had that trouble with the same setup and the 661.

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Originally Posted by bsavitz View Post

What issues does the firmware update address again?

According to the release notes, it mainly adds assignability to one Component video input, and some unspecified improvements to HDMI connectivity. Unless you have a specific need for either, I would advise against installing the update.
post #445 of 1926
Agreed, unless someone needs to assign an audio port to the component input, I would avoid this firmware update. The receiver worked fine with the previous firmware, 028. My previous receiver was a rx-v1600 and I had no issues with the HDMI connects which is why this is so frustrating. My wife asks why the video isn't working with the new receiver
post #446 of 1926
I talked o Yamaha tech support. They had me go into the Advanced Menu and disable the monitor check (pg 64). So far so good, I'm getting audo and video when switching between non-hd and hd channels.
post #447 of 1926
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Originally Posted by johnny5 View Post

I talked o Yamaha tech support. They had me go into the Advanced Menu and disable the monitor check (pg 64). So far so good, I'm getting audo and video when switching between non-hd and hd channels.

Excellent. I tried that here and it had no effect on my handshaking issues.
post #448 of 1926
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I'm unable to get the 665 to handshake with any HDMI inputs when my monitor is switched off unless I unplug the monitor. Never had that trouble with the same setup and the 661.

That would be very annoying. They did change HDMI chips with the new model series.

HDMI apparently continues to be a pain in the neck for many people. Thankfully my HDMI issues have been minor in comparison.

Of course, they are working on HDMI 1.4 rather than working with manufacturers to improve the HDMI we now all have - funny and not funny at the same time, if you know what I mean.
post #449 of 1926
I just got my RX-V765, are you guys recommending skipping the firmware update???
post #450 of 1926
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

I just got my RX-V765, are you guys recommending skipping the firmware update???

Yes, skip it unless you have a need for it.
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