HD Streaming Anything Close to Blu-ray? No. - Page 2

Originally Posted by stumlad

The 360 and its 28 million users discovered that they could watch netflix on their big tv starting at only $9 a month... of course they were going to get new customers. Until then it cost $4-5 a movie rental on the 360, so this was a bargain.

Imagine if the PS3 didnt have blu-ray playback at first (assume it sold the same amount)... Now imagine if one day sony announced that the 20 million people who own a PS3 can now play back blu-ray movies on their consoles. Do you think there may be a surge in sales equivalent or greater than what netflix experienced?

The BD Forum should rest assured that the internet will never get any faster, compression codecs will never become more efficient, and the quality of streaming HD will never get any better. Accordingly, internet distribution will never threaten BD as a medium of media distribution.

Several studies done by the nation's top scientologist have proven that the internet is a dead technology, and in the future there is zero chance that it will be able to compete with technologies that exist today. The internet is a niche technology, isn't likely to catch on or improve, and so BD is all but guarenteed to be the superiour technology of the future.

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A 20 Mbps peak bit rate HDX title from Vudu will look every bit as good as a 48 Mbps peak bit rate blu-ray disc to 99.999% of the population. The 5.1 audio needs improvement in my opinion but to most people it will not matter.

Originally Posted by seggers

to answer the op's question, no streaming won't be as good as bd, because it just doesn't have the bitrate and requires extra compression to make the file size paletable to stream.

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so riddle me this batman, why do these discussions always turn into how dl will rule the world in only a few years? And why are people pushing it (including trying to push people to the dl threads) when quite a few people, me included, don't give a rats ass about vod/dl/streaming as none of it is anywhere near as good as a bd?

If you're that great into the dl stuff, what are you doing in a software disc thread? Maybe i should go over to the dl/vod/streaming area and start banging on about how much better bd is than vod and how i pity them for their strange views (and yes, some of the vitriol about dling seems like that to me).

Oh wait, i don't do that because i don't care if they dl to their hearts content, i prefer bd, which is why i'm in the bd section..... Plus i respect their decision on their prefered viewing method. Shame it doesn't work the same way in reverse.....
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seggers

Originally Posted by kevivoe

A 20 Mbps peak bit rate HDX title from Vudu will look every bit as good as a 48 Mbps peak bit rate blu-ray disc to 99.999% of the population. The 5.1 audio needs improvement in my opinion but to most people it will not matter.

By the way I am the only person in our household that DL's HDX. Everyone else just goes for the cheaper SD versions. We have HD DVD, blu-ray and Vudu and disc purchasing stopped when I introduced Vudu to the home theater. If my wife and daughter (who are not videophiles) choose it over Wal-Mart SD discs then that tells me something about the future of optical discs and esp. HD optical discs that cost even more. They are toast. Not enough videophiles to carry them too far. And people argue over the need to purchase even an HDTV in America.

If Vudu goes away I will have spent $99 on the box. That's much less than the HD-A35 and PS3 cost me and I don't have a pile of discs to contend with either. HD optical was a good idea in 2006. By 2011 it won't seem like taht anymore to a vast majority of the population.

Originally Posted by seggers

To answer the OP's question, no streaming won't be as good as BD, because it just doesn't have the bitrate and requires extra compression to make the file size paletable to stream.

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So riddle me this Batman, why do these discussions always turn into how DL will rule the world in only a few years? And why are people pushing it (including trying to push people to the DL threads) when quite a few people, me included, don't give a rats ass about VOD/DL/streaming as none of it is anywhere near as good as a BD?

If you're that great into the DL stuff, what are you doing in a software disc thread? Maybe I should go over to the DL/VOD/streaming area and start banging on about how much better BD is than VOD and how I pity them for their strange views (and yes, some of the vitriol about DLing seems like that to me).

Oh wait, I don't do that because I don't care if they DL to their hearts content, I prefer BD, which is why I'm in the BD section..... Plus I respect their decision on their prefered viewing method. Shame it doesn't work the same way in reverse.....
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Originally Posted by av.pallino

How many rounds did Sony have? what about Pioneer?

What about the growth in streaming sites like Joost and Hulu. I posted in another thread, but Hulu and Joost combine for 5M users per month and had a growth of over 1800%. But will that be reported. Of course not because no one cares about streaming!

If Vudu fails it will be because they targeted the videophile market, not the mainstream. The PS3 failed because Sony assumed resolution was king. It isn't. Content is! Folks like apple know that.

It doesn't matter how good a format is if studios hold back content or price the content too high.

Killzone 2 Earns a GameTrailers Diamond Award for hitting 10,000,000 video viewings

GameTrailers.com (GT), the premier provider of video for gamers and a division of Viacom Inc.'s MTV Networks Entertainment Group, announced today that Sony Computer Entertainment of America's, first-person shooter Killzone 2, has won the GameTrailers Diamond Award for surpassing 10,000,000 video views on GT.com. Killzone 2 is the next-gen sequel to the original 2004 release of Killzone. GameTrailers' media tracking tool, StreamStats, was used to determine that Killzone 2 reached the required 10 million views to earn Sony their second GT Diamond Award.

Originally Posted by Calamus

In comparison to the first CGI video, most say it looks better than what was promised. http://www.gameinfowire.com/news.asp?nid=13523

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

They have a Blu-ray plan but it is not exclusive. They could do the same thing for streaming. If it works for 1,100 Blu-ray titles surely it would work for 12,000 titles.

Then you should know they count a stream when ever you click on it to view. It gets counted regardless of how much is actually viewed. As stated earlier my total viewing time is probably less than 30 minutes yet there are many titles shown as viewed in my account.

There is no way to contact Netflix for feedback that I can find. If you know how then post it here.

Originally Posted by bald

I'm not sure why so many people see this as an either/or in 2009. Just because you own/watch BD doesn't mean HDX isn't useful to you, or vice versa. Both camps that act that way have their heads in the sand.

bald

Originally Posted by Calamus

I would personally hate that. I have grabed a few games that were highly rated, but total junk IMO. Since there was no return warrenty I did the next best thing and ebayed it to get all of my money back. I've also enjoyed some games that were trash per the reviews that I was able to get at a bargin.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If the streaming market is so lucrative then surely Netflix could extract a premium for it as well.

IMO, the number of streams that Netflix reports is a hoax. You can click many titles, never watch them yet they get counted. The proper way to do a count would be to register the count once the stream ends. But we both know that will not happen.

Originally Posted by bald

I have netflix / BD / VUDU etc blah blah blah. IMO, VUDU hdx is close enough on my 100" setup for the convenience it offers for rentals over BD. For me, cost is not the end-all-be-all.
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Originally Posted by PSound

I can't speak for everyone else, but when I respond to a thread here it is usually to provide information on an uninformed viewpoint or a false (or stale) datapoint. I know I keep on referring people to the Video Download section because many people seem to be making proclamations based on being poorly informed. There is tons of recent and relevant information if you want to be able to make informed comments about the topic.


The only real issue seems to be a small group of people who get their panties in a bunch whenever someone does not publically crow about how great everything is in "BD-Land". I generally do not respond if it is just someone being enthusiastic about what they like. I will respond when they try and support that with false info, misleading information or anecdotal evidence that runs counter to published reports or analysis.

If people would simply respect the difference between being a fan of something, and an objective observer than the level of conversation would be civil... and there would be less frequent discussions about the future of BD here.

I would also highly suggest that people read what others are saying instead of reading into what they are saying. When all is said and done, I really don't recall anyone stating that BD does not have some great things going for it... including solid near term growth and the best quality available today for the home consumer. The difference in opinion is really in viewing what the market split is going to be in the future, and understanding how that will impact the long term growth of Blu-ray.

Originally Posted by seggers

Firstly, it's good to see that this thread ended where it should have been in the first place. The DL area.

Secondly, I personally don't care if BD is all peaches and cream or doing a Titanic. It's BD. It's not DL/VOD/Streaming/HD Lite, or anything else that isn't BD. I don't care for DL etc, so I don't care to read about it.

Like I said before, people who want to DL, have at it and enjoy. If you don't like BD, then don't post in the BD section.

Although I now break my own rule as this thread was moved....

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Originally Posted by seggers

Firstly, it's good to see that this thread ended where it should have been in the first place. The DL area.

Secondly, I personally don't care if BD is all peaches and cream or doing a Titanic. It's BD. It's not DL/VOD/Streaming/HD Lite, or anything else that isn't BD. I don't care for DL etc, so I don't care to read about it.

Like I said before, people who want to DL, have at it and enjoy. If you don't like BD, then don't post in the BD section.

Although I now break my own rule as this thread was moved....

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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If the streaming market is so lucrative then surely Netflix could extract a premium for it as well.

IMO, the number of streams that Netflix reports is a hoax. You can click many titles, never watch them yet they get counted. The proper way to do a count would be to register the count once the stream ends. But we both know that will not happen.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

No, the name of the forum is HDTV Software Media Discussion. At present only Blu-ray, HD DVD and D-VHS (D-Theater) qualify. I believe the mods wants HD burning placed in certain threads elsewhere. HDTV hardware has its own forum.

When the HDTV Software Media Discussion forum first opened it was almost completely dominated by D-Theater discussions. It was pleasant because there was no competing format so all the discussions centered around the software (tapes). The D-VHS hardware was generally discussed in the HDTV Recorders forum.

Originally Posted by mproper

Actually, it probably should be 5 minutes before the end, since most people would hit "stop" before the credits finish rolling (and thus never reach the end of the stream).

I'm not sure how big of an issue the counting is, really. I mean, do you think 5% of it due to people starting but not finishing? or do you think i'ts closer to 50%? No way to tell really, but I'm guessing it's probably somewhere in the 10-15% range. It probably WAS higher back when it first rolled out with people testing it out and stuff, but now that the dust has settled, I'm not sure how much it would be.