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Replace my Elite 45tx with a 94tx?

post #1 of 70
2/21/09 at 4:22pm
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Hello,

I have the following setup:

Elite 45 TX Reciever
Elite 930HD 43" Plasma
Elite 47AI DVD Player
Monitor Audio Silver Series speakers

I found a 94tx floor model on sale at a Magnolia store with full warranty for 699. Is it worthwhile upgrade to my 45tx?

Thanks,
Jeff
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post #2 of 70
2/21/09 at 5:02pm
700. basically for that receiver is not bad considering it will bring you to the latest hdmi and audio codecs. I got the 94 as an upgrade to my 47tx a nearly 70lb monster, does it sound better no but I have to say that the 47 has more power, at the same volume settings. Aside from that the mcacc is better, video is superb, even tho I'm doing pass through. To finalize I'm happy with my purchase. On another note buy their warranty. Pioneer will not honer since its a floor model or open box, even tho its not stated in their warranty sheet. I called to ask!!!
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post #3 of 70
2/21/09 at 5:20pm
How about looking at other receiver manufacturers I know it will create havoc with the Appliqués. Why not take a breath and review Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo, Marantz and other Go to a few other B&M's, web. Do some reacerch
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post #4 of 70
2/21/09 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by rob47v View Post

On another note buy their warranty. Pioneer will not honer since its a floor model or open box, even tho its not stated in their warranty sheet. I called to ask!!!

Not sure who you talked to but that's BS as Pioneer will honor a warranty on a floor model or demo. I've been in that situation before and it's considered new merchandise. Besides, if it doesn't have a manufacturer's warranty you can't get an extended aftermarket warranty either from what I have read.
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post #5 of 70
2/21/09 at 5:27pm
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Haha I actually never planned to have all elite.

When I was researching TVs at that time the Elite reviewed the best for what I wanted, and flat out looked the best when I auditioned them - it was replacing my beloved Loewe TV that my movers broke..

The receiver I bought after laboring back and forth for a long time.

The DVD Player a forum member on ecoustics sold me for such a crazy cheap price I couldnt resist.

The 94TX just happen to be sitting on the shelf for sale as a floor model when I was picking up some blank DVDs today - Elite just seems to be in the right place at the right time

However, if I'm not really going to have any significant sound changes with the newer unit, then I really have no real reason to swap at this time. My 45tx has performed flawlessly since '03ish when I bought it

Jeff
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post #6 of 70
2/21/09 at 5:30pm
What... LOL! haha...LOL...Please! STOP IT, YOU ARE KILLING ME! LOL! Elite FANBOY
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post #7 of 70
2/21/09 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by sgtpeper View Post

Hello,

I have the following setup:

Elite 45 TX Reciever
Elite 930HD 43" Plasma
Elite 47AI DVD Player
Monitor Audio Silver Series speakers

I found a 94tx floor model on sale at a Magnolia store with full warranty for 699. Is it worthwhile upgrade to my 45tx?

Thanks,
Jeff

That sounds like a very nice deal as I purchased a lightly used vsx 92 for $650.00 about a year ago. These are great receivers and I would highly recommend one as I replaced a Denon AVR 4800 and couldn't be happier. The OSD is pretty weak but how often do you go into that anyway. They are also one of the best looking units on the market today.
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post #8 of 70
2/21/09 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by sgtpeper View Post

Haha I actually never planned to have all elite.

When I was researching TVs at that time the Elite reviewed the best for what I wanted, and flat out looked the best when I auditioned them - it was replacing my beloved Loewe TV that my movers broke..

The receiver I bought after laboring back and forth for a long time.

The DVD Player a forum member on ecoustics sold me for such a crazy cheap price I couldnt resist.

The 94TX just happen to be sitting on the shelf for sale as a floor model when I was picking up some blank DVDs today - Elite just seems to be in the right place at the right time

However, if I'm not really going to have any significant sound changes with the newer unit, then I really have no real reason to swap at this time. My 45tx has performed flawlessly since '03ish when I bought it

Jeff

Not that familiar with the 45TX, but I would imagine it's similar to my Denon AVR 4800. I have always been a huge Denon fan and twice owned either their top of the line or next to top of the line AV receivers and thought they were great. Where you'll really hear an advantage is in the processing of the newer codecs that the 45TX can't. DTS HDMA and DD TrueHD really do make a difference and for the price you are looking at, I don't think you can find a comparable receiver of the same quality. It's also nice to do all the HDMI switching through the receiver.
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post #9 of 70
2/21/09 at 5:37pm
I tested the 94 in my AV room and thought it was a good audio piece (I used my 5 channel Amp with the unit.) But, I know it was tested and it had the lowest Power Output compared to 3 or 4 other receivers in its class. On the Video, I was not impressed.
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post #10 of 70
2/21/09 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by B&W700guy View Post

I tested the 94 in my AV room and thought it was a good audio piece (I used my 5 channel Amp with the unit.) But, I know it was tested and it had the lowest Power Output compared to 3 or 4 other receivers in its class. On the Video, I was not impressed.

If you're referring to the S&V test, I believe they said there was either a flaw in the unit tested or in the equipment used to test it. Either way, it puts out plenty of power and as much if not more than my Denon did. Not sure why the video was a problem or what you are referring to as it should be just passing it through unless you have older equipment that doesn't allow HDMI or HD as I have never tested the processing by the reciever as it was a feature I didn't need or want.
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post #11 of 70
2/21/09 at 5:58pm
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If you're referring to the S&V test, I believe they said there was either a flaw in the unit tested or in the equipment used to test it.

That is a bold statement...I Never Heard that Please tell me where I can read that from S&V.

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Not sure why the video was a problem or what you are referring to as it should be just passing it through unless you have older equipment that doesn't allow HDMI or HD as I have never tested the processing by the reciever as it was a feature I didn't need or want.

All I said was that I was not Impressed with the Video. Sorry..it had DCDI, I was remembering that it didn't show all of the OSD in HD...went back to my notes Still, was not impressed. But one needs to reseach and find what they want
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post #12 of 70
2/21/09 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by B&W700guy View Post

That is a bold statement...I Never Heard that Please tell me where I can read that from S&V.



All I said was that I was not Impressed with the Video. You are correct, as I remember, there is no video processing. That is what I was looking for

Nothing bold about it at all as I was just going off of memory and don't really recall what was exactly said so I may not have it exactly right. Bottom line, the Pioneer has enough power to produce theater like sound in a moderate environment and that's all the majority need, and the difference between 100 watts and 130 watts is barely noticeable if at all.

As for the video processing, it will do video processing for analogue inputs if that's what a person needs but my Pioneer plasma does an excellent job in the video processing department already and all my setup is done digitally so it's not even an issue as the receiver just passes it through.

What would you recommend that's comparable to the VSX 94 for under $700.00? That's a tough price to beat for that much of a unit.
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post #13 of 70
2/21/09 at 6:28pm
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Nothing bold about it at all as I was just going off of memory and don't really recall what was exactly said so I may not have it exactly right. Bottom line, the Pioneer has enough power to produce theater like sound in a moderate environment and that's all the majority need, and the difference between 100 watts and 130 watts is barely noticeable if at all.

As for the video processing, it will do video processing for analogue inputs if that's what a person needs but my Pioneer plasma does an excellent job in the video processing department already and all my setup is done digitally so it's not even an issue as the receiver just passes it through.

What would you recommend that's comparable to the VSX 94 for under $700.00? That's a tough price to beat for that much of a unit.

First of all...we are not allowed to speak about anything different from MSRP Next thing, The OP never mentioned anything else but Elite. That is my issue I can understand why a person is a Fanboy of their purchase, but, I can't understand why a person is a manufacturers FANBOY. Do you agree that a person needs to review as many specs as possible Also, you can find receivers from Yamaha and Onkyo that would fit the bill at that price
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post #14 of 70
2/21/09 at 7:05pm
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Really, Im not a fanboy of any particular brand.

I bought all my pieces at different times. Considering I had a Loewe TV before my Elite plasma should say something lol. I went with Elite because to me it was the best. The receiver I bought before anything else as I got a killer deal on it and it reviewed well. Then someone on the forums offered me the dvd player at seriously a ridiculous price as he bought something new and needed to hide his purchase from his wife haha.

Yamaha would be a terrible match to my Monitor Audio speakers - at least it was when I was purchasing. Yes, I did actually test other receivers with the speakers before I bought the speakers - I actually brought my own receiver and played with the sound to see how it stacked up to the others. The yamaha is just not a good match for my speakers.

Back on topic: Will the sound really be that much different from my 45 that this is a must get item? I'm not really in the market, this just happen to be there at what I perceive to be a great price.

Jeff
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post #15 of 70
2/21/09 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by B&W700guy View Post

First of all...we are not allowed to speak about anything different from MSRP Next thing, The OP never mentioned anything else but Elite. That is my issue I can understand why a person is a Fanboy of their purchase, but, I can't understand why a person is a manufacturers FANBOY. Do you agree that a person needs to review as many specs as possible Also, you can find receivers from Yamaha and Onkyo that would fit the bill at that price

Wow buddy, climb down of that horse of yours and no reason to start tossing out accusations. Who supposedly is a fanboy? I happen to own a piece of equipment that I have found very satisfactory and let the OP know that what he was looking at was a very attractive price and most likely a bargain compared to comparable brands and models. He can go look at all the receivers in the world he wants but a deal like that could be gone before he makes a decision and he came in here for some help and advice and I offered my opinion.
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post #16 of 70
2/21/09 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by maxdog03 View Post

Not sure who you talked to but that's BS as Pioneer will honor a warranty on a floor model or demo. I've been in that situation before and it's considered new merchandise. Besides, if it doesn't have a manufacturer's warranty you can't get an extended aftermarket warranty either from what I have read.

Well iether I was lied to or tis true, I called cause I had a problem with a 92 which was traded with the 94. The 92 was take to an authorized repair shop they called pioneer and where told that demos and open box units would not be honered. Sorry I'm not making this up. I agree that if you buy a receiver or
what ever electronic from a store an authorized store at that the warranty should be honored. Pioneer says the purchase must be in an unopened box.
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post #17 of 70
2/21/09 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by sgtpeper View Post

Hello,

I have the following setup:

Elite 45 TX Reciever
Elite 930HD 43" Plasma
Elite 47AI DVD Player
Monitor Audio Silver Series speakers

I found a 94tx floor model on sale at a Magnolia store with full warranty for 699. Is it worthwhile upgrade to my 45tx?

Thanks,
Jeff

I'd upgrade if I was you. I have the 92 and Monitor Audio Silver series speakers and the combo sounds great.

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Yamaha would be a terrible match to my Monitor Audio speakers -

Jeff

You couldn't be more right. Monitor Audio are detailed speakers(not bright) and matching them with a bright receiver like a Yamaha would be painful.
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post #18 of 70
2/21/09 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by rob47v View Post

Well iether I was lied to or tis true, I called cause I had a problem with a 92 which was traded with the 94. The 92 was take to an authorized repair shop they called pioneer and where told that demos and open box units would not be honered. Sorry I'm not making this up. I agree that if you buy a receiver or
what ever electronic from a store an authorized store at that the warranty should be honored. Pioneer says the purchase must be in an unopened box.


Sorry for your problem, but I have never had any warranty issues with a demo or open box as far as getting warranty work done and have many a purchase at Magnolia under those circumstances. I would have gone back to Magnolia and pushed it up the ladder as some times companies like to offer resistance and see if the person easily goes away. Did Magnolia sell it to you with the stipulation that it had a warranty? That would have been something to get clarified at purchase time and if so, I would of had Magnolia eat the bill.
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post #19 of 70
2/21/09 at 7:43pm
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Legairre-

But do you think it will sound worlds better than my current Elite 45tx?

Thanks,
Jeff
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post #20 of 70
2/21/09 at 7:53pm
sgtpepper, I've had a lot of pre amps and receiver's used as pre amps, but I've never owned or heard the 45 so I can't say how it will sound by comparision.

sorry I couldn't be more helpful
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post #21 of 70
2/21/09 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by sgtpeper View Post

Legairre-

But do you think it will sound worlds better than my current Elite 45tx?

Thanks,
Jeff

I'll chime in again as I'm sure Legarrie will also. It depends on what you're after. If you're looking for HDMI switching and the ability to play the latest codecs, then yes it will be much better in sound quality for movie sound tracks and a much more versatile piece. As far as DD, DTS or just stereo then the improvement will likely not be as much but I found it to be improved over my Denon AVR 4800. If that's not important to you then it may not be worth upgrading, but I have never regretted the upgrade one bit.

PS- If you get it, then Legarrie is the man to listen to for setting it up as he's a guru when it comes to these Pioneers.
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post #22 of 70
2/21/09 at 9:03pm
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Wow buddy, climb down of that horse of yours and no reason to start tossing out accusations. Who supposedly is a fanboy? I happen to own a piece of equipment that I have found very satisfactory and let the OP know that what he was looking at was a very attractive price and most likely a bargain compared to comparable brands and models. He can go look at all the receivers in the world he wants but a deal like that could be gone before he makes a decision and he came in here for some help and advice and I offered my opinion.

First of all, you are not Cool Next of all, everything He owns that is electronics is Elite I am sorry if I a fended you and your receiver purchase? I NEVER called you a FANBOY of Elite! All I was saying is that he should check out other receivers. He comes up with how everything was a Perfect Storm Purchase, and I called him out on it. Then he makes the statement that Yamaha would be a bad choice with Monitor Speakers...you have got to be kidding me! Maybe you agree with him on that also?

You on the other hand, make a statement about the S&V Test, that they came back and made some statement that their testing was not accurate...PLEASE! They never made that statement and you know it. Now, does that have anything to do with powering the OP's speaker...no, just like a Yamaha wouldn't sound as good as a Pioneer powering the same speakers!

I think it is time for you and the OP to do a reality check ....no reason for me to attach a COOL symbol
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post #23 of 70
2/21/09 at 9:22pm
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Power is not power man. A Yamaha receiver with Monitor Audio speakers is a terrible choice - go listen for yourself.

Harmon Kardon is a good fit with my speakers, as are a few other brands.

And you didnt call me out on anything lol. I never once planned to buy all Elite it just happened that way end of story. BUT I will say this, none of my Elite products have ever let me down in anyway shape or form.

Keep in mind this is just one setup - Ive got a ton of toys in storage too that are def not Elite - like my 4 DQ-10s from Dahlquist hehe
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post #24 of 70
2/21/09 at 10:20pm
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First of all, you are not Cool Next of all, everything He owns that is electronics is Elite I am sorry if I a fended you and your receiver purchase? I NEVER called you a FANBOY of Elite! All I was saying is that he should check out other receivers. He comes up with how everything was a Perfect Storm Purchase, and I called him out on it. Then he makes the statement that Yamaha would be a bad choice with Monitor Speakers...you have got to be kidding me! Maybe you agree with him on that also?

You on the other hand, make a statement about the S&V Test, that they came back and made some statement that their testing was not accurate...PLEASE! They never made that statement and you know it. Now, does that have anything to do with powering the OP's speaker...no, just like a Yamaha wouldn't sound as good as a Pioneer powering the same speakers!

I think it is time for you and the OP to do a reality check ....no reason for me to attach a COOL symbol

Thanks for showing your true colors but you hardly offended me as I would have to respect your opinion for that to happen. I simply came here to offer an opinion on my personal experience and the OP is free to take it any way he wants, as unlike you, I don't have an agenda against any specific brand of products. To each their own but at least now I know what your intentions were and it wasn't to help the OP.

Have a nice night.
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post #25 of 70
2/21/09 at 10:31pm
Maxdog03 the problem on the warranty wasen't pioneer its magnolia not knowing their products. The repair shop told me to approach pioneer differently. to claim a date of purchase without a recipt, that if the recipt says open box then pioneer will deny the waaranty. Back to the question on hand the 94 is a great sounding receiver you will love it if so bought. On one note Harmans are great for music!!
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post #26 of 70
2/21/09 at 10:49pm
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Maxdog03 the problem on the warranty wasen't pioneer its magnolia not knowing their products. The repair shop told me to approach pioneer differently. to claim a date of purchase without a recipt, that if the recipt says open box then pioneer will deny the waaranty. Back to the question on hand the 94 is a great sounding receiver you will love it if so bought. On one note Harmans are great for music!!

Okay, thanks for the clarification. I've enjoyed my 92 as it's been a nice piece of equipment and filled my needs perfectly so far as it's basically the same unit as the 94.
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post #27 of 70
2/21/09 at 11:30pm
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Thanks for showing your true colors but you hardly offended me as I would have to respect your opinion for that to happen. I simply came here to offer an opinion on my personal experience and the OP is free to take it any way he wants, as unlike you, I don't have an agenda against any specific brand of products. To each their own but at least now I know what your intentions were and it wasn't to help the OP.

Have a nice night.

Please...have some substance
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post #28 of 70
2/21/09 at 11:36pm
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Power is not power man. A Yamaha receiver with Monitor Audio speakers is a terrible choice - go listen for yourself.

Harmon Kardon is a good fit with my speakers, as are a few other brands.

And you didnt call me out on anything lol. I never once planned to buy all Elite it just happened that way end of story. BUT I will say this, none of my Elite products have ever let me down in anyway shape or form.

Keep in mind this is just one setup - Ive got a ton of toys in storage too that are def not Elite - like my 4 DQ-10s from Dahlquist hehe

Lil Giggler, I have listen to Yamaha with Monitor Audio! My God, get some Room Treatments!

The next thing you will ask us is how long it will take to Burn-in the receiver
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post #29 of 70
2/21/09 at 11:41pm
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What? No I'm not going to ask that. But seriously, if you can't tell the difference in sound with monitor audio speakers with a yamaha receiver vs an elite or HK receiver then you clearly dont have much in the way of proper hearing..

Thanks for ruining my thread though...
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post #30 of 70
2/21/09 at 11:54pm
LOL...Someone had to call out these fallacies Hey, I am no fan of Yamaha. But you are way over the top on this one. By the way... the thread was ruined by your ridicules posts. I think you should buy some room treatment
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