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post #91 of 1065
4/15/09 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by pj121391 View Post



The News is coming soon

Well, yes, that the news is coming 'soon' is not news. If you have reason to get excited and wave a flag, tell us a date, so we can be excited along with you.
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post #92 of 1065
4/15/09 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by Barry Lieberman View Post

You know, the other thing that I think we all need to ask for is more assignable inputs.

I own a 3808, and despite the fact that the unit has 4 HDMI inputs and 3 Component Inputs, I am not able to setup 7 discrete HD inputs (only six). This is becuase tuner, net/usb and CD cannot be assigned an HDMI/Component option.

It may sound a little funny, but if you own all three Video Game Consoles you start running out of inputs real quick.

Wii, PS3, XBOX360, Vudu, Cable, Satellite/Terrestrial Tuner, Apple TV, DVD, Blu-Ray, Computer, Kaleidescape, etc...

I hope if the new 3xxx + receivers have 5 HDMI's and 3 Components, we can actually configure 8 HD Video Sources.

You have too many toys!!!
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post #93 of 1065
4/15/09 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by Barry Lieberman View Post

You know, the other thing that I think we all need to ask for is more assignable inputs.

I own a 3808, and despite the fact that the unit has 4 HDMI inputs and 3 Component Inputs, I am not able to setup 7 discrete HD inputs (only six). This is becuase tuner, net/usb and CD cannot be assigned an HDMI/Component option.

It may sound a little funny, but if you own all three Video Game Consoles you start running out of inputs real quick.

Wii, PS3, XBOX360, Vudu, Cable, Satellite/Terrestrial Tuner, Apple TV, DVD, Blu-Ray, Computer, Kaleidescape, etc...

I hope if the new 3xxx + receivers have 5 HDMI's and 3 Components, we can actually configure 8 HD Video Sources.

God, if I had all those toys, I would probably just stop going to work, get fired of course, and my wife would probably leave me too...
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post #94 of 1065
4/15/09 at 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by Barry Lieberman View Post

You know, the other thing that I think we all need to ask for is more assignable inputs.

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It may sound a little funny, but if you own all three Video Game Consoles you start running out of inputs real quick.

you probably are aware, but you can "stack" inputs and utilize all 7 HD inputs. one easy solution with overlapping game systems is to "stack" them both on one discrete input name, but utilizing different input types. For example, PS3 (HDMI) and Wii (component + analog RCA audio) can both be assigned to, say, the "VCR" input and have it renamed "PS3/Wii". If the PS3 is off, the Denon will automatically take the video/audio from the "lower priority" Wii input.

on a side note, the 3808CI does have seven discrete video input source names if you include "V-AUX".
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post #95 of 1065
4/16/09 at 3:04am
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Originally Posted by davekro View Post

Well, yes, that the news is coming 'soon' is not news. If you have reason to get excited and wave a flag, tell us a date, so we can be excited along with you.

This.
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post #96 of 1065
4/16/09 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by ChuckZ View Post

This.

Chuck, did you forget to add a link?
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post #97 of 1065
4/16/09 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by davekro View Post

Chuck, did you forget to add a link?

No, my remark was simply to re-iterate what you said.

I could have also written "++" etc.

I wanted more information.
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post #98 of 1065
4/16/09 at 11:52am
Usually one would write "+1"
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post #99 of 1065
4/16/09 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by ChuckZ View Post

No, my remark was simply to re-iterate what you said.

I could have also written "++" etc.

I wanted more information.

C'mon chuck throw us a bone We are all hanging by a thread here.

Homer Simpson Voice "We need more information"

Thanks
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post #100 of 1065
4/16/09 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by davekro View Post

Chuck, did you forget to add a link?

Gotcha. Info can't come soon enough.
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post #101 of 1065
4/16/09 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by General Custer View Post

C'mon chuck throw us a bone We are all hanging by a thread here.

Homer Simpson Voice "We need more information"

Thanks

Chuck is awaiting info just like us.
JWHTS and MagnoliaPro2 are the ones with the inside scoop. Last message from planet Denon, was from JWHTS, OVER 19 hours ago... gasp! not enough air... sweats getting really bad... need next leak fix...
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post #102 of 1065
4/16/09 at 4:23pm
Yes, Yes, Yes! More info - and soon! I've been needing a new receiver for the last 3 years and everytime I go to buy it - something comes up (Home repair, car repair, new baby girl...). Daddy needs his new toy! =-)

I'm most likely heading for the 3310 from what I've heard so far. Was going to do the 2809 last year but... Baby. 3310. Yes, that sounds quite nice.

Mark
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post #103 of 1065
4/16/09 at 4:34pm
MSRP for the AVR-2310CI is officially $849. The AVR-3310CI will be $1499.
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post #104 of 1065
4/16/09 at 8:16pm
Denon releases AVC-1610 receiver in Japan



Due mid-May for ¥55,000 ($550).
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post #105 of 1065
4/16/09 at 11:45pm
OMG did they abandon the hideous 2-side remote with the secret flip door!!? that would be the best feature yet! hopefully that's not a "just for japan" offering.
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post #106 of 1065
4/17/09 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Denon releases AVC-1610 receiver in Japan



Due mid-May for ¥55,000 ($550).

US MSRP on this is $379 and it's AVR-1610 not AVC-1610 here in the US.
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post #107 of 1065
4/17/09 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by Barry Lieberman View Post

You know, the other thing that I think we all need to ask for is more assignable inputs.

I own a 3808, and despite the fact that the unit has 4 HDMI inputs and 3 Component Inputs, I am not able to setup 7 discrete HD inputs (only six). This is becuase tuner, net/usb and CD cannot be assigned an HDMI/Component option.

It may sound a little funny, but if you own all three Video Game Consoles you start running out of inputs real quick.

Wii, PS3, XBOX360, Vudu, Cable, Satellite/Terrestrial Tuner, Apple TV, DVD, Blu-Ray, Computer, Kaleidescape, etc...

I hope if the new 3xxx + receivers have 5 HDMI's and 3 Components, we can actually configure 8 HD Video Sources.

The 3310 and up will have 5 HDMI and 3 component. By the sounds of it you need to add on an HDMI switcher to your system even with this many inputs at the rate you are going. I'm in the same boat.
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post #108 of 1065
4/17/09 at 7:51am
It appears the GUI will be different...
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post #109 of 1065
4/17/09 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by JWHTS View Post

It appears the GUI will be different...

Are you any closer to being told a date which Denon will make an official new product announcement?

I appreciate your telling us what you have to date on the new Denons. As you can imagine, many, myself included, are holding off on an imminent AVR purchase for an official announcement of features/specs for each of the new models.

Thank You
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post #110 of 1065
4/17/09 at 8:42am
hopefully the nextgen equivalent of 4308ci will be lower in price =P
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post #111 of 1065
4/17/09 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by JWHTS View Post

It appears the GUI will be different...

Kudos to Denon. I own the 3808ci and am very pleased but will probably replace with the 4310ci. I think it's really cool that they took what was a great leap forward with the 3808ci GUI and are trying to make it even better when realistically they could have probably copy and pasted the same one from the 38/43/5308's and no one would have said boo. I'm a fanboy for a reason......
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post #112 of 1065
4/17/09 at 4:44pm
Looking forward to hearing more about the new models. I'm looking to replace my old lexicon dc-1.
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post #113 of 1065
4/17/09 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by RedlineRonin View Post

Kudos to Denon. I own the 3808ci and am very pleased but will probably replace with the 4310ci. I think it's really cool that they took what was a great leap forward with the 3808ci GUI and are trying to make it even better when realistically they could have probably copy and pasted the same one from the 38/43/5308's and no one would have said boo. I'm a fanboy for a reason......

I'm curious of what features of the 4310 prompt you to buy a new 4310?

I ask because I am trying to decide between a discounted (hopefully further from $1028) 3808 and either the 3310 or 4310 when their specs and official pricing is released. So it would be helpful to hear what a current 3808 owner thinks is worth jumping to a new model from the 3808.
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post #114 of 1065
4/17/09 at 6:00pm
I would first start off by saying that i absolutely love my 3808ci and have owned Yamaha, HK, etc. and really have enjoyed my Denon the most. It sounds fantastic and the flexibility and user friendliness is probably up there with the best.

My reasons for upgrading are pretty minor actually. I am very interested in Pro Logic IIz, especially after I read a reviewers impressions in Sound and Vision last month who claimed "I own the gear for 7.1, but never really got excited about it but I am very intrigued to get Pro Logic IIz set up in my own home." Secondly, I own the 2500 transport and still watch a decent amount of SD DVD's. The FL 2310 scaling solution in the 3808ci isn't bad by any means but the anchor bay 2010 chipset is supposed to be superb. I may need to be corrected here but I believe it is the chipset used in Yamaha's Z7 and you can read the review from audioholics on the scaling as well as impressions of the new OPPO BD player which uses the same chip.

Overall I am that guy who has to have the latest and greatest but I won't discount the fact that I work in the industry so i get the products considerably cheaper than retail
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post #115 of 1065
4/17/09 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by RedlineRonin View Post

I would first start off by saying that i absolutely love my 3808ci and have owned Yamaha, HK, etc. and really have enjoyed my Denon the most. It sounds fantastic and the flexibility and user friendliness is probably up there with the best.

My reasons for upgrading are pretty minor actually. I am very interested in Pro Logic IIz, especially after I read a reviewers impressions in Sound and Vision last month who claimed "I own the gear for 7.1, but never really got excited about it but I am very intrigued to get Pro Logic IIz set up in my own home." Secondly, I own the 2500 transport and still watch a decent amount of SD DVD's. The FL 2310 scaling solution in the 3808ci isn't bad by any means but the anchor bay 2010 chipset is supposed to be superb. I may need to be corrected here but I believe it is the chipset used in Yamaha's Z7 and you can read the review from audioholics on the scaling as well as impressions of the new OPPO BD player which uses the same chip.

Overall I am that guy who has to have the latest and greatest but I won't discount the fact that I work in the industry so i get the products considerably cheaper than retail

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-10...CmoreStories.0
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post #116 of 1065
4/18/09 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by RedlineRonin View Post

...but I won't discount the fact that I work in the industry so i get the products considerably cheaper than retail

... and there's that.

Thanks for your thoughts. I need to read up on IIz, I have not heard whether it is much of an advantage to a 7.1 system or not.
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post #117 of 1065
4/18/09 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by RedlineRonin View Post

I would first start off by saying that i absolutely love my 3808ci and have owned Yamaha, HK, etc. and really have enjoyed my Denon the most. It sounds fantastic and the flexibility and user friendliness is probably up there with the best.

My reasons for upgrading are pretty minor actually. I am very interested in Pro Logic IIz, especially after I read a reviewers impressions in Sound and Vision last month who claimed "I own the gear for 7.1, but never really got excited about it but I am very intrigued to get Pro Logic IIz set up in my own home." Secondly, I own the 2500 transport and still watch a decent amount of SD DVD's. The FL 2310 scaling solution in the 3808ci isn't bad by any means but the anchor bay 2010 chipset is supposed to be superb. I may need to be corrected here but I believe it is the chipset used in Yamaha's Z7 and you can read the review from audioholics on the scaling as well as impressions of the new OPPO BD player which uses the same chip.

Overall I am that guy who has to have the latest and greatest but I won't discount the fact that I work in the industry so i get the products considerably cheaper than retail

Short on time, but after reading 3/4 of the S & V article, they sre speaking with the various companies marketing rep. I'd sure bet speaker companies and amp companies would full embrace IIz! It sounded more like marketing opinion than independent listening opinions.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/fea...und-page2.html

The Cnet article may be only one man's nix of IIz, but between the two articles... I am not so prone to pay a big premium to get a 3310 0r 4310 over a 3808.

My 2¢ (granted, it is worth even less in this economy )
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post #118 of 1065
4/18/09 at 8:24am
from the cnet article all i git was IIz being used as a pseudo sound fomat for amps 9.1 and any higher speaker connection like the 11.3 speaker setup for the z11, as for 5.1-7.2 system it looks like they are use IIz as a night setting for loud speakers, sounding like you were more in a cinema setting.. to me it sounds like a new of dolby thats it...

in time your setup if were you add the 2nd and 3rd zones for a 11.3 higher quantity speaker configuration, this is what IIz seems to be desighned for in the long run until the next new thing comes out that eclipses IIz..
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post #119 of 1065
4/18/09 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by davekro View Post

Short on time, but after reading 3/4 of the S & V article, they sre speaking with the various companies marketing rep. I'd sure bet speaker companies and amp companies would full embrace IIz! It sounded more like marketing opinion than independent listening opinions.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/fea...und-page2.html

The Cnet article may be only one man's nix of IIz, but between the two articles... I am not so prone to pay a big premium to get a 3310 0r 4310 over a 3808.

My 2¢ (granted, it is worth even less in this economy )

Majority of folk will still utilize 5.1 surround sound setup at home rather then 7.1-channel surround sound, so won't be as compelling a new listening experience as the new receiver marketeers hope. Still nothing wrong offering consumers more sound field variations. Dynamic Volume and EQ on the other hand was very compelling when added to the 09 receivers.
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post #120 of 1065
4/18/09 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the new ABT chips should spank the Faroudja in HD processing, but it's not really a fair fight since the Faroudjas were designed for progressive DVD players (480i>p) and not HD stuff. I don't know where the 2010 ranks in their product lineup but it employs the new VRS technology which is also featured in the new Oppos.

The ABT2010 is the system-on-a-chip (SoC) implementation of ABT's current video processing technology (VP50, VP50 Pro). It is the same chipset that powers the EDGE video processor that has been, and is currently still, under active development (see the relevant thread in the VP forum). The issue is really how well the featureset can be implemented, and I expect that Denon is getting extra help from ABT. If Denon launches with something approximating the same featureset as in the EDGE, then this is a killer VP solution for all but a handful of people. If the featureset is closer to the 1.0 release of EDGE or even cut-down further from that, then many people will want/need an external VP.

Bill
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