TVGOS ( TV Guide On Screen ) Devices - Page 35

I wish I was that smart, but my tech level is really old and quite out of date. I can only observe and report. I have a TSReaderLite, an HVR-1950 and a Win7 laptop. I just don't want to spend the time to become an expert in their use. But that might change since I have a lot of free time now. I find helping those more tech-challenged a better use of my time, and much more rewarding. There are some really smart people, like Mark, who can analyze that data stream and get answers much faster than I could ever achieve. Everything is relative I guess.

I wonder what will happen when the time changes. Will the time go back to normal? Will we see a creeping loss of time? Where does Rovi get their time base? I guess we will see on Sunday.

You shouldn't discard your ability to analyze TVGOS stream, especially when you could use one easy DLL with the TSReaderLite program. 'Trip in VA' could help you in that.

Now I'm 30 seconds fast. Anybody around from AZ or HI?

AZ and HI would most likely have the same problem. It is the GMT time that is off, and it doesn't know about DST and STD time. DST is nothing but a flag that tells these clock systems whether to add 3600 seconds to the local time or not. It is Rovi who is playing games with the clock.

Mark

Actually I kind of misspoke here. It isn't the GMT clock that is off, but the entire TVGOS data stream that is being sent out 30 seconds too soon (yesterday it was being sent out 30 seconds too late). The GMT timestamps are occurring at the right place in the data stream. For instance the xx:15, and xx:45 data "burst" in the digital TVGOS data, is starting at xx:15:00, and xx:45:00, according to the GMT timestamps, but that data is arriving at my DVR 30 seconds early.

Mark

My digital TVGOS seems to be 25 seconds early today, at least they got the hour correct.

My clock was 25 seconds late for the past two weeks or so. Now it is 30 seconds early since the 2 AM time change.

The last time the clock was incorrect was about 3 or 4 years ago when Gemstar decided to put themselves up for sale.
This is the second time in 13 years that I can recall that the time in the guide has been incorrect.

I tried to contact Rovi about three weeks ago but I haven't heard back from them. I am wondering if there was job cuts or something because of the poor economy. If this isn't corrected then TVGOS is going in the same direction that the Moxi is going. I hope I am wrong about this.

Ditto on the 25 seconds fast. At least I don't have to adjust recording start times now. That was a pain when you've got two or three scheduled back-to-back.

Funny thing I just learned. The CM-7000 (DTVPal DVR) uses TVGOS for its guide. It's a multiple day guide and there is a big TV Guide logo on the web site examples and it also has the same 30 second time issue.

The new version, CM-7400, is going to have a free minimal guide plus there's a picture of a premium 14 day guide via the internet. The pictures don't have a TV Guide logo. I wonder, could CM have bought the guide? Or at least bought rights to use a newer (V11?) guide? Adding the guide to a box (a DVR) without cable card ability is illogical, but CM isn't very experienced in this space. The addition of clear QAM is in the specs and the release date has been pushed twice that I know. The web site also raves about built-in VUDU. VUDU is owned by Walmart. Who has the best lawyers? I bet it gets the attention of Tivo. I'd love to be a fly on that wall.

It's an interesting world.

I have a Sony Z5100 (I believe that's a 2009 model) with version, ah, 10 I think? It gets updates from the internet.

I've had next to no channel data for weeks now. I haven't tried anything from the technical/maintenance standpoint, wouldn't know where to start. I'm using cable (analogue and ClearQAM) so I don't think I get any kind of TVG info from any of my channels.

You can't have it both ways. If the TVGOS comes from the internet, then at midnight it should get updates (V10 is correct). If your guide source is set to "broadcaster" you need PSIP data. It may not be there. I'm afraid my TV is an EX700, so the menu will be different. Do network diagnostics pass?

V10 guide data is usually via the internet, but I have heard of cable versions. Play around. It's already bad, what's to lose? Is the clock ok?

Start here:
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...specifications

The guide is not Rovis. It looks like the same guide that Tivo uses. You have to pay $49.99 a year for the premium guide.
http://www.channelmastertv.com/Produ...rogram%20Guide
The basic guide uses PSIP data which is not reliable becasue the stations rarely send the data out. Page 12 of the manual explains the guide set up.
http://www.channelmasterstore.com/v/...er%20guide.pdf

There is a different Channelmaster web site for these boxes.
http://www.channelmastertv.com/
Click on advanced services to see premium services.

In your case Joe this would not be a good device because you are cable only and there is no guarentee that the premium guide will work with an in the clear cable lineup. Besides it looks like SE will be encrypting their entire line up down the road.
These are your only viable options going forward:
1: Cable set top box
2: Tivo (quad tuner) with cablecard and lifetime subscription
3: Window Media Center in Windows 7 using either the Ceton or Silicon "Dust HD Prime with cablecard.
4: The DHG with cablecard as long as there is going to be digital TVGOS in a broadcast station. If not then the DHG is finished. Your analog service will end in the next year or two.
In fact SE is just started eliminating analog channels on my system. Fox Movie Channel is now part of the digital tier and channel 44 is static.

In fact Rovi is now embedding a new guide in new devices. It is called Total Guide and is internet based. It does not get its data from inserters. There is no Version 11 TVGOS. TVGOS as we know it is finished.
http://www.rovicorp.com/products/ce_...nk_id=rightnav

http://www.rovicorp.com/webdocuments...ductLiterature

They're doing to you what they did to me in March: making room for more scrambled HD channels. I lost channel 44 also. My channel 44 is static also since it is an old NTSC/vsb/analog channel. But my TV can see a scrambled 44.1, .2 and .3 that are probably three channels that require my STB to decode. I just noticed that WVIA subchannels are now coming through in SD, replacing other cable channels. That's new. Things are always changing.

It's nice that my guide is two years old. I can see what's on USA or TNT even if they are no longer on the guide channels anymore.

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On Tuesday November 1, 2011, 8:56 am EDT

Rovi Corporation announced today the signing of a multi-year license agreement for Rovi guidance solutions including Rovi TotalGuide™, G-Guide and its interactive program guide (IPG) patent portfolio with Sharp Corporation, the leading consumer electronics brand in Japan, for Sharp television,
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Looks like they haven't died yet, but the stock is dropping like a rock in afterhours trading today.

Reason for drop in price might be related to earnings being rather poor.

Another Big Brother ?

Interesting proposition. I wonder if the costly guide sends data back to the CM servers? I use Pandora (and pay for it) and it lets me tell it what I like and dislike. It took a while to train, and it tries to slip things in as a test.

If the CM guide does give feedback on viewing habits, and CM sells that data, things could get interesting. But then I've learned to live with Amazon giving me suggestions and I have abandoned almost all hope of privacy on the internet.

Seems to me it is consensus of all of us who is concerning a privacy.

I use my TV for Netflix and have even gotten a TVGOS "update" by forcing one and sitting around. The problem is, they're all empty.

I was more or less seconding the guy in the last thread who was having an issue with his 4100. I've sent an email to Rovi with no response so far. The whole thing about how it's suspicious that this happens at the start of a fiscal year has me wondering if Sony stopped paying a bill to someone.

This is guessing, but you might try a zipcode close to you. Someone at Rovicorp may have dropped yours by accident. You should see if that helps by forcing an update.

I just hit the guide button on my remote. My TV did a reboot and there is no time or listings. I think I'm remembering why I never use it.

For the most part my W4100 LCDs OTA v9 TVGOS(24hr only) works fine. In the last year it has only locked up twice and never before that.
When it locks up it really does odd things to my TV. The symptom is when you push the guide button the first time it does nothing but I am not able to change channels or inputs. The second push blanks out the video and all I get is a black screen with audio, again I'm not able to change channels or inputs. A third push returns the video and regains channel changes and input changes but again no TVGOS If I push the TVGOS button again it goes back to the first step.
The only way I found to reset things was to UNPLUG my TV. Doing so allowed me to get my TVGOS screen back but showed NO LISTINGS until the next download sometime during the night.
TVGOS is kind of nice but with my 14 day Tivo I rarely use the 24hr guide in my TV. Basically only when I'm watching TV live with my TVs tuner(because my dual tuner Tivo is recording two other different events) and want to see what might be coming up next.

Usually I leave it alone but enabled. Last week I mapped four valid clear QAM channels to four valid NTSC channels so I would get the pretty network logo. I use the favorites function a lot. Today was the first crash, and I didn't lose anything important. Even if I turn it off, the clock will still sync at midnight. It's not a big deal and I don't watch much real time TV anyhow. In fact, I don't even use the EX700 remote (with the guide button). I bought a XBR9 remote since it's better for my big fingers.

Doesn't the XBR have TVGOS I would have thought the top-of-the-line XBR would have all the bells and whistles

Not with the 32" model. They only called it an XBR9 so they charge more and so Sony can say there is a "32XBR9". It's really a 32V5100 (if I remember right). Even the user manual shows that model too. Nice TV, and my sister loves it. Sony has been slow with their changes in 2011. Since I don't have an iPhone, there isn't much I want with the latest EX series, and I can't afford to go up to the next level. I figured this out in the spring when I bought the EX700 and got the two year warranty.

Just wanted to say my guide data problems magically fixed themselves.

I usually blame cosmic rays. Magic is too unreliable.

But, according to Olivia Newton John, you have to believe.

Then it's become as a religion.

I have a Sony 40EX620 and cannot figure out how to map my missing channels. The TVGOS version indicated is 10.01.104. I had a version 8 in my previous Sony, and used mapping all the time with it. When I go into the Edit Channels menu, everything is locked out except for "status." What are the steps to getting version 10 to map?

I've had running emails with Rovi, and have been able to get them to make corrections on some of the channels I receive (by cable) that are regular definition. It is the information for the hi def channels that they don't seem to be able to send, though they say they will keep looking into it.

Does getting guide updates by internet make any difference over cable receipt?

Thanks.

I can offer little help, since I have a 32EX700. It has V10 (10.01.99) and I use the internet for TVGOS updates. I only map my clear QAM HD channels that I know are valid and then only because I like to see their network logo with the favorites button. I try to avoid the guide because it will usually crash the TV, losing the clock. Once I mapped a lot of channels and it caused the favorites function to die. I still use the remote from my 32XBR9 since it doesn't have a guide button.

I can't get any cable updates. I keep it simple and don't map channels that are not available with my NTSC channels. Since I get, as example, NBC on analog, SD and HD, I will map it. A channel like CNBC is SD only, so I don't map it and live with the raw QAM channel number. I only have 10 or so favorites, and seldom watch "live" TV. 99% of my viewing is from time-shifting through several DVRs.

Sorry I can't offer more help, but your TV has different ways to do things than mine. I leave it enabled since I have no guide or PSIP data on my cable feed. I don't understand "missing" channels.

Thanks for the response. I'm just wondering if my version of TVGOS has been set up to keep users from mapping. In the emails I've had with Rovi, I've always asked about mapping, but there is never any response that it can or cannot be done.

Mapping in version 8 was always a hassle because every couple of months everything I had mapped would disappear, and I would have to do it all over again. But I seldom watch regular definition channels (which are included in the feed), and miss not having program info for my hi def's. I'm starting to get used to it, and have just about given up that Rovi will ever get it right. Can't understand, though, how they could do some and not others, particularly when I know that they track those channels.