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post #1051 of 1480
11/20/11 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by minerva View Post

Thanks for the response. I'm just wondering if my version of TVGOS has been set up to keep users from mapping. In the emails I've had with Rovi, I've always asked about mapping, but there is never any response that it can or cannot be done.

Mapping in version 8 was always a hassle because every couple of months everything I had mapped would disappear, and I would have to do it all over again. But I seldom watch regular definition channels (which are included in the feed), and miss not having program info for my hi def's. I'm starting to get used to it, and have just about given up that Rovi will ever get it right. Can't understand, though, how they could do some and not others, particularly when I know that they track those channels.

You are giving Rovicorp way too much credit. My V8 lineup on my Sony DHG is two years old. It also assumes I have a cable card and/or OTA. But I use it frequently as a guide but never for scheduling. Because, on the V8 DHG, the clear QAM channels have four decimal places, I can't map them and they don't display with TVGOS. My bad, since I don't want to rent a cable card.

On my TV, V10 does display the clear QAM channel numbers, and I can map them. It's just too unstable, and I only watch live TV for a few shows.

Mapping is a guide function, not a TV function. I have a NTSC channel 2 that is CBS HD at 85.1501 in clear QAM HD. So I bring up the channel menu (after TVGOS has loaded) and while tuned to channel 2, I change the channel to 85.1501 and save. Works everytime. I think things blow up should I tune to a SD only channel, not on the guide, then map it to a (now) scrambled old guide channel from 2008. Even being careful I have caused a reboot of the TV by hitting the guide button.

So I hit Guide, Settings, Edit Channels, (select old analog guide channel), Enter, change channel number to its clear QAM equivalent, save. I then get the analog data when choosing the channel via the favorites button even though it tunes the digital channel. I label all the valid channels which must be done with TVGOS disabled.
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post #1052 of 1480
11/20/11 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

You are giving Rovicorp way too much credit. My V8 lineup on my Sony DHG is two years old. It also assumes I have a cable card and/or OTA. But I use it frequently as a guide but never for scheduling. Because, on the V8 DHG, the clear QAM channels have four decimal places, I can't map them and they don't display with TVGOS. My bad, since I don't want to rent a cable card.

On my TV, V10 does display the clear QAM channel numbers, and I can map them. It's just too unstable, and I only watch live TV for a few shows.

Mapping is a guide function, not a TV function. I have a NTSC channel 2 that is CBS HD at 85.1501 in clear QAM HD. So I bring up the channel menu (after TVGOS has loaded) and while tuned to channel 2, I change the channel to 85.1501 and save. Works everytime. I think things blow up should I tune to a SD only channel, not on the guide, then map it to a (now) scrambled old guide channel from 2008. Even being careful I have caused a reboot of the TV by hitting the guide button.

So I hit Guide, Settings, Edit Channels, (select old analog guide channel), Enter, change channel number to its clear QAM equivalent, save. I then get the analog data when choosing the channel via the favorites button even though it tunes the digital channel. I label all the valid channels which must be done with TVGOS disabled.


Thanks! Makes sense now, at least for the hi def stations that have standard def counterparts. I'll change a couple and see what the Guide looks like tomorrow.

Now, is there a way to handle my hi def's that don't have a standard station counterpart? I only have a couple; HD Net, HD Net Movies, and Versus come to mind.
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post #1053 of 1480
11/20/11 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by minerva View Post

Thanks! Makes sense now, at least for the hi def stations that have standard def counterparts. I'll change a couple and see what the Guide looks like tomorrow.

Now, is there a way to handle my hi def's that don't have a standard station counterpart? I only have a couple; HD Net, HD Net Movies, and Versus come to mind.

Everytime I did that my TV lost the function of "Favorites". Anyhow, how many hours will you lose if the TV crashes? I had to relabel 100 channels after doing a reset. So far I haven't had that problem, and I need to do a scan anyhow due to my cable feed adding some SD sub-channels.

But why bother? You don't get guide info unless there is guide info. Perhaps I am confused. You might just want to label the channels and make them into "favorites".
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post #1054 of 1480
11/20/11 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Everytime I did that my TV lost the function of "Favorites". Anyhow, how many hours will you lose if the TV crashes? I had to relabel 100 channels after doing a reset. So far I haven't had that problem, and I need to do a scan anyhow due to my cable feed adding some SD sub-channels.

But why bother? You don't get guide info unless there is guide info. Perhaps I am confused. You might just want to label the channels and make them into "favorites".


In my old version 8 of the guide (on my previous tv that died), I could access a database of stations that TVGOS tracked, including many stations that my cable company didn't even provide. HD Net and Versus were listed there, along with others that my cable feed provided, but for which TVGOS did not automatically recognize and update. I just had to find the proper station (not always easy because of the abbreviations used), assign the station number my cable company used, and reposition the station so that it appeared where I wanted it in my guide's lineup. That way I didn't need to have a standard definition station to renumber, although there were situations when I did have to do that.
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post #1055 of 1480
11/20/11 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by minerva View Post

In my old version 8 of the guide (on my previous tv that died), I could access a database of stations that TVGOS tracked, including many stations that my cable company didn't even provide. HD Net and Versus were listed there, along with others that my cable feed provided, but for which TVGOS did not automatically recognize and update. I just had to find the proper station (not always easy because of the abbreviations used), assign the station number my cable company used, and reposition the station so that it appeared where I wanted it in my guide's lineup. That way I didn't need to have a standard definition station to renumber, although there were situations when I did have to do that.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it doesn't work. With my Sony TV, cable feed, and 24 hour TVGOS, V10 was just unstable for me. My cable feed and the internet feed of TVGOS don't have the channels you speak of. My V8 grid has over 600 channels and with a STB I can get about 200 of those channels. It's pretty confusing.
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post #1056 of 1480
11/20/11 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it doesn't work. With my Sony TV, cable feed, and 24 hour TVGOS, V10 was just unstable for me. My cable feed and the internet feed of TVGOS don't have the channels you speak of. My V8 grid has over 600 channels and with a STB I can get about 200 of those channels. It's pretty confusing.

I guess what I'm getting at is that V10 does not appear to allow the same level of user configuration/modification that V8 did. I wish there was some reference available that explained in detail how to use V10 (The how-to info accessible in my Sony tv's onscreen help is extremely basic.). I haven't been able to find anything online dealing with later than V9, which seems to work the same as V8.
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post #1057 of 1480
11/20/11 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by minerva View Post

I guess what I'm getting at is that V10 does not appear to allow the same level of user configuration/modification that V8 did. I wish there was some reference available that explained in detail how to use V10 (The how-to info accessible in my Sony tv's onscreen help is extremely basic.). I haven't been able to find anything online dealing with later than V9, which seems to work the same as V8.

True and True. V10 is about as much fun as a toaster. Yet it does let me have access to the cable channels my Sony TV discovers, while the Sony DHG does not. But the DHG has a cable card slot, the TV does not. That's way past strange to me. Sony must be buddy buddy with Rovicorp, but what were they thinking? I guess they figure cable will go away tomorrow. There are some things I will never understand.
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post #1058 of 1480
11/21/11 at 8:56am
I have been informed by an engineer at SCETV that Rovi had instructed him to pull TVGOS from their Columbia, Sumter, Florence and Conway stations. No TVGOS in my area at all for me now.

Frances
Sandy Run (near Columbia), S.C.
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post #1059 of 1480
11/30/11 at 3:37am
We should have had the time right on this morning. Instead mine is one minute fast again. Way to go Rovi.
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post #1060 of 1480
12/8/11 at 7:36am
We seem to be creeping 3 or 4 seconds a day. Will we stop or is this like Ground Hog Day/Window of Opportunity? Time will tell.

Seems they may be watching. Or it's now random. We are now 12 seconds slow.

12/9 7am: only 3 seconds slow. A new number every day. Maybe the clock is picking lotto numbers.
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post #1061 of 1480
12/21/11 at 7:32am
email from ROVI a few minutes ago:

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Dear Joe,

Your case # is 1285673.

Our equipment at KYW-DT in Philadelphia, PA has been taken offline pending the completion of some testing at the station. We have no ETA but are hopeful to be back up within the next few weeks.

We will add this case to the escalation and get you an update as soon as more information becomes available.

Thank you,

CE Tech Support
Rovi

--------------- Original Message ---------------
From: JoeKustra
Sent: 12/10/2011 5:31 PM
To: ce_customer_support@rovicorp.com
Subject: V8 TVGOS in Philadelphia

Has there been a problem reported with TVGOS in the Philadelphia/New York area? My Sony DHG units seem to be without good data since KYW added the -2 channel. Any help will be appreciated.

My Sony TV V10 TVGOS via internet does not seem to be affected.


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Eleven days to respond. Amazing.
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post #1062 of 1480
12/21/11 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post



Eleven days to respond. Amazing.


You're a lot more dedicated than I would be. I have a Panny DMR-EH75V and it's completely worthless for timer recordings. It's just used now to make dvd's from my Dish dvr. I now go with a usb ATSC tuner in a Win 7 pc for hd ota recordings from stations that Dish only carries the sd feed. It's really time to move on. TVGOS may not be dead, but it's close to zombie status. How many new devices released since the analog shut-off have TVGOS?
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post #1063 of 1480
12/21/11 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by mhufnagel View Post

You're a lot more dedicated than I would be. I have a Panny DMR-EH75V and it's completely worthless for timer recordings. It's just used now to make dvd's from my Dish dvr. I now go with a usb ATSC tuner in a Win 7 pc for hd ota recordings from stations that Dish only carries the sd feed. It's really time to move on. TVGOS may not be dead, but it's close to zombie status. How many new devices released since the analog shut-off have TVGOS?

I know of only one series: Sony EX700 and it's a 24 hour guide. I'm sure there are more since 2009. It's not a big selling point for cable people. But they do supply the iGuide on my STB.
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post #1064 of 1480
1/5/12 at 4:25pm
No ads for over a week. Tonight no packets from my analog inserter over my cable system. Please tell me this is local.
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post #1065 of 1480
1/6/12 at 4:36am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

email from ROVI a few minutes ago:

"
Dear Joe,

Your case # is 1285673.

Our equipment at KYW-DT in Philadelphia, PA has been taken offline pending the completion of some testing at the station. We have no ETA but are hopeful to be back up within the next few weeks.

We will add this case to the escalation and get you an update as soon as more information becomes available.

Thank you,

CE Tech Support
Rovi

--------------- Original Message ---------------
From: JoeKustra
Sent: 12/10/2011 5:31 PM
To: ce_customer_support@rovicorp.com
Subject: V8 TVGOS in Philadelphia

Has there been a problem reported with TVGOS in the Philadelphia/New York area? My Sony DHG units seem to be without good data since KYW added the -2 channel. Any help will be appreciated.

My Sony TV V10 TVGOS via internet does not seem to be affected.


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Eleven days to respond. Amazing.

At least some of the 16 CBS owned and operated stations, including those in Philly & NYC, have removed TVGOS from their data stream due to it causing issues with Closed Captioning, and on air outages.

A week ago I was told CBS plans "getting back it (TVGOS) on the air, early next year."
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post #1066 of 1480
1/6/12 at 5:33am
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

At least some of the 16 CBS owned and operated stations, including those in Philly & NYC, have removed TVGOS from their data stream due to it causing issues with Closed Captioning, and on air outages.

A week ago I was told CBS plans "getting back it (TVGOS) on the air, early next year."

Thanks for the post, but I'm back 100%. Time is 2 seconds slow. My feed is from a cable analog inserter. The inserter gets its data from a computer in the NE and uses a modem. If it came from KYW or WCBS I would be screwed too. My cable feed supplies KYW in analog and digital.

There will be a day when I get a letter telling me analog is going away. Then I become a TiVo person.
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post #1067 of 1480
1/6/12 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Thanks for the post, but I'm back 100%. Time is 2 seconds slow. My feed is from a cable analog inserter. The inserter gets its data from a computer in the NE and uses a modem. If it came from KYW or WCBS I would be screwed too. My cable feed supplies KYW in analog and digital.

There will be a day when I get a letter telling me analog is going away. Then I become a TiVo person.

Do you have the analog inserter? Does your cableco do it? What is the 'NE'?

Tell me more.....
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post #1068 of 1480
1/6/12 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

Do you have the analog inserter? Does your cableco do it? What is the 'NE'?

Tell me more.....

Sorry to not be very clear. NE is Northeast. There are Rovi servers in various locations. My cable company has a black box that uses a modem to call the Rovi server and download the listings. The black box contains a few lineups also. Then it sends me the packets on analog channel 15 (C-SPAN) at the normal rate of 200 packets every minute. When the rate slows bad things happen. I still have no ads but the rate jumped up this morning about 7am. The inserter is at my cable headend. Every morning I check day8 first, normally before 7am. Like checking my pulse. Just to see if I should look further. My ads change at 7am. Or my old ads expire at 7am. Been that way for years, like my day8 begins at 3am Eastern, which is midnight at Rovi on the west coast.
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post #1069 of 1480
1/6/12 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

My cable company has a black box that uses a modem to call the Rovi server and download the listings.
Then it sends me the packets on analog channel 15 (C-SPAN) at the normal rate of 200 packets every minute.
The inserter is at my cable headend. .

Got it.

So the cableco has a box that gets the data from Rovi via a server over the net, and inserts it on an analog channel. Interesting.

From what I can tell on the net, it appears Comcast was doing something similar and they are now telling customers it's over, done, kaput, at least in some areas.
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post #1070 of 1480
1/6/12 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

Got it.

So the cableco has a box that gets the data from Rovi via a server over the net, and inserts it on an analog channel. Interesting.

From what I can tell on the net, it appears Comcast was doing something similar and they are now telling customers it's over, done, kaput, at least in some areas.

Close. I mentioned my inserter uses a modem (phone line) for V8. My TV uses the internet for V10. That might mean the DHG and other OTA devices using CBS are not long for this world.
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post #1071 of 1480
1/6/12 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Close. I mentioned my inserter uses a modem (phone line) for V8. My TV uses the internet for V10.

Whoa.

What do you mean 'my inserter'? Do you have an inserter at your residence?

How many versions are there? I've heard of v7 analog and v8 digital. What is the difference between 8 & 10? Is there a v9? v11?

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That might mean the DHG and other OTA devices using CBS are not long for this world.

If they use analog TVGOS, yes, that will be a problem. If they use digital TVGOS, it should not be a problem, because again, CBS is planning on returning TVGOS to their O&O stations that have removed it, sometime 'early this year'. The Sony DHG units have digital OTA tuners, but due to it's age I don't know if they are able to get TVGOS from a digital channel, or they depend on an analog channel for TVGOS.

Quite frankly this TVGOS stuff is a mess, and one that is highly unlikely to get any better as time goes on.
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post #1072 of 1480
1/6/12 at 1:02pm
Analog TVGOS on Comcast systems is a moot point anyway, as they are in process of eliminating all analog channels, including those in the Limited Basic tier.

The next phase of Project Cavalry in Michigan begins in mid January. Elimination of analog Limited Basic channels will start in the Hartland and Hillsdale areas, both of which are 550 Mhz systems. Other areas will follow and it's expected to take until sometime in 2013 to complete.
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post #1073 of 1480
1/6/12 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

... How many versions are there? I've heard of v7 analog and v8 digital. What is the difference between 8 & 10? Is there a v9? v11? . . .

There is V7, V8, V9, and V10. Not sure if there's a V11. I have V8 devices (Sony DHG's that I've just retired) and a V9 Mits TV. My V9 TV is "TVGOS Daily" and just goes out 24 hours. My Sony DHG's were still working fine with digital TVGOS when I took them off life support last week, but Charter is going to SDV in my area. That was the death blow . . .
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post #1074 of 1480
1/6/12 at 2:26pm
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

Whoa.

What do you mean 'my inserter'? Do you have an inserter at your residence?

How many versions are there? I've heard of v7 analog and v8 digital. What is the difference between 8 & 10? Is there a v9? v11?

If they use analog TVGOS, yes, that will be a problem. If they use digital TVGOS, it should not be a problem, because again, CBS is planning on returning TVGOS to their O&O stations that have removed it, sometime 'early this year'. The Sony DHG units have digital OTA tuners, but due to it's age I don't know if they are able to get TVGOS from a digital channel, or they depend on an analog channel for TVGOS.

Quite frankly this TVGOS stuff is a mess, and one that is highly unlikely to get any better as time goes on.

To add. V8 is a 8 day guide used by (at least) the Sony DHG. It is much more than a guide, being the source of the clock, schedule, and playback. V10 is used by my (2011) Sony TV and is 24 hours and considered a virus by some TV owners. Sony, out of goodness of its heart, made a firmware update to allow V8 TVGOS in its digital form to be received from a digital channel (OTA) on the DHG. I am cable only, so I can't give any first hand experience on V8 OTA digital. There is cable digital. too. What is hard sometimes is to keep the Sony part split from the TVGOS part. It can be very confusing, and I learn more all the time.

"my inserter" refers to the black box at my cable headend that injects analog TVGOS data onto a channel. I have had multiple analog inserters and there are digital inserters close by. There are about 10 cable companies within 50 miles. Comcast service is only 10 miles away.

My "local" CBS channel (WYOU) has never carried TVGOS. I don't know if my next closest CBS (WHP) channel has it anymore. Next two would be NY and Philly. They went to heaven late last year.

I expect the TVGOS mess to get worse in the future.
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post #1075 of 1480
1/6/12 at 2:49pm
And to add a bit more... The TVGOS V9 in my Mits TV supplies the time to the TV unless you disable TVGOS in the setup (and then it uses PSIP as a "guide"), and you can set the date and time manually. The V9 TVGOS in my Mits seems to work well.
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post #1076 of 1480
1/6/12 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

Quite frankly this TVGOS stuff is a mess, and one that is highly unlikely to get any better as time goes on.

My better instincts are telling me it's time for people to seriously start searching for alternatives right about now, if they're truly dependent on that data stream, especially for their time setting, so they're not caught completely unprepared.

Also, for your knowledge base, Version 9 TVGOS was the last analog version they came out with.
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post #1077 of 1480
1/6/12 at 7:14pm
My Sony W4100 LCD uses V9 digital 24hr. At times I can see how one might call it a virus but I've found if I don't mess with it too much it really stays pretty stable. In fact I haven't really had a problem with it for a year or more and it's been basically trouble free. Occasionally a odd station pops up on my grid that has the same channel number as a local channel. If I delete it I also lose my local listing To clean things up I was moving it to the last channel number, then on a recommendation from Rammitinski I renumbered the offending channel and after that I was able to delete it without it effecting my local channel.
If your willing to put up with little quirks like that it's really a pretty decent free guide. I get my signal OTA and the TVGOS comes from my local CBS(WCCO) channel. I've been pretty impressed that TVGOS has been keeping up with our local changes, not nearly as fast as Tivo(Tribune) but then I pay for that service, TVGOS is free We haven't had TVGOS on Comcast for quite some time(6 months?) although I haven't bothered to try lately.
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post #1078 of 1480
1/7/12 at 7:21am
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

And to add a bit more... The TVGOS V9 in my Mits TV supplies the time to the TV unless you disable TVGOS in the setup (and then it uses PSIP as a "guide"), and you can set the date and time manually. The V9 TVGOS in my Mits seems to work well.

What model number is your mits?
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post #1079 of 1480
1/7/12 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by BOZOO View Post

What model number is your mits?

It has been noticed that, on my Sony TV 32EX700, even if I disable TVGOS and change to PSIP (of which I have none), the clock update still functions. It functions until Sony updates the TV firmware, which clears that bit and my info box time reverts to --:--. The TVGOS is V10 and is from the internet.

I could say that Sony has a few bugs in everything, but that would be cruel. I love my Sony stuff.
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post #1080 of 1480
1/8/12 at 5:54am
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Originally Posted by bozoo View Post

what model number is your mits?

It's an LT-46246
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