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post #1291 of 1480
11/6/12 at 12:46pm
Wow, they just fixed the TVGOS stuff on the cable system I use, including shipping them new hardware (called an "inserter"?).
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post #1292 of 1480
11/6/12 at 3:55pm
Well it is official when I turned my TV on and checked my guide there is a message in the ad window that they will be ending all guide plus, TVGOS, and Rovi guide data in the North American broadcast market. It will take place between now and April 2013. This is the first working ad that I had since December of last year. The dumb part is they say contact your CE Manufacturer. What will they be able to do as they were instructed to contact Rovi to troublehoot any guide issues. Ive have been using TVGOS since 1998 and it will be hard not to have it anymore.
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post #1293 of 1480
11/6/12 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

Well it is official when I turned my TV on and checked my guide there is a message in the ad window that they will be ending all guide plus, TVGOS, and Rovi guide data in the North American broadcast market. It will take place between now and April 2013. This is the first working ad that I had since December of last year. The dumb part is they say contact your CE Manufacturer. What will they be able to do as they were instructed to contact Rovi to troublehoot any guide issues. Ive have been using TVGOS since 1998 and it will be hard not to have it anymore.

My TV's version 10 has two interesting items. It states "broadcast" is ending, and "internet" is not. I don't know how to read that.
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post #1294 of 1480
11/6/12 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

My TV's version 10 has two interesting items. It states "broadcast" is ending, and "internet" is not. I don't know how to read that.

That makes sense because you can access the main database with the internet. They are eliminating the guides that use the broadcast stream to get data, which is Version 9 and under. They are not shutting down the main data base as this is where the cable boxes (IPG data) get their guide data from.
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post #1295 of 1480
11/7/12 at 5:27am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

My TV's version 10 has two interesting items. It states "broadcast" is ending, and "internet" is not. I don't know how to read that.

A screen shot would help . . .
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post #1296 of 1480
11/7/12 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

A screen shot would help . . .

Hope this helps. Note that the TV only has two options for program information: Broadcaster and Internet which may explain the wording.
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post #1297 of 1480
11/7/12 at 6:00am
The way I read it, you'll still be able to get the Guide data over the internet. I think the word "may" is included for CYA reasons..
The fact that your TV treats TVGOS like a virus is a whole 'nother issue. rolleyes.gif
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post #1298 of 1480
11/7/12 at 6:09am
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

The way I read it, you'll still be able to get the Guide data over the internet. I think the word "may" is included for CYA reasons..
The fact that your TV treats TVGOS like a virus is a whole 'nother issue. rolleyes.gif

I know. I usually keep it turned off. After three years the guide has never had an update but the TV has had several. I would buy another if I could.

Judging by the TiVo web site, only the basic Premiere is being sold for OTA.

Did I mention my V10 guide is a 24-hour rolling guide? Not very good for recording.
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post #1299 of 1480
11/7/12 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Judging by the TiVo web site, only the basic Premiere is being sold for OTA.

"Officially", TiVo discontinued the XL a couple of months ago. I think the only differences between it and the regular Premier was a larger hard drive and an illuminated remote. A few weeks ago you could still buy brand new XL's on Amazon. Refurbs have been available on the TiVo site several times since they were discontinued.
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post #1300 of 1480
11/7/12 at 8:36am
Why aren’t they pulling the plug all at once? Answer…little stinks over time don’t register like a big stink would. This is not new for TVGOS as it has been letting little stinks for some time now, all design to discourage users so they buff out slowly, making no big stink.

All the latest viewing tools have built in viewing programs, how long will support for thoughts programs last? The last TVGOS units were selling in 2008, that’s just 4 years ago. Any guesses as to how long the new expensive sinks will last?

Warning: TV is habit forming and will cause shrinking of your brain and wallet.
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post #1301 of 1480
11/7/12 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by BOZOO View Post

Why aren’t they pulling the plug all at once? Answer…little stinks over time don’t register like a big stink would. This is not new for TVGOS as it has been letting little stinks for some time now, all design to discourage users so they buff out slowly, making no big stink.

While I agree, it will make a few threads more active. I may start one. Any suggestions for a name? I can think of some that might be blocked by parental controls.

How about "The TVGOS Losers Club"? I like double meanings.
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post #1302 of 1480
11/7/12 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post


"The TVGOS Losers Club"

Perfect.
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post #1303 of 1480
11/7/12 at 10:30am
I just reread Rovis 3rd quarter financial report and I see why they did this.
http://www.rovicorp.com/company/news-center/pressreleases/1434_17123.htm
I highlighted the important details.
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Rovi Corporation Reports Third Quarter Financial Performance

Focus on Operational Improvements Reduces Costs and Company Raises Adjusted Pro Forma Income Per Common Share Estimates for FY 2012

Santa Clara, Calif. - 11/1/2012 - Rovi Corporation (NASDAQ: ROVI) today reported financial results for the third quarter ended September 30, 2012. The Company reported GAAP revenues of $169.6 million, compared to $181.9 million for the third quarter of 2011. GAAP net loss was $13.3 million, compared to GAAP net income of $1.8 million for the third quarter of 2011. The year-over-year decline was primarily due to a reduction in revenues from the Company’s consumer electronics customers.

During the quarter, Rovi took actions that will reduce current operating costs by approximately $31 million on an annual run-rate basis through product rationalization and targeted cost reductions. Largely as a result of these reductions, Non-GAAP Adjusted Pro Forma Income was $51.5 million in the third quarter of 2012 compared to $69.0 million in the third quarter of 2011 and $39.8 million in the second quarter of 2012. Adjusted Pro Forma Income Per Common Share for the third quarter of 2012 was $0.50, compared to $0.62 for the third quarter of 2011 and $0.37 for the second quarter of 2012.

Adjusted Pro Forma Income and Adjusted Pro Forma Income Per Common Share are defined below in the section entitled Non-GAAP or Adjusted Pro Forma Information. Reconciliations between GAAP pro forma and Adjusted Pro Forma results from operations are provided in the tables below.

"Last quarter I spoke about the need to improve execution and operational efficiency, and I am very pleased with the substantial progress we have made along these lines during the past three months," said Tom Carson, President and CEO of Rovi. "After undertaking comprehensive, product-by-product operational reviews across the business, we focused on product rationalization and cost reductions this quarter and eliminated almost $31 million in annualized costs. Additionally, we eliminated plans to add an additional $5 million dollars in annual spending. This frees up funds to invest in new value-creating strategic initiatives and puts us on the path to achieving an operating margin more appropriate for our business. These actions also drove a sequential increase in our quarterly Adjusted Pro Forma Income Per Common Share and allowed us to raise the midpoint of our Adjusted Pro Forma Income Per Common Share estimates for the year."

Rovi repurchased approximately 6 million shares of its common stock during the third quarter for approximately $90 million. The Company now has approximately $223 million remaining in its existing share repurchase authorization.

Business Outlook

Rovi now anticipates fiscal year 2012 revenue of between $660 million and $670 million, and Adjusted Pro Forma Income Per Common Share of between $1.80 and $1.90. Rovi will discuss its 2012 outlook in greater detail on the conference call set to take place today, November 1, 2012, starting at 2:00 p.m. PT.

About three weeks ago I just had Rovi update my channel line up and I told them that my cable company is going to add the other 50 HD channels to my line up on the first week of December and they told me to send them the list as soon as my cable company released it so they can update the data base. It appears to me that those who work in the broadcast operations did not know this was going to happen.
It is apparent that this was just a way for corporate to quickly cut costs in order to sure up shareholders confidence. It also appears that there has not been enough of sales for the new Total Guide and also the money for advertising in the guides has fallen off. The sad thing is that there is not enough of customers who have the newer guides so they decide to jetison the established base in order to cut costs. I wonder what gets cut the next time around as this was probably the easiest cut for corporate to make. I am also wondering how many people lost their jobs.
It has been over a day now since I emailed corporate rovi about TVGOS and I have not yet received any reply.
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post #1304 of 1480
11/7/12 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

This is the first working ad that I had since December of last year.

I have no such "ad", on any of my three TVGOS devices (two Sony, one Toshiba). Just the normal ad to watch some CBS show.
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post #1305 of 1480
11/7/12 at 12:58pm
I don't see it right now either, I did earlier in the day along with a ad for the Mentalist. Now all I have is a screen welcoming me to TVGOS rolleyes.gif
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post #1306 of 1480
11/7/12 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by WaltA View Post

I have no such "ad", on any of my three TVGOS devices (two Sony, one Toshiba). Just the normal ad to watch some CBS show.

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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I don't see it right now either, I did earlier in the day along with a ad for the Mentalist. Now all I have is a screen welcoming me to TVGOS rolleyes.gif

While in the guide scroll to the left until you see the as pane light up then scroll up and down to move between the ads. I currently have the ad and I checked my diagnostics and I have some times for the ad tomorrow. If you do not have ads then it is quite possible the data for your DMA has been terminated. Usually the ads is the first to go when the data stops as that is how I always knew I had data loss without going into the diagnostics.
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post #1307 of 1480
11/7/12 at 1:49pm
On Jan 18, 2011 the share price of Rovi was $68.85 and today it closed at $15.40. It has been down to $9. I doubt we are their biggest problem.
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post #1308 of 1480
11/7/12 at 2:04pm
The best thing we can do is use this contact form and bombard corporate Rovi with emails. It is the only hope we have.
http://www.rovicorp.com/company/contact/other/consumer-electronics.htm
Heres a corporate phone number at their main headquaters: 1 (408) 562-8400
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post #1309 of 1480
11/7/12 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

While in the guide scroll to the left until you see the as pane light up then scroll up and down to move between the ads. I currently have the ad and I checked my diagnostics and I have some times for the ad tomorrow. If you do not have ads then it is quite possible the data for your DMA has been terminated. Usually the ads is the first to go when the data stops as that is how I always knew I had data loss without going into the diagnostics.
Thats exactly how it worked yesterday but today when I scroll I only get the welcome to TVGOS screen. I'm still getting 24hrs worth of data(max for my Sony TV) just no ads.....
Apparently unlike some other Sony TVs mine doesn't have any means for hooking it up to the internet so when I lose the signal that will be the end of my guide.
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post #1310 of 1480
11/7/12 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Thats exactly how it worked yesterday but today when I scroll I only get the welcome to TVGOS screen. I'm still getting 24hrs worth of data(max for my Sony TV) just no ads.....
Apparently unlike some other Sony TVs mine doesn't have any means for hooking it up to the internet so when I lose the signal that will be the end of my guide.

A screen shot from my 32EX700:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1122914/tvgos-tv-guide-on-screen-devices/1250_50#post_22564789
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post #1311 of 1480
11/7/12 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Thats exactly how it worked yesterday but today when I scroll I only get the welcome to TVGOS screen. I'm still getting 24hrs worth of data(max for my Sony TV) just no ads.....
Apparently unlike some other Sony TVs mine doesn't have any means for hooking it up to the internet so when I lose the signal that will be the end of my guide.

I don't have either of my two remaining DHG's hooked up right now. But my Mits TV with V-9 TVGOS has the 24hr Guide and it has no message about the guide ending. My Mits, like your Sony has no capability to get the Guide from the internet either.
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post #1312 of 1480
11/7/12 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I don't have either of my two remaining DHG's hooked up right now. But my Mits TV with V-9 TVGOS has the 24hr Guide and it has no message about the guide ending. My Mits, like your Sony has no capability to get the Guide from the internet either.

Mine has the ad. Maybe the people who have the ad now will be the first ones to be shut off. eek.gif The worst part is not knowing how long you have until they pull the plug in your area. My TVGOS data has been solid for the last 2 years. I'll miss it.

Mark
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post #1313 of 1480
11/8/12 at 4:15am
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

Mine has the ad. Maybe the people who have the ad now will be the first ones to be shut off. eek.gif The worst part is not knowing how long you have until they pull the plug in your area. My TVGOS data has been solid for the last 2 years. I'll miss it.
Mark
Due to equipment changes over the past year I have done a lot of communicating with the technical boss at my cable headend. When I first heard of the probable demise of TVGOS I sent him an email asking for some notice if he gets the call from Rovi to send back the inserter. If course, Rovi could stop the data without notice.

It makes me wonder why they spent the time & money changing the equipment only a few months ago. As for the ad, I have it and it's on my internet based guide TV also.
Edited by JoeKustra - 11/8/12 at 5:55am
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post #1314 of 1480
11/8/12 at 5:40am
The problem is for the DHG 250 DVR users, the gadget will become useless without the clock set information. Zaptoit covers any TV guide issues for most of us, but without a clockset, the DHG becomes a brick.
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post #1315 of 1480
11/8/12 at 7:56am
Thinking out loud, I wonder if SONY has a work around for inserting manually a clock setting as you are right, without the clock, I would now own a brick.
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post #1316 of 1480
11/8/12 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by waynewicks View Post

Thinking out loud, I wonder if SONY has a work around for inserting manually a clock setting as you are right, without the clock, I would now own a brick.

I seriously doubt it. The clock/date function is a TVGOS issue. I'm not saying they can't do it, just that it will take more than a quick fix. And I disagree with the brick name. It's not going to be impossible, just real hard.

If you are posting about a DHG, it should be in that thread. There are more ideas there too.
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post #1317 of 1480
11/8/12 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by speedlaw View Post

The problem is for the DHG 250 DVR users, the gadget will become useless without the clock set information. Zaptoit covers any TV guide issues for most of us, but without a clockset, the DHG becomes a brick.

Zap2It belongs to Tribune Media Services and has nothing to do with the DHG or any other device that uses TVGOS. TVGOS was developed by Gemstar and then Rovi bought Gemstar. The DHG and other TVGOS equipped devices get the clock set from the TVGOS data stream which is now being shutdown.
The Tivo also uses Tribune Media Services for the guide data that is why you see the link toTivo button on the Zap2It web page.
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post #1318 of 1480
11/8/12 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

The clock/date function is a TVGOS issue. I'm not saying they can't do it, just that it will take more than a quick fix.

My Toshiba devices, have in their setup, the ability to select either manually entering the time/date, or having it set from TVGOS.

Matter of fact, my Toshiba DVR originally could only get its time/date from TVGOS, but one of the early firmware updates, added the ability to manually set it too.

Having such a selection, can't be all that technically challenging. Its got to be easy for Sony to do the same, if they wanted to.
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post #1319 of 1480
11/8/12 at 10:35am
Different device, same message - sighhh I feel everyone's pain. Not sure if I can post a link. Seems google may be trying to buy out rovi's tvgos patents.
If I can't post a link - google the following 4 terms licences techcrunch google fiber
http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/02/google-licenses-rovis-program-guide-patents-for-its-new-fiber-tv-service/
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post #1320 of 1480
11/8/12 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by HoustonUserSue View Post

Different device, same message - sighhh I feel everyone's pain. Not sure if I can post a link. Seems google may be trying to buy out rovi's tvgos patents.
If I can't post a link - google the following 4 terms licences techcrunch google fiber
http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/02/google-licenses-rovis-program-guide-patents-for-its-new-fiber-tv-service/

Google is going to use the Rovi IPG (Interactive Program Guide) for their guide services. This is either the I guide which is in most cable company cable boxes or thier newer Total Guide for Set Top Boxes. TVGOS is an EPG (Electronic Program Guide) which is used in consumer electronic devices.
http://www.rovicorp.com/products/discovery/guides.htm
http://www.rovicorp.com/products/discovery/totalguide-solution.htm
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