TVGOS ( TV Guide On Screen ) Devices - Page 9

Does anyone remember the orginal version number for the base TVGOS before the upgrade/update for a older Mits TV (V8)?? Was it 8.2.44 or something else?

I finally started getting some digital listings for Denver from the DTVPal into the eh50, using the zoom trick.
A couple of questions since you also have an eh50.

Are you getting any additional subchannels for stations that have them?
I'm only getting 4 channels and when I add the others manually through the channel editor I have to explicitly enter the channel number (aka 161).
For one station I found multiples in the channel editor, for others they're missing.

For example KRMA, PBS station, has 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 6.5 (audio only). In the channel editor I found KRMA, KRMA, KRMA, KRMAH. To make them work I had to enter the full channel number 161, 162, etc.

But for the NBC station KUSA - there is only a single entry KUSA in the channel editor - nothing for additional subchannels 9.2 and 9.3. Do you see anything similiar in your channel editor after doing the setup - my channel lineup is wrong - to get the full channel list.

Also, I'm not getting program info yet. If you've done any of the above are the program listings populating?

Thanks. I did manage to find that ater I posted.

As someone else posted (I believe), there is a possibility that running that Factory Test (G* test) might cause issues regarding ID'ing a host channel. There are so many threads on TVGOS, as I posted elsewhere, I received a phone call from Macrovision Friday to troubleshoot this no host/ no listings issue and a number of things were discussed one being the above. Another item, that ATSC Slicer page is somewhat worthless now (except if you have V9). Actually, many of those diagnostic screens have little value.
I will get a list of what to look for Monday when I receive a call back.

For the time being; Do NOT run their Factory Test (971 397 135). Do a full reset, re-enter your ZipCode, sit back and wait at least one day, preferably two. Don't do anything else.

Hmmm, I ran the TVGOS v7 version of the test yesterday. No VBI packets detected. Yesterday evening I'm finally getting some TVGOS listings via the Pal. I'm thinking it's just coincidence but I'd almost wonder if the opposite was true;-) At least on the dmr-eh50 running the test did not cause any adverse issues with identifying the host.

Could you ask Macrovision who we're supposed to talk to about getting the OTA channel listings for our GBA correct now that the SCTE-127 data is coming through (getting all the missing subchannels added)? I know, know, they're going to say we don't talk to end users call Panasonic!

V7 devices should not be able to slice TVGOS data from digital channels.

I've only had a single TVGOS device. A Panasonic DMR-EH75V with TVGOS 09.02.27.

The only way I can exit G*Test is using the [Power] button.

I covered this in extensive detail here.

I'm curious how are the other versions of TVGOS with regards to this?

Does V7 of TVGOS also have a long (3 min 20 sec) recovery cycle after leaving G*Test?

What about V8?
Is the Sony DHG-(250/500) special in this regard?
Are other V8 able to leave G*Test whenever they want?

How long does the G*Test screen remain displayed for the different versions? My Panasonic with TVGOS 09.02.27 only remains displayed for 15 minutes and some seconds.


What does it matter? I'm tracking here the success of people getting the DTVPal to work at converting digital TVGOS to analog. And I would like to be able to write universal instructions for people to confirm whether their DTVPal is doing the conversion. Regardless of whether their hardware has locked onto the right channel of the DTVPal yet.

I recently wrote the following:

Finding out where your TV Guide listings are coming from
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16383407

and someone spoke up saying how it didn't apply to V7. And said some of what needs to be done differently. So I'll try to incorporate that into what I wrote.

I'm curious how are the other versions of TVGOS with regards to this?

Does V7 of TVGOS also have a long (3 min 20 sec) recovery cycle after leaving G*Test?

NO...hitting exit brings it back immediately to the normal viewing screen on my 3410a....the same on my Sony 250

What about V8?
Is the Sony DHG-(250/500) special in this regard?
Are other V8 able to leave G*Test whenever they want?

How long does the G*Test screen remain displayed for the different versions?

maybe 5 or 10 minutes on the Sony...I haven't checked this on the 3410a (which we only recently discovered has a G* test)

FWIW, Macrovision says that is a downgrade. I mentioned your writeup, but he seems to think it was a step backwards per our phone conversations.

Well, I have good news in my recent, miserable TVGOS experience. After 2 months of no listings, countless G* tests, and one factory reset that cost me all of my data for 3 weeks: This morning I finally got my listings on my Sharp Aquos LC-32D7U!!! The TVGOS firmware still has 08.01.41/08.05.44.

During the no-data-phase, I did a VBI packet test on analog WUSA (CBS) 9 and was surprised to get packets. So I hoped that the listings would appear at some point and it did. I guess Macrovision did come through.

I still don't have a Host Channel value.
Too scared to try for a digital channel.
I wonder how long this will last.

Great, you'll have guide data for 5 weeks. Then what? Macrovision is running out of time. What is the point of turning analog back on this late in the game. If they don't have a better solution by now. There's no hope.

Mark

Thanks avnstf and bwall23.

I would like to get to the bottom of V7 VBI channel numbering, if possible.



I'm curious about how V7 displays the channel number.

Do others experience the decimal number mixed in with the hexadecimal number?

It matters because if I'm going to be asking people here to check that the host channel and the VBI channel are the same I'll need to mention this unusual behavior.

I suspect jafi was typing the stuff while not directly looking at the diagnostic screen and so slipped, or something.

It was using the DTVPal.

When the DTVPal is in TV Guide mode it has you access the channel numbers differently.

2.1 -> 121
9.3 -> 193

10.1 -> 201
69.3 -> 793

Remove the "." and add 100. I think this is the simplest explantion.

But that issue doesn't really matter for what I'm wondering about.

Anyone with a V7 TVGOS device should be able to determine the answer to this question.

Please tune your TVGOS 7 device to a channel over 9. It could be 10 even.
It doesn't even matter whether there is a signal at that channel number.

Then go into diagnostic mode.

What channel did you tune to?
What value showed up in "VBI Chan"?

Not on MY devices (v7 and v8)...in my experience, it's always the last one I tuned to...because if you turn it ON it's normally tuning a channel and if you check the diagnostic menu it reports the one the unit was tuned to (by me)...

agreed on that..

By the way, legacy TVGOS has appeared in the SF Bay area...although my devices have been operating fine lately on analog TVGOS as indicated below, I've set up my LG for checking out if the DTVPal is converting the data (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post16421200)
and it apparently IS (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16425937)

He only ID'ed himself as "Nick". How recent is "recently"?

If you mean the update, it was officially released on the Sony website on 4/17/09.

Nick is the guy I was in touch with last fall, and Jan J very recently - he's the guy who recently cut off contact with Jan J in the 3410 thread because Jan was trying an "unsupported" variant of using the DTVPal....i.e., one that would permit it to continue to be used as a digital high-def receiver/recorder...I still find his action hard to believe...

Yes, installed that the next Monday. That is the one that hasen't been tested or approved by Macrovision that I have posted about. The one that takes between 60-240 hours to update.

bwall23; "Nick" seems to think with the Mits setup, the first RF input is where TVGOS 'looks' for the data. Right now, he had me disconnecting the CATV feed frpm input one and moive the OTA feed there. Two days later, nothing changes. It updates to that first level in less than an hour, anf the 2nd final level 8 or so hours later with the clock set. That is where it stays. Though my US analog host is gone, my Canadian host is not. I feel this is the problem, it still sees that analog channel, but using a US Zip Code, it rejects that data, but doesn't look any further, so it sits.

Also, that "ATSC Slicer" page is useless with a digital host. He says disregard anything you see there. Same goes for that "G* test". Both are only for analog stations.

I get the two patches. The first right away (around a hour after a reset). The 2nd 8-12 hours (guessing) after the 1st patch. But, that's it.

I still think the system gets stumpted if there is another analog host outside the area of the Zip Code you entered (with no analog host of it's own). In my case, another country. It still 'finds' this other host, but since it is the wrong host, it doesn't aquire listings even though it received firmware/software updates (patches if you perfer). I really think it is getting just the updates via this 'foreign' analog host. If it was getting them from the OTA digital host, why can't it display listings?
Both devices are doing the same thing, though for the time being I'm letting the DVR get listing from the CATV analog host (converted from the OTA digital host though TWC).

Of course alot of this could be solved if Macrovision would only allow (through a service menu) entering in the actual digital host channel number to prevent the system searching for it and wasting time.

BTW, I'm also told a analog download is 3 hours. A digital download is 30 minutes!