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post #241 of 1484
Does anyone remember the orginal version number for the base TVGOS before the upgrade/update for a older Mits TV (V8)?? Was it 8.2.44 or something else?
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post #242 of 1484
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Does anyone remember the orginal version number for the base TVGOS before the upgrade/update for a older Mits TV (V8)?? Was it 8.2.44 or something else?

See my post #1 in this thread, it was 08.02.44.
post #243 of 1484
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Originally Posted by L-I-B View Post

I hope this will be of use to other readers.

After some work I now have a dtvpal plus connected to an old Panasonic DMR-EH50 receiving tvgos infortmation. The signal is comming from my local CBS station KREM. The two things I need to do to make this work (above and beyond what is in the manuals) were:

1. I had to lock the EH50 to the VBI channel. You do this by tuning to the correct station (20 in my case which is the analog channel that has 2-1 KREM digital feed) and entering the code 963214785 into the messages screen on the EH50.

2. I had to set the dtvpal picture format to ZOOM on channel 20. When the dtvpal is in normal mode you can see on screen a data stream in the top row of pixels of the letter boxed display. I think it is putting the VBI information in the display area. What ever the cause, if the dtvpal is in Normal, the EH50 receives no VBI information, no clock, nothing. If it is in Zoom I get tvgos, channels, program listings etc. It is not quite as complete as when the EH50 was connected to cable but it clearly is there.

I finally started getting some digital listings for Denver from the DTVPal into the eh50, using the zoom trick.
A couple of questions since you also have an eh50.

Are you getting any additional subchannels for stations that have them?
I'm only getting 4 channels and when I add the others manually through the channel editor I have to explicitly enter the channel number (aka 161).
For one station I found multiples in the channel editor, for others they're missing.

For example KRMA, PBS station, has 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 6.5 (audio only). In the channel editor I found KRMA, KRMA, KRMA, KRMAH. To make them work I had to enter the full channel number 161, 162, etc.

But for the NBC station KUSA - there is only a single entry KUSA in the channel editor - nothing for additional subchannels 9.2 and 9.3. Do you see anything similiar in your channel editor after doing the setup - my channel lineup is wrong - to get the full channel list.

Also, I'm not getting program info yet. If you've done any of the above are the program listings populating?
post #244 of 1484
Thanks. I did manage to find that ater I posted.

As someone else posted (I believe), there is a possibility that running that Factory Test (G* test) might cause issues regarding ID'ing a host channel. There are so many threads on TVGOS, as I posted elsewhere, I received a phone call from Macrovision Friday to troubleshoot this no host/ no listings issue and a number of things were discussed one being the above. Another item, that ATSC Slicer page is somewhat worthless now (except if you have V9). Actually, many of those diagnostic screens have little value.
I will get a list of what to look for Monday when I receive a call back.

For the time being; Do NOT run their Factory Test (971 397 135). Do a full reset, re-enter your ZipCode, sit back and wait at least one day, preferably two. Don't do anything else.
post #245 of 1484
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Thanks. I did manage to find that after I posted.

As someone else posted (I believe), there is a possibility that running that Factory Test (G* test) might cause issues regarding ID'ing a host channel. There are so many threads on TVGOS, as I posted elsewhere, I received a phone call from Macrovision Friday to troubleshoot this no host/ no listings issue and a number of things were discussed one being the above. Another item, that ATSC Slicer page is somewhat worthless now (except if you have V9). Actually, many of those diagnostic screens have little value.
I will get a list of what to look for Monday when I receive a call back.

Hmmm, I ran the TVGOS v7 version of the test yesterday. No VBI packets detected. Yesterday evening I'm finally getting some TVGOS listings via the Pal. I'm thinking it's just coincidence but I'd almost wonder if the opposite was true;-) At least on the dmr-eh50 running the test did not cause any adverse issues with identifying the host.

Could you ask Macrovision who we're supposed to talk to about getting the OTA channel listings for our GBA correct now that the SCTE-127 data is coming through (getting all the missing subchannels added)? I know, know, they're going to say we don't talk to end users call Panasonic!
post #246 of 1484
V7 devices should not be able to slice TVGOS data from digital channels.
post #247 of 1484
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

V7 devices should not be able to slice TVGOS data from digital channels.

True, but since jaf1 is using a DTVPal, it will work. Although he didn't mention it explicitly, and just quoted you, I think he meant the Factory Test Screen, a.k.a. G* Test. The DTVPal will convert digital to analog, so it's like he's running the G* Test on his analog host channel.
post #248 of 1484
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

For the time being; Do NOT run their Factory Test (971 397 135). Do a full reset, re-enter your ZipCode, sit back and wait at least one day, preferably two. Don't do anything else.

Been there, done that. How about 11 days and counting? All I got was my timezone packet. Digital OTA only (but I know TVGOS will tune channels not in memory, so maybe some analog, but none that I can receive carry TVGOS, yet).
post #249 of 1484
I've only had a single TVGOS device. A Panasonic DMR-EH75V with TVGOS 09.02.27.

The only way I can exit G*Test is using the [Power] button.

I covered this in extensive detail here.

I'm curious how are the other versions of TVGOS with regards to this?

Does V7 of TVGOS also have a long (3 min 20 sec) recovery cycle after leaving G*Test?

What about V8?
Is the Sony DHG-(250/500) special in this regard?
Are other V8 able to leave G*Test whenever they want?

How long does the G*Test screen remain displayed for the different versions? My Panasonic with TVGOS 09.02.27 only remains displayed for 15 minutes and some seconds.


What does it matter? I'm tracking here the success of people getting the DTVPal to work at converting digital TVGOS to analog. And I would like to be able to write universal instructions for people to confirm whether their DTVPal is doing the conversion. Regardless of whether their hardware has locked onto the right channel of the DTVPal yet.

I recently wrote the following:

Finding out where your TV Guide listings are coming from
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16383407

and someone spoke up saying how it didn't apply to V7. And said some of what needs to be done differently. So I'll try to incorporate that into what I wrote.
post #250 of 1484
I'm curious how are the other versions of TVGOS with regards to this?

Does V7 of TVGOS also have a long (3 min 20 sec) recovery cycle after leaving G*Test
?

NO...hitting exit brings it back immediately to the normal viewing screen on my 3410a....the same on my Sony 250

What about V8?
Is the Sony DHG-(250/500) special in this regard?
Are other V8 able to leave G*Test whenever they want?

How long does the G*Test screen remain displayed for the different versions?


maybe 5 or 10 minutes on the Sony...I haven't checked this on the 3410a (which we only recently discovered has a G* test)
post #251 of 1484
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Originally Posted by kev4321 View Post

I've only had a single TVGOS device. A Panasonic DMR-EH75V with TVGOS 09.02.27.

The only way I can exit G*Test is using the [Power] button.

I'm curious how are the other versions of TVGOS with regards to this?

What about V8?
Are other V8 able to leave G*Test whenever they want?

How long does the G*Test screen remain displayed for the different versions?

My 2007 Mits DLP with TVGOS base v08.02.44 and now v08.01.71...
Times out naturally in about 4-5 minutes or I can force exit by pressing the TVGUIDE button on the remote.
post #252 of 1484
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My 2007 Mits DLP with TVGOS base v08.02.44 and now v08.01.71

FWIW, Macrovision says that is a downgrade. I mentioned your writeup, but he seems to think it was a step backwards per our phone conversations.
post #253 of 1484
Well, I have good news in my recent, miserable TVGOS experience. After 2 months of no listings, countless G* tests, and one factory reset that cost me all of my data for 3 weeks: This morning I finally got my listings on my Sharp Aquos LC-32D7U!!! The TVGOS firmware still has 08.01.41/08.05.44.

During the no-data-phase, I did a VBI packet test on analog WUSA (CBS) 9 and was surprised to get packets. So I hoped that the listings would appear at some point and it did. I guess Macrovision did come through.

I still don't have a Host Channel value.
Too scared to try for a digital channel.
I wonder how long this will last.
post #254 of 1484
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Originally Posted by dlj9999 View Post

I guess Macrovision did come through.

Great, you'll have guide data for 5 weeks. Then what? Macrovision is running out of time. What is the point of turning analog back on this late in the game. If they don't have a better solution by now. There's no hope.

Mark
post #255 of 1484
Thanks avnstf and bwall23.

I would like to get to the bottom of V7 VBI channel numbering, if possible.

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Originally Posted by jafi1 View Post

For TVGOS V7 to get the host ID info - Press guide - navigate to Messages - highlight theTV Guide On Screen ID Number. then enter 753159852 -

Page 1 is Setup Data
Host ID, Host Chan and VBI Chan are all on the first page displayed. The version number of your TVGOS is the first string of numbers on the 3rd line. Mine is 07.01.32
Host Channel 0x2800008D - (converts to 141 which is 4.1 CBS KCNC)
VBI - 0x28000141 - 141 which is 4.1

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Originally Posted by kev4321 View Post

This seems bizarre to me that that decimal number "141" would be intermixed with a "0x28000..." hexadecimal number. This wasn't a slip on your part I take it?-)

I'm curious about how V7 displays the channel number.

Do others experience the decimal number mixed in with the hexadecimal number?

It matters because if I'm going to be asking people here to check that the host channel and the VBI channel are the same I'll need to mention this unusual behavior.

I suspect jafi was typing the stuff while not directly looking at the diagnostic screen and so slipped, or something.
post #256 of 1484
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

FWIW, Macrovision says that is a downgrade. I mentioned your writeup, but he seems to think it was a step backwards per our phone conversations.

Interesting. I wonder if he knows about the TVGOS version numbers. Who's your Macrovision contact?

Did you know that Sony also released 08.01.71 for their DVR's just recently.
post #257 of 1484
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Originally Posted by kev4321 View Post

Thanks avnstf and bwall23.

I would like to get to the bottom of V7 VBI channel numbering, if possible.





I'm curious about how V7 displays the channel number.

Do others experience the decimal number mixed in with the hexadecimal number?

It matters because if I'm going to be asking people here to check that the host channel and the VBI channel are the same I'll need to mention this unusual behavior.

I suspect jafi was typing the stuff while not directly looking at the diagnostic screen and so slipped, or something.

Is this using a DTV Pal in TVGOS mode, or just directly connected to cable/OTA?
post #258 of 1484
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Originally Posted by bwall23 View Post

Is this using a DTV Pal in TVGOS mode, or just directly connected to cable/OTA?

It was using the DTVPal.


When the DTVPal is in TV Guide mode it has you access the channel numbers differently.

2.1 -> 121
9.3 -> 193

10.1 -> 201
69.3 -> 793

Remove the "." and add 100. I think this is the simplest explantion.

But that issue doesn't really matter for what I'm wondering about.

Anyone with a V7 TVGOS device should be able to determine the answer to this question.

Please tune your TVGOS 7 device to a channel over 9. It could be 10 even.
It doesn't even matter whether there is a signal at that channel number.

Then go into diagnostic mode.

What channel did you tune to?
What value showed up in "VBI Chan"?
post #259 of 1484
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Originally Posted by kev4321 View Post

It was using the DTVPal.


When the DTVPal is in TV Guide mode it has you access the channel numbers differently.

2.1 -> 121
9.3 -> 193

10.1 -> 201
69.3 -> 793

Remove the "." and add 100. I think this is the simplest explantion.

But that issue doesn't really matter for what I'm wondering about.

Anyone with a V7 TVGOS device should be able to determine the answer to this question.

Please tune your TVGOS 7 device to a channel over 9. It could be 10 even.
It doesn't even matter whether there is a signal at that channel number.

Then go into diagnostic mode.

What channel did you tune to?
What value showed up in "VBI Chan"?

I've seen that mentioned before (where the channel that YOU tune your device to is shown as the VBI Channel), but never equated that to a specific version of TVGOS. On my v8 device, the VBI Channel is DEFINITELY the last channel the TVGOS tuned to and NOT what I tuned the device to.
post #260 of 1484
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Originally Posted by bwall23 View Post

I've seen that mentioned before (where the channel that YOU tune your device to is shown as the VBI Channel), but never equated that to a specific version of TVGOS. On my v8 device, the VBI Channel is DEFINITELY the last channel the TVGOS tuned to and NOT what I tuned the device to.

Not on MY devices (v7 and v8)...in my experience, it's always the last one I tuned to...because if you turn it ON it's normally tuning a channel and if you check the diagnostic menu it reports the one the unit was tuned to (by me)...
post #261 of 1484
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

Not on MY devices (v7 and v8)...in my experience, it's always the last one I tuned to...because if you turn it ON it's normally tuning a channel and if you check the diagnostic menu it reports the one the unit was tuned to (by me)...

I won't argue with you, but your v8 is Sony and mine's Mits. (B.T.W. I do like Spicy v8 juice, never mind..) HAS TO BE different implementations of the same TVGOS version interfacing with the different hardware in our devices. Different hardware or file systems or ...
post #262 of 1484
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Originally Posted by bwall23 View Post

I won't argue with you, but your v8 is Sony and mine's Mits. (B.T.W. I do like Spicy v8 juice, never mind..) HAS TO BE different implementations of the same TVGOS version interfacing with the different hardware in our devices. Different hardware or file systems or ...

agreed on that..

By the way, legacy TVGOS has appeared in the SF Bay area...although my devices have been operating fine lately on analog TVGOS as indicated below, I've set up my LG for checking out if the DTVPal is converting the data (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post16421200)
and it apparently IS (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16425937)
post #263 of 1484
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Originally Posted by bwall23 View Post

Interesting. I wonder if he knows about the TVGOS version numbers. Who's your Macrovision contact?
Did you know that Sony also released 08.01.71 for their DVR's just recently.

He only ID'ed himself as "Nick". How recent is "recently"?
post #264 of 1484
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

How recent is "recently"?

If you mean the update, it was officially released on the Sony website on 4/17/09.
post #265 of 1484
Nick is the guy I was in touch with last fall, and Jan J very recently - he's the guy who recently cut off contact with Jan J in the 3410 thread because Jan was trying an "unsupported" variant of using the DTVPal....i.e., one that would permit it to continue to be used as a digital high-def receiver/recorder...I still find his action hard to believe...
post #266 of 1484
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agreed on that..

By the way, legacy TVGOS has appeared in the SF Bay area...although my devices have been operating fine lately on analog TVGOS as indicated below, I've set up my LG for checking out if the DTVPal is converting the data (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post16421200)
and it apparently IS (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16425937)

Not sure what's going on in Sacramento. It's been 14 days since I did a System Reset on my unit and all I have is my timezone (from a single timezone packet) and correct time. No lineup choice or grid yet. I'm connected OTA only to a rooftop UHF antenna (no comcast cable connected) and if KVIE-PBS analog 6 is actually transmitting TVGOS data again, I can't receive it with my UHF antenna. I haven't done any TVGOS tricks or codes (i.e. no G*Test or force host, etc. Just acting like a normal user) other than to look at the TVGOS diag screens once a day to see what's up. I did leave the set on and tuned to CBS digital for 6 hours today (from 2-8pm local time) to see if any diag screen counts increased and they didn't. Clock set channel has been (1:13-1) OTA Digital CBS KOVR 13-1 consistently since the reset. And since I was nice enough to post this for you, do me a favor and don't ask why nothing is attached to TVGOS input 0 until you read all my posts in this thread (this is not directed at you, avnstf).

P.S. for those who don't want to read the whole thread, my device is a Mitsubishi WD-57831 DLP RP with TVGOS 08.01.71, nothing attached to TVGOS input 0 (Mits ANT1) and a rooftop UHF attached to TVGOS input 1 (Mits ANT2).
post #267 of 1484
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

If you mean the update, it was officially released on the Sony website on 4/17/09.

Yes, installed that the next Monday. That is the one that hasen't been tested or approved by Macrovision that I have posted about. The one that takes between 60-240 hours to update.

bwall23; "Nick" seems to think with the Mits setup, the first RF input is where TVGOS 'looks' for the data. Right now, he had me disconnecting the CATV feed frpm input one and moive the OTA feed there. Two days later, nothing changes. It updates to that first level in less than an hour, anf the 2nd final level 8 or so hours later with the clock set. That is where it stays. Though my US analog host is gone, my Canadian host is not. I feel this is the problem, it still sees that analog channel, but using a US Zip Code, it rejects that data, but doesn't look any further, so it sits.

Also, that "ATSC Slicer" page is useless with a digital host. He says disregard anything you see there. Same goes for that "G* test". Both are only for analog stations.
post #268 of 1484
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

bwall23; "Nick" seems to think with the Mits setup, the first RF input is where TVGOS 'looks' for the data. Right now, he had me disconnecting the CATV feed frpm input one and moive the OTA feed there. Two days later, nothing changes. It updates to that first level in less than an hour, anf the 2nd final level 8 or so hours later with the clock set. That is where it stays. Though my US analog host is gone, my Canadian host is not. I feel this is the problem, it still sees that analog channel, but using a US Zip Code, it rejects that data, but doesn't look any further, so it sits.

Also, that "ATSC Slicer" page is useless with a digital host. He says disregard anything you see there. Same goes for that "G* test". Both are only for analog stations.

I originally had CATV connected to ANT1 when I did the firmware update and then plugged my UHF antenna into it when I returned my cablecard in early April since our analog PBS stopped transmitting and that was the only TVGOS data that came in over cable. It never got a grid or listings in 15 days and I found TVGOS still thought I had CATV on ANT1 and OTA on ANT2 so I moved my UHF antenna back to ANT2 and it still hasn't got a grid or listings.

TVGOS 08.01.71 on my Mits looks at both ANT1 and ANT2. Look at your VBI Channel. Mine's all over the place. I see it as different channels on both inputs.

Example1: I tune my set to 1:13-1 (ANT2 OTA CBS DIGITAL) before I switch inputs to watch the DVR on HDMI1, later I turn the set off and when I turn it back on and select ANT2 input, it comes up on channel 69 (no signal) and VBI Channel shows 0:0-12 (ANT1 nothing attached, no analog 12 in the area anyway).

Example2: I tune my set to 1:13-1 (ANT2 OTA CBS DIGITAL) before I switch inputs to watch the DVR on HDMI1, later I turn the set off and when I turn it back on and select ANT2 input, it comes up on channel 11 (no signal) and VBI Channel shows 1:0-2 (ANT2 no analog 2 in the area).
post #269 of 1484
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It updates to that first level in less than an hour, anf the 2nd final level 8 or so hours later with the clock set. That is where it stays.

Videobruce, are you saying you're still getting TVGOS patches on your Mit's?
I don't got them after resets, since my analog host went away.

P.S. I might if I ran the G*Test on CBS digital, but I haven't been doing any of that non-normal user stuff
post #270 of 1484
I get the two patches. The first right away (around a hour after a reset). The 2nd 8-12 hours (guessing) after the 1st patch. But, that's it.

I still think the system gets stumpted if there is another analog host outside the area of the Zip Code you entered (with no analog host of it's own). In my case, another country. It still 'finds' this other host, but since it is the wrong host, it doesn't aquire listings even though it received firmware/software updates (patches if you perfer). I really think it is getting just the updates via this 'foreign' analog host. If it was getting them from the OTA digital host, why can't it display listings?
Both devices are doing the same thing, though for the time being I'm letting the DVR get listing from the CATV analog host (converted from the OTA digital host though TWC).

Of course alot of this could be solved if Macrovision would only allow (through a service menu) entering in the actual digital host channel number to prevent the system searching for it and wasting time.

BTW, I'm also told a analog download is 3 hours. A digital download is 30 minutes!
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