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post #481 of 1484
System Info, Clocks 2, Statistics, VBI Info, VBI Stats, Slicing & ATSC Slicer.
post #482 of 1484
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post
System Info, Clocks 2, Statistics, VBI Info, VBI Stats, Slicing & ATSC Slicer.
I have attached files with screen shots of what I think you asked for. Some of the pics are a little blurry, but they should be readable. If I missed something, let me know and I will do some more pics.

 

TVGOS_1.zip 409.736328125k . file

 

TVGOS_2.zip 457.037109375k . file
post #483 of 1484
Interesting, you have counts for the 2nd collumn of the ATSC slicer which I have never had, no Host ID which you should and you show zero for the HostSUFlags which should indicate that you shouldn't have any listings which you do.
Makes absolutely no sense to me.

BTW, it's easier if you don't 'zip' those pics. You can attach up to 5 pics per post. The Serial and Memory shots are of no importance.
post #484 of 1484
I did get my listings back on my 2007 Mits DLP, but while editing a program to my 2nd AVHDD the TV either crashed or went into a system reset loop and I lost all my TVGOS data. So I have to start over, but since because of the intereaction of the NetCommand and TVGOS, I don't have the "Change Syatem Settings" entry under setup so I can't access those functions untill I get a host channel, but with this new setup, it doesn't look as I will have a host channel showing. No idea what to do with this.
My Sony DVR had gotten listings, but the lineup is wrong. I have to wait longer for the provider choices to show.
With both devices I have no idea which host source I'm getting data from; OTA PBS affiliate or TWC's SCTE127 analog channel of thet station.

Anyway, as of yesterday here are screen shots of 5 pages from both devices. Both hooked up to CATV and OTA.
(The host channel showing on the screen shot from the Sony has been cleared. That was from the 'Artec jump start' procedure.)
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post #485 of 1484
Continued. Part 2
(I have never had entries in the 2nd collumn on the ATSC Slicer page with either device.)
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post #486 of 1484
Continued part 3
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post #487 of 1484
Continued. Part 4
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post #488 of 1484
You would have done better to have zipped all those pics into one file instead of have these multiple posts that subscribers who happen to check between each post must then check, again, and again, and again...
post #489 of 1484
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Interesting, you have counts for the 2nd collumn of the ATSC slicer which I have never had, no Host ID which you should and you show zero for the HostSUFlags which should indicate that you shouldn't have any listings which you do.
Makes absolutely no sense to me.

It makes perfect sense.... puttsthree did have a Host, and it subsequently went away. The same thing has been happening for months to everyone with an HDDxxx.
post #490 of 1484
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Originally Posted by WildcatRay View Post

You would have done better to have zipped all those pics into one file instead of have these multiple posts that subscribers who happen to check between each post must then check, again, and again, and again...

1. Ziping is a unecessary step, 2. all pics are indivually accessable, 3. all pics are labeled so you don't have to hunt for them, 4. Each pic opens in a separate Window (at least with Opera) so no separate viewing program has to be opened. Far superior way of doing this. Once they are opened there is no "again, again and again". Are your other 56 posts like that one?

Besides, that is the way I have done attachments since 2002 with no complants.
post #491 of 1484
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

1. Ziping is a unecessary step, 2. all pics are indivually accessable, 3. all pics are labeled so you don't have to hunt for them, 4. Each pic opens in a separate Window (at least with Opera) so no separate viewing program has to be opened. Far superior way of doing this. Once they are opened there is no "again, again and again". Are your other 56 posts like that one?

Besides, that is the way I have done attachments since 2002 with no complants.

There is always a first time for you to receive a complaint. Just understand this. You did not have to respond--that is open the email alert message and then go to the thread--something like FOUR separate times because I had no way of knowing that you were making so many separate consecutive posts.

What you could have done was upload all those pics to a site like image shack and then copy & paste links or thumbnails to them in one single post.
post #492 of 1484
you guys would do well to limit your posts to technical issues...or you will be asked to leave the thread
post #493 of 1484
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Originally Posted by puttsthree View Post

I have attached files with screen shots of what I think you asked for. Some of the pics are a little blurry, but they should be readable. If I missed something, let me know and I will do some more pics.

I have included an updated System Statistics and the Clocks 2 screen. I also have listings through 08/28 midnight.
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post #494 of 1484
What/who is your host station?
post #495 of 1484
This is the link to RabbitEars.info for information:
http://www.rabbitears.info/market.ph...=53843#station

It is KCPT (a PBS station). The PSB stations that are on the TV are 19-1, 19-2, 19-3, but when i turn the TV on, it shows channel 18 (there is not an 18-0, or 18-1). But when i select info on the remote without changing the channel, it shows 19-1.
post #496 of 1484
Every tuner handles remapping different. The actual channel is 18.
Why some see a host channel listed and others don't is beyond me.
post #497 of 1484
Thread Starter 
videobruce; have you been able to obtain a pure digital OTA TVGOS on your Mits with the new soft/firmware that Mits sent to you?

I still don't believe Mits has firmware (that updates their TV's TVGOS) for our devices which enables us to get TVGOS, Digital OTA ONLY.

I really think they're biding their time until we have no legal leg to stand on (driven by Macrovision, or whomever they wish to be called today).
post #498 of 1484
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have you been able to obtain a pure digital OTA TVGOS on your Mits with the new soft/firmware

Yes and I'm not sure. Since the host channel is blank, I'm not sure where the datqa is coming from. I assume it is from OTA directly. I'm leary about either disconnecting the CATV feed to eliminate that source or vice a versa because of the other members loosing the data all of a sudden. I have been without this for over four months (lost track).

I also don't know if the supposed correct firmware (8.04) had anything to do with it since I still had to do the "Artec jumr start' method. It did not do it on it's own. Since I do know TWC's SCTE127 data did work, I feel Rovi made another change that caused it to stop working, at least here. Then again, lppk who joined forces with them.

As far as "biding time", since the warrenty is long gone, I don't know if they really have any obligation to do anything at all. In all fairness, at least they tried. They never addressed the "cropped analog" issue from three years ago either (also common to other HDTV's).
post #499 of 1484
This isn't new, but very appropriate;
http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...tupid_piece_of

Best laugh I've had since 1981.
post #500 of 1484
i have two hdtv (a 7g pio and an 8G pio)....both (obviously) connected to the same cable system ( cablevison, nj)

add: *7G and 8G are pio tv generations, not TVGOS version*

both are showing the same HOST CHANNEL = 0:0-14

VBIs are different: 0:0-14 for 7G and 0:0-702 for the 8G (702 is CBS)

however, the guide on the 8G is very sporadic and showing no listings for the past 7 days. it was perfect till about feb 09.

the 7G perfect (was missing days here and there in the past)

also, my panny dvr (analog) never missed a beat

anyone has any suggestions on how to get the 8G going

thanks

add: i have restarted the setup process a couple of times with different zips....last week i restarted with my real zip (same as the 7G)

and both tvs have cablecards and work flawlessly otherwise (correct channel lineup)
post #501 of 1484
I didn't even realize Pio made any plasmas with version 7 of TVGOS. Are you sure it's not v8 and v9?
post #502 of 1484
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

I didn't even realize Pio made any plasmas with version 7 of TVGOS. Are you sure it's not v8 and v9?

yes...sure...it is 70 series...just over 3 yrs old now.

add: after reading the post again...may be we are associating the version with different devices;

7G and 8G refer to my TV

TVGOS ver is 08:01:68... for the 7G-TV
TVGOS ver is 09:01:46... for the 8G-TV
post #503 of 1484
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Originally Posted by drgkja View Post

TVGOS ver is 08:01:68... for the 7G-TV
TVGOS ver is 09:01:46... for the 8G-TV

If it were v7, that first number would be 07.

The only versions as far as I know that were ever in Pio plasmas were 8 and 9.

Also, v7 isn't supposed to work with digital TVGOS without a converter box (DTV Pal, Artec).
post #504 of 1484
rammitinski---

so my TVGOS are v8 and v9 and per macrovision, they are suppose to work with digital...and they do (as i said above the older tv works fine)

main- do you have clue on my main question, i.e,, why the tvgos ( V09...) in my newer TV is so sporadic whereas one in older TV (tvgos v08...) is working well??

add: i have tried many things and read many posts but haven't figured out the problem so any help will be greatly appreciated

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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

If it were v7, that first number would be 07.

The only versions as far as I know that were ever in Pio plasmas were 8 and 9.

Also, v7 isn't supposed to work with digital TVGOS without a converter box (DTV Pal, Artec).
post #505 of 1484
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Originally Posted by drgkja View Post

do you have clue on my main question, i.e,, why the tvgos ( V09...) in my newer TV is so sporadic whereas one in older TV (tvgos v08...) is working well??

Not really. The only thing I can think of is if you did a G* test to get it going, but I don't know if you can even do it with any of your models. I couldn't figure out a way to get to that screen with my Pio Elite 1140's remote.
post #506 of 1484
i think you are right about the G* test....i have read quite a bit about it but haven't found any way to do it my tv.


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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Not really. The only thing I can think of is if you did a *G test to get it going, but I don't know if you can even do it with any of your models. I couldn't figure out a way to get to that screen with my Pio Elite 1140's remote.
post #507 of 1484
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by drgkja View Post

i think you are right about the G* test....i have read quite a bit about it but haven't found any way to do it my tv.

Have you tried contacting Pioneer http://www.rovicorp.com/support/9541.htm "Pioneer 1 800 421 1404"
or Rovi http://www.rovicorp.com/support/9391_9459.htm "If you need additional support for TV Guide On Screen, please contact your manufacturer or you can contact us directly at Ce_customer_support@rovicorp.com or 800-386-7380."
post #508 of 1484
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Originally Posted by drgkja View Post

i have two hdtv (a 7g pio and an 8G pio)....both (obviously) connected to the same cable system ( cablevison, nj)

add: *7G and 8G are pio tv generations, not TVGOS version*

both are showing the same HOST CHANNEL = 0:0-14

VBIs are different: 0:0-14 for 7G and 0:0-702 for the 8G (702 is CBS)

however, the guide on the 8G is very sporadic and showing no listings for the past 7 days. it was perfect till about feb 09.

the 7G perfect (was missing days here and there in the past)

also, my panny dvr (analog) never missed a beat

anyone has any suggestions on how to get the 8G going

thanks

add: i have restarted the setup process a couple of times with different zips....last week i restarted with my real zip (same as the 7G)

and both tvs have cablecards and work flawlessly otherwise (correct channel lineup)

drgjka,
I have two 8 gen pio kuros (5010) with version 9 and both using cable cards.

It appears both your tvs are still using a analog host to get their data. Is channel 14 analog cbs? If it is, either your cable company has an analog inserter installed in the cable head end or they are successfully converting the mpeg legacy stream into analog vbi. If there is an analog inserter in the head end, the vbi data stream can be on any analog channel including a channel with no video or sound. It is also possible that this is the physical rf channel of your CBS HD channel.

Here is how to get your guide working properly again. Don't do this between 5:26pm and 12:51am because there is no TVG1 guide data at that time.

On your 8 gen pio with version 9 I want you to turn it on and then tune it to your CBS Hd channel, which is either WCBS or KYW since you live in NJ.

Then enter your tv guide, go to the service bar at the top of the guide, arrow over to setup and then just highlight "change systems settings" then enter 111222333, the message will say "clear reset info", this will get rid of any old data that is stored in the reset menu.

Next arrow down and then arrow back up to rehighlight "change system settings" and then enter 653274147. This is a full system reset that will restore the guide back to factory defaults. What will happen the guide will disappear and after about 10 seconds the tv will shut off and the blue light will blink 12 times per cycle. After 3 cycles turn the tv back on and wait about 5 minutes or so because the cable card will most likely reset and change to channel 2. Make sure that your zip code is correct and tune the tv to your CBS HD channel and then turn it off.

After about 2-3 hours, turn the tv on and you should be asked to pick your lineup. If not enter the guide and go to the menu bar select set up and arrow down to guide progress and see where it is. You might have to wait longer depending on what time of day it is. I suggest trying this in the morning hours for the quickest results.

If you want to do your version 8 use the same steps as above but do it at night and leave the tv off from 11:00pm to 7:00am so it can get the two update patches.

To use any 9 digit TVGOS code you always go to highlight change system settings, as written above, and enter the code.

You probably know the 9 digit code to get into the diagnostic menu but here it is anyway: 753159852

The code for the factory test screen (aka the G test) is 971397135. You must be tuned to the channel that you want to test in order to use it. I used it on my RCA DLP with version 8 and I had a hard time getting it out of the test so use it at your own risk. This code will work on any device including the sony dvr. There is no need to enter any service menu to run the G test.

I just had to reset my two 5010 last week because the clock was only updating only 2 times a day. Now they are working fine again.

I hope this helps and I apologize for being long winded.
post #509 of 1484
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

drgjka,
I have two 8 gen pio kuros (5010) with version 9 and both using cable cards.

It appears both your tvs are still using a analog host to get their data. Is channel 14 analog cbs? If it is, either your cable company has an analog inserter installed in the cable head end or they are successfully converting the mpeg legacy stream into analog vbi. If there is an analog inserter in the head end, the vbi data stream can be on any analog channel including a channel with no video or sound. It is also possible that this is the physical rf channel of your CBS HD channel.

[...]

Can you clarify something? Are you saying that there are 2 ways for the cable company to convert TVGOS data to analog? If so, do they both use the SCTE-127 data? Or are you saying that the analog inserter allows them to send the already converted data out on any channel?

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I hope this helps and I apologize for being long winded.

No apology necessary. This should be very useful information for some.

Mark
post #510 of 1484
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

Can you clarify something? Are you saying that there are 2 ways for the cable company to convert TVGOS data to analog? If so, do they both use the SCTE-127 data? Or are you saying that the analog inserter allows them to send the already converted data out on any channel?



No apology necessary. This should be very useful information for some.

Mark

mabuttra,
The best way I can answer your question is "There are two ways a cable company can "Transport" the TVGOS analog wave form to its customers." Not "Convert."

Here is two ways that the original TVGOS analog wave form can be sent to the cable user:

1. The TVGOS analog wave form is sent from the source (Rovicorp) through an analog phone line to a analog inserter which used to be in the PBS stations, and now is placed in the cable head end. The analog wave form is then inserted into the VBI of any analog channel of the cable companies choosing and then sent to the customer.

2. The TVGOS analog wave form is duplicated, then digitized at the source (Rovicorp). Then it is sent along with TVG1 and TVG2 on a mpeg transport stream using a DSL, to the inserter were the three streams are then inserted into the mpeg stream of the host stations high definition digital feed. Then it arrives at the cable head end were the hd feed, along with the digitized analog wave form (legacy stream), is downconverted, using SCTE 127 compliant equipment, to a standard defintion analog channel which includes the restored TVGOS analog wave form. It is then sent along to the customer.

I was thinking as I was typing this that all 10 versions of TVGOS can use the original analog data stream to populate the guides. Only 2, version 9 and 10, can use the digital data stream with out the need for patches to populate the guide. And one, version 10, can use a broadband ethernet connection to populate the guide.

If it wasn't for people who use OTA to get guide data, Rovicorp can just put analog inserters in all the cable headends and completely eliminate the need to have digital inserters at host stations. It the use of the public airwaves that require the TVGOS data to be digitized for transport from the source, Rovicorp, to the end user. If TVGOS would only work with cable then there will be no need to convert the original TVGOS analog wave form to digital because cable doesn't use the public air waves. Cable is a privately owned closed loop system.

In my opinion, it isn't a problem with the TVGOS data, it is the transport of TVGOS data to the end user that is causing the most problems because of the use of the public air waves which requires that the TVGOS data and its transport stream to be digitized.
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