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post #541 of 1484
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

I guess I don't understand exactly what you mean...in my case the legacy data is coming via channel 5.1, which is converted to output channel 3 WITH the TVGOS data in the vbi, and my unit is latching onto analog channel 3 as the host channel

there is in fact an analog channel 3 in the TVGOS channel lineup, but this is actually irrelevant, since there is no actual analog channel 3 coming in on the antenna (and never was at my location), and in any case, when looking for TVGOS data, the LG (and other TVGOS units using analog data) scans the entire analog channel spectrum until it finds one with TVGOS data, and that is then the host channel...what is in the TV Guide lineup is not relevant for this purpose, though people in the LG thread previously thought that it was...

hi avnstf...

i found that it IS relavent. once you have a lineup ( likely with ' no listings ' displayed )..
use your channel editor and locate the entry for your host station ( by callsign )... then change that entry to RF channel 3 instead of whatever it WAS ...

the TVGOS software ( at least in my case... v7 panny e95 ) grabs the host station
( apparently by callsign, not rf channel ) from the actual lineup, and then tunes the receiver to whatever RF channel is assigned to that station... it does this AFTER it has
locked onto its host rf channel and AFTER updating clock and AFTER it finally receives a lineup.... once the lineup is there, the host station ( in the lineup ), needs to be adjusted to ( in your case ) RF channnel 3...

eg, in the lineup, if your host station is ' KXYZ ' operating on any other channel than 3, change it to 3... then the receiver will subsequently tune to KXYZ, albeit on channel 3, but the data will be there... if you leave the lineup ' as is ' once the TVGOS gets its lineup, it relies on the assigned lineup channel for its subsequent data searches ( ie, program listings and beyond )...

hope this helps. this is what did the trick for my panny. i went many many times getting as far as the lineup, but then got nothing after that, until the panny gave up
and started over... as soon as i grabbed the lineup and changed my CBS affiliate ( my digital OTA host in vegas ) to be on channel 3 ( output of the PAL ), the thing came to life and gave me program listings... i'm still testing to see how long it stays put updating until the PAL goes back to sleep awaiting an SA channel command... so far i've gotten 3 or 4 days in a row worth of updates...

rgds,
ron g
post #542 of 1484
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Originally Posted by rkg22 View Post

hi avnstf...

i found that it IS relavent. once you have a lineup ( likely with ' no listings ' displayed )..
use your channel editor and locate the entry for your host station ( by callsign )... then change that entry to RF channel 3 instead of whatever it WAS ...

the TVGOS software ( at least in my case... v7 panny e95 ) grabs the host station
( apparently by callsign, not rf channel ) from the actual lineup, and then tunes the receiver to whatever RF channel is assigned to that station... it does this AFTER it has
locked onto its host rf channel and AFTER updating clock and AFTER it finally receives a lineup.... once the lineup is there, the host station ( in the lineup ), needs to be adjusted to ( in your case ) RF channnel 3...

eg, in the lineup, if your host station is ' KXYZ ' operating on any other channel than 3, change it to 3... then the receiver will subsequently tune to KXYZ, albeit on channel 3, but the data will be there... if you leave the lineup ' as is ' once the TVGOS gets its lineup, it relies on the assigned lineup channel for its subsequent data searches ( ie, program listings and beyond )...

hope this helps. this is what did the trick for my panny. i went many many times getting as far as the lineup, but then got nothing after that, until the panny gave up
and started over... as soon as i grabbed the lineup and changed my CBS affiliate ( my digital OTA host in vegas ) to be on channel 3 ( output of the PAL ), the thing came to life and gave me program listings... i'm still testing to see how long it stays put updating until the PAL goes back to sleep awaiting an SA channel command... so far i've gotten 3 or 4 days in a row worth of updates...

rgds,
ron g

I guess I understand what you are SAYING, but it doesn't make sense to me....first of all, is your device an ANALOG device, or is it a digital high-def device like the 3410a

are you OTA? I guess so, if you're using the Pal in TVGOS mode

if you change the CBS digital station to be analog 3 how does the device...TUNE to CBS digital?

we must be talking about completely different types of devices, etc...

I need to keep the digital CBS channel (5.1) in the lineup, because I need to tune to it and record shows from it...
post #543 of 1484
Quote:
Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

I guess I understand what you are SAYING, but it doesn't make sense to me....first of all, is your device an ANALOG device, or is it a digital high-def device like the 3410a

are you OTA? I guess so, if you're using the Pal in TVGOS mode

if you change the CBS digital station to be analog 3 how does the device...TUNE to CBS digital?

we must be talking about completely different types of devices, etc...

I need to keep the digital CBS channel (5.1) in the lineup, because I need to tune to it and record shows from it...

hi avnstf...

avs just timed me out after 15 minutes of typing so i'll keep it short...

just give it a whirl to see if you get listings in your lineup grid...

check your lineup in your channel editor... you may find that there are 2 entries in the lineup for the host station in question... in my case, my host station is the CBS affiliate, KLAS, in las vegas... in my channel editor there are 2 entries for KLAS, one for analog and another for digital... change the RF channel for the analog station to RF channel 3, and program the digital entry to your regular 5-1 channel....

i don't know why TVGOS decides to abandon its original RF channel location, but in my case, it does... to me, it's stupid, but seems to be how it progresses beyond having gotten clock sync and a lineup. this is also consistent with the fact that if you disable the host station in your lineup, you stop getting TVGOS as well. this happened to me even before i ever started dealing with the PAL...

please give it a whirl and let me know if you get a populated grid. the worst case, if you don't have 2 entries for your affiliate station, is that you would need to deal with that one channel manually....

rgds,
ron g...
post #544 of 1484
Quote:
Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

I guess I understand what you are SAYING, but it doesn't make sense to me....first of all, is your device an ANALOG device, or is it a digital high-def device like the 3410a

are you OTA? I guess so, if you're using the Pal in TVGOS mode

if you change the CBS digital station to be analog 3 how does the device...TUNE to CBS digital?

we must be talking about completely different types of devices, etc...

I need to keep the digital CBS channel (5.1) in the lineup, because I need to tune to it and record shows from it...

hi again...

forgot to answer your questions....

1 - yes, in my case, i'm using the PAL OTA, and that's the only RF feed to my panasonic DMR-E95 DVR, with TVGOS... not the daily version, but this one maintains a week's worth of listings... the TVGOS version in the panny is v7...

2 - i'm using the PAL exclusively in TVGOS mode and feeding it to the Panny on RF channel 3.

3 - i also have a mits LT-46246 with TV Guide Daily v9. the TV gets its listings OTA from the digital CBS affiliate directly.

4 - i am no longer subscribed to COX cable, and have verified that the only source for me is the digital CBS affiliate in both cases...

5 - i AM subscribed to dish network. the lineup i get contains most of the channels i'm interested in. since i don't use the tuner in the panny for anything else, i'm relegated to manually setting timers and such, but i like having the 7 days worth of listings, and the various sort features in the v7 panny in order to plan recordings....

rgds,
ron g...
post #545 of 1484
Quote:
Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

I guess I understand what you are SAYING, but it doesn't make sense to me....first of all, is your device an ANALOG device, or is it a digital high-def device like the 3410a

are you OTA? I guess so, if you're using the Pal in TVGOS mode

if you change the CBS digital station to be analog 3 how does the device...TUNE to CBS digital?

we must be talking about completely different types of devices, etc...

I need to keep the digital CBS channel (5.1) in the lineup, because I need to tune to it and record shows from it...

hi again...

sorry for multiples here... i keep missing things to answer...

the answer to the question ' if you change CBS to analog 3, how does the device
tune to CBS digital...

answer - it doesn't.... it will tune your TV to RF channel 3 in order to continue to receive listing and data updates from the PAL, not the 3410a digital stuff...

once the TVGOS software has committed itself to receiving analog data, it must continue to do so or it will just get all confused... in your case, i believe that while your TV is capable of getting data from the digital host, the TVGOS software has committed itself to an analog configuration... i believe that you can't mix the 2 in the middle of things... if you're using the PAL to get things rolling, you've got to stick with the PAL feed aftwards as well... the TVGOS software ( my guess ) will not tolerate getting started with analog and then follow-on using your digital capable stuff in the TV...

rgds,
ron g
post #546 of 1484
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Originally Posted by rkg22 View Post

since i don't use the tuner in the panny for anything else, i'm relegated to manually setting timers and such, but i like having the 7 days worth of listings, and the various sort features in the v7 panny in order to plan recordings....

rgds,
ron g...

ok, I've set things up as you say...

but now I don't understand what you say above...WHY do you not use the listings for setting recordings?

you didn't answer my question about whether your device is pure analog OR can tune/record high-def...and I also wonder whether you are using the "substitute" zip code as specified in the Pal manual for the TVGOS mode, versus using your real zip code (i.e., in your TVGOS device, not in the Pal, which doesn't care which zip code you entered for the normal Pal mode, once you've put it into TVGOS mode)

(A number of people have gotten TVGOS to work for analog-only devices using the Pal, but so far none have succeeded in getting listings for digital channels with the 3410a, at least as reported on the threads I follow - including of course the one for the 3410a!!!)
post #547 of 1484
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Originally Posted by rkg22 View Post

hi avnstf...

i found that it IS relavent. once you have a lineup ( likely with ' no listings ' displayed )..
use your channel editor and locate the entry for your host station ( by callsign )... then change that entry to RF channel 3 instead of whatever it WAS ...

I actually was told this very thing from one of the TVGOS experts at Toshiba, a year or so ago, who said he heard it from a customer (maybe one of us AVS Forum folks). At that time when I still had Comcast, the analog TVGOS signal for the PBS KCTS station was switched to channel 90, instead of the normal Channel 9. Toshiba told me to change KCTS in the channel lineup from 9 to 90. After I did that, I no longer lost the listings every few days. After seeing talk about it here, I also did it to my current DTVPal setup. (This time it was the local CBS station, that I modifed to be Channel 3.) It does seem odd that this is even necessary because after I got the initial clock signal the Host Station in the diagnostics showed as 2-3 (Ant-2 , channel 3). But apparently, after it captures that initial Host Channel several have reported that it can get mixed up if we don't do it. I don't need the OTA CBS channel for recording, since I have the FIOS Cable channels now in my lineup, so I had nothing to lose anyways.
post #548 of 1484
I sent Rovi a request to get the TVGOS system back working here in Atlanta. Barring full updates at least send the time set updates for now.
Also set a request to Sony to provide a fix to be able to set our clocks manually. If they could/would not be able to do so, then give us the code so someone could do it for them and provide it to all.
I urge all to contact both and push them in to action. The more they hear from us, the better our chances to get something done.
Michael
post #549 of 1484
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

ok, I've set things up as you say...

but now I don't understand what you say above...WHY do you not use the listings for setting recordings?

you didn't answer my question about whether your device is pure analog OR can tune/record high-def...and I also wonder whether you are using the "substitute" zip code as specified in the Pal manual for the TVGOS mode, versus using your real zip code (i.e., in your TVGOS device, not in the Pal, which doesn't care which zip code you entered for the normal Pal mode, once you've put it into TVGOS mode)

(A number of people have gotten TVGOS to work for analog-only devices using the Pal, but so far none have succeeded in getting listings for digital channels with the 3410a, at least as reported on the threads I follow - including of course the one for the 3410a!!!)

hi avnstf...

since my device is pure analog ( analog tuner, NTSC only, analog only TVGOS ), the tuner in the panny is useless unless i only want to record OTA stuff. if i did, i would set the panny to cable no, box yes, and let the panny drive the PAL tuner using the IR blaster. if i had cable, it would be better. i would set the panny to cable yes, box no,
then edit the channel assignments in the panny to tune to the real correct local cable channels ( cox still provides analog feeds for the channels i watch ). if i really wanted to try it using dish network, i would set the panny to cable yes, box yes, and then try to get the panny to control the dish receiver ( however, not sure if the panny blaster service includes the dish receiver... in that case, i would try to take advantage of my mits tv's ' net command ' feature, whereby the mits net command learns the dish remote, and then can accept mits channel commands and convert them to dish channel commands. in all cases, though, the PAL would be manipulated manually to the local digital host station and the panny would either tune directly for the cable service, or control the dish receiver.

anyway, too much hassle for me, since i'm really only interested in getting a 7 day listing grid as well as using the TVGOS sort features to search for things i might want to record... i then set up manual timers in the panny, and match them with an auto tune timer in the dish receiver...

again, i'm pure analog all the way with the panasonic dvr... and i'm using my real zip code in the panny, as well as the PAL....

i believe that the bogus zip code stuff has more to do with the PAL ' remapping ' of channel numbers to feed to the TVGOS device to be compatible with the older device's channel command capability ( the older guy doesn't know from digital channel assignments, so it needs to be able to just command the PAL using typical 3 digit old style cable box channel numbers.... my theory is that the PAL becomes a pseudo-host, and ships lineups with ' modified ' channel assignments to the TVGOS device. when the PAL receives a ' legacy style ' channel command, it tunes to the equivalent digital channel... of course, this only works with an OTA lineup, since the PAL is an OTA kind of guy....

rgds,
ron g
post #550 of 1484
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

ok, I've set things up as you say...

but now I don't understand what you say above...WHY do you not use the listings for setting recordings?

you didn't answer my question about whether your device is pure analog OR can tune/record high-def...and I also wonder whether you are using the "substitute" zip code as specified in the Pal manual for the TVGOS mode, versus using your real zip code (i.e., in your TVGOS device, not in the Pal, which doesn't care which zip code you entered for the normal Pal mode, once you've put it into TVGOS mode)

(A number of people have gotten TVGOS to work for analog-only devices using the Pal, but so far none have succeeded in getting listings for digital channels with the 3410a, at least as reported on the threads I follow - including of course the one for the 3410a!!!)

hi again...

you SHOULD get listings for the digital channels if they are part of whatever lineup you get... the key will be to adjust the RF channel for your host station to RF channel 3...
this should get you most, if not all, of your listings... but then, you'll need to use the TVGOS channel editor to ensure that your TV will tune things correctly... using your regular zip in your device ( 3410 ) should cause the TVGOS data to be regular data. using the bogus zip in your device should cause the pal to feed you its ' mapped pal compatible channel assignments ' which would not be useful in your case, since your device wants to tune to real digital channels... as long as you can edit the channels in your device to what you want your tuner to do, you should be good, with the exception of setting the host station to RF channel 3... hopefully, your listing lineup will include 2 entries for your host station, where you can enable both, using the analog guy as RF channel 3, and the digital guy as 5-1, or whatever it really is...
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rgds...

rg
post #551 of 1484
Quote:
Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

ok, I've set things up as you say...

but now I don't understand what you say above...WHY do you not use the listings for setting recordings?

you didn't answer my question about whether your device is pure analog OR can tune/record high-def...and I also wonder whether you are using the "substitute" zip code as specified in the Pal manual for the TVGOS mode, versus using your real zip code (i.e., in your TVGOS device, not in the Pal, which doesn't care which zip code you entered for the normal Pal mode, once you've put it into TVGOS mode)

(A number of people have gotten TVGOS to work for analog-only devices using the Pal, but so far none have succeeded in getting listings for digital channels with the 3410a, at least as reported on the threads I follow - including of course the one for the 3410a!!!)

hi again...

be aware that some of this is still speculation on my part, since i do not have a 3410...
my setup ( using the PAL ) has no digital capability... in my market, the lineups i get DO include digital OTA channels, but they only include analog cable channels, most of which land in the panny turned off and without their associated channel assignments. i get a FEW cable channels in the lineup with populated channel assignments, but i have to edit the rest to turn them on and give them some channel ( either bogus or real ) in order to get the listings populated... after that, the grid does get populated with listings...
in your case, i'm not sure what your lineup looks like... it may or may not contain correct channel assignments, but if you assign the correct channels and just turn those channels on in the editor, i suspect you might get what you need...

rg
post #552 of 1484
well, rkg22, I GOT listings overnight after turning on the local CBS analog channel (KPIX 5) in the TV Guide lineup and changing the channel number to 3. (I do also have KPIX 5.1 in the lineup, which I left as is.) I didn't expect to see listings, but I GOT them, as the usual 1,2,3,8 day set...

so thanks for making the suggestion and putting up with the fact that, first, I didn't understand it, then it didn't make sense, and finally I understood, but it didn't seem sensible...

now I'll just leave it as it is (though I HAVE set a recording, just to see if THAT works), and see how long it lasts....

Tony

(Guess I'll have to change my signature, but I'll wait to see if it continues to work.)
post #553 of 1484
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

well, rkg22, I GOT listings overnight after turning on the local CBS analog channel (KPIX 5) in the TV Guide lineup and changing the channel number to 3. (I do also have KPIX 5.1 in the lineup, which I left as is.) I didn't expect to see listings, but I GOT them, as the usual 1,2,3,8 day set...

so thanks for making the suggestion and putting up with the fact that, first, I didn't understand it, then it didn't make sense, and finally I understood, but it didn't seem sensible...

now I'll just leave it as it is (though I HAVE set a recording, just to see if THAT works), and see how long it lasts....

Tony

(Guess I'll have to change my signature, but I'll wait to see if it continues to work.)

hey tony...
that's great news... i know you've been frustrated over this stuff, just like me for who knows how long... i hope you get the full week's grid... i've gotten as far as 3 or 4 days so far... PAL stopped once and i had to kick it in the side by doing SA command to change channels, then back to the host... so far so good for me...

please let me know how it goes...

rgds
ron g..
post #554 of 1484
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Originally Posted by drgkja View Post

this is getting both interesting and confusing jed1....no trouble in getting the info you asked for. here it is-

1. ch 14: i have been assuming that is analog b/c when i try to check its signal strength using pio's signal strength meter, it tells this is not a digital channel so no signal reading.

2. following your steps for the cc diagnostics, the freq for CBS-HD (ch 702) is 711000

3. for TVGOS ver is 08:01:68 (7G-TV) the HOSTSUFlag = 0xbf800000

4. for TVGOS ver is 09:01:46 (8G-TV) the HOSTSUFlag = 0xbe000000

so another interesting thing/quesiton-- when i went into the cc diag for the 7G-pio, the very first screen said: there is problem with your equipment.

error (52) during (CCI) exchange.

any idea what this error is?

Hi drgkja,
I forgot about the signal strength meter and you are right it will not work with analog channels.

The physical rf channel for CBS HD is 110 (711MHz). If you guides was using the TVG1 data stream, 110 is the number that will be displayed as your host channel. 702 will be displayed as your clock set channel.

Channel 14 can be a physical rf channel or a virtual analog channel. If you go to the 6th cable card menu while you are tuned to this channel and it reads 123000KHz, then it is a physical rf analog channel. If it has a different frequency on line three then it is a virtual analog channel. Your guides will display 14 for both the host channel and clock set channel no matter if the channel is a physical analog or vitual analog channel.

Thanks for the info about the HOSTSUFlags. I think it was mabuttra who mentioned this in the Sony DHG thread a while ago. This is key to how the guide builds a grid and also what data stream the guide gets its data from.

Error 52 is Read Error that occured between your CableCard (POD-Point of Deployment) and the single stream HOST (your television's CableCard slot). The sympton is your picture maybe frozen on your scrambled channels.
Note: All CableCard errors is between the POD and the HOST.

If you are not losing scrambled channels, or your channel list, and the picture is not freezing up then do not mess with it. If you are having problems then try resetting the CableCard if the tv hasn't done so automatically.
If it didn't then the best way to do this is to turn the tv off and shut the master power switch off, if the 7th gen PIO's have one, then unplug the tv for about 5 minutes. Plug the tv back in turn the master switch on if neccessary and turn the tv back on. It will take a few minutes after turning on then the CableCard should reset itself. You will know when this happens because the tv should change to channel 2. Check your CableCard diagnostics menu to see if the error reoccured. If the error reoccurs and you are having problems with the picture freezing up or losing channel then you have to call your cable company for a new card. The CSR's and the techs probably don't know what CableCard errors are so don't be suprised if they give you a hard time.

Here is two links to the list of CableCard errors. One is from Cable Labs and the other is from The Society of Cable Telecommunication Engineers.

Cable Labs, List begins on page 239:
Tip: Everything you need to know about CableCards is in this document.
http://www.cablelabs.com/specificati...I19-090904.pdf
SCTE, List begins on page 220:
http://www.scte.org/documents/pdf/St...028%202007.pdf
Sites where info comes from:
http://www.cablelabs.com/
http://www.scte.org/

Again if your tv doesn't have any unusual behavior then don't mess with it. If it does then print the list of CableCard errors out and have it handy for when the tech shows up. It will make things go easier.

Again sorry for the long post and for being a bit off topic.
post #555 of 1484
your post has a lot of new/useful info so l don't mind the length.

re ch14, in the 6th cc menu: line 2 freq = 104000; line 3 freq = 86100. so that make it a "virtual analog"....right?

thanks for the homework (i.e, the links)...i have a lots of material to read

i have been looking at the tvgos diag pages pretty regularly but i have never seen 110 as the host ch (on either tv)

th good thing...both tvs are showing full guide so i am not changing anything but am quite curios about the workings so i'll keep watching the diag info.

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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

Hi drgkja,
I forgot about the signal strength meter and you are right it will not work with analog channels.

The physical rf channel for CBS HD is 110 (711MHz). If you guides was using the TVG1 data stream, 110 is the number that will be displayed as your host channel. 702 will be displayed as your clock set channel.

Channel 14 can be a physical rf channel or a virtual analog channel. If you go to the 6th cable card menu while you are tuned to this channel and it reads 123000KHz, then it is a physical rf analog channel. If it has a different frequency on line three then it is a virtual analog channel. Your guides will display 14 for both the host channel and clock set channel no matter if the channel is a physical analog or vitual analog channel.

Thanks for the info about the HOSTSUFlags. I think it was mabuttra who mentioned this in the Sony DHG thread a while ago. This is key to how the guide builds a grid and also what data stream the guide gets its data from.

Error 52 is Read Error that occured between your CableCard (POD-Point of Deployment) and the single stream HOST (your television's CableCard slot). The sympton is your picture maybe frozen on your scrambled channels.
Note: All CableCard errors is between the POD and the HOST.

If you are not losing scrambled channels, or your channel list, and the picture is not freezing up then do not mess with it. If you are having problems then try resetting the CableCard if the tv hasn't done so automatically.
If it didn't then the best way to do this is to turn the tv off and shut the master power switch off, if the 7th gen PIO's have one, then unplug the tv for about 5 minutes. Plug the tv back in turn the master switch on if neccessary and turn the tv back on. It will take a few minutes after turning on then the CableCard should reset itself. You will know when this happens because the tv should change to channel 2. Check your CableCard diagnostics menu to see if the error reoccured. If the error reoccurs and you are having problems with the picture freezing up or losing channel then you have to call your cable company for a new card. The CSR's and the techs probably don't know what CableCard errors are so don't be suprised if they give you a hard time.

Here is two links to the list of CableCard errors. One is from Cable Labs and the other is from The Society of Cable Telecommunication Engineers.

Cable Labs, List begins on page 239:
Tip: Everything you need to know about CableCards is in this document.
http://www.cablelabs.com/specificati...I19-090904.pdf
SCTE, List begins on page 220:
http://www.scte.org/documents/pdf/St...028%202007.pdf
Sites where info comes from:
http://www.cablelabs.com/
http://www.scte.org/

Again if your tv doesn't have any unusual behavior then don't mess with it. If it does then print the list of CableCard errors out and have it handy for when the tech shows up. It will make things go easier.

Again sorry for the long post and for being a bit off topic.
post #556 of 1484
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Originally Posted by drgkja View Post

your post has a lot of new/useful info so l don't mind the length.

re ch14, in the 6th cc menu: line 2 freq = 104000; line 3 freq = 86100. so that make it a "virtual analog"....right?

thanks for the homework (i.e, the links)...i have a lots of material to read

i have been looking at the tvgos diag pages pretty regularly but i have never seen 110 as the host ch (on either tv)

th good thing...both tvs are showing full guide so i am not changing anything but am quite curios about the workings so i'll keep watching the diag info.

Hi drgkja,
Yes your analog channels are vitual channels. Line 2 in the 6th CC menu I believe (not 100% sure) is the physical location of the FDC (forward data carrier) for the CableCard. This number will the same on both of your tvs and also for every channel.

Are you sure you don't have both frequency numbers mixed up. Line three shoud be 104000KHz which is physcial channel 97 and 86.100 KHz is the FDC which is a little above the center of physical channel 6. On my tv the FDC is 74.250 KHz which is physical channel 1.

Two interesting things about channel 97:
1. It is located between physical channel 6 and physical channel 7
2. Since there is video on this channel, it means that your cable company isn't carrying any FM radio stations on your cable system. Channels 95, 96, and 97 on my cable system carry the FM radio stations. I have my cable hooked to my A/V receiver. If you have an A/V receiver with a FM tuner built in give it a try there might be something there. If you don't have a threaded male F connector on your receiver then go to Lowes and get a push on F connector that has the male thread end on one side to use. It is made by RCA and the part # is VH68N.

Here is a cable tv channel chart that goes up to 1 GHz.
Note: Notice the channel sequence of the first 27 channels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_A...on_frequencies

I also check the TVGOS diagnostics screens on a regular basis. As soon as Rovicorp activates the inserter in my cable company's head end, my two version 9's will be back on analog data.
post #557 of 1484
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Originally Posted by rkg22 View Post

hey tony...
that's great news... i know you've been frustrated over this stuff, just like me for who knows how long... i hope you get the full week's grid... i've gotten as far as 3 or 4 days so far... PAL stopped once and i had to kick it in the side by doing SA command to change channels, then back to the host... so far so good for me...

please let me know how it goes...

rgds
ron g..

Hi, Ron, just to let you know I've gotten listings for THREE days now, so the grid should be full day after tomorrow...that's the point where Jan J in the Chicago area experienced serious lockup problems...I'm hoping it doesn't happen to me, in which case we will have made some real progress

Tony xx (fingers crossed)
post #558 of 1484
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

Hi, Ron, just to let you know I've gotten listings for THREE days now, so the grid should be full day after tomorrow...that's the point where Jan J in the Chicago area experienced serious lockup problems...I'm hoping it doesn't happen to me, in which case we will have made some real progress

Tony xx (fingers crossed)

hi tony...

thats great to hear... i'm still getting listing updates as well here... no lockups so far...
do keep in mind the remote and tuner bugs i had mentioned... tuner bug - locks up the PAL is you try to tune it to an ' unoccupied channel ' ( where the tuner cannot ' lock ' ...
also the remote bug - possible defective IR detectors ( haven't replaced my detector yet to see if it's the cause ), that will cause the pal to react to random light. in tvgos mode, the symptom displayed is the menu coming up to ask you if you want to cancel tvgos mode. in regular mode, th pay will react by bringing up the ' switching to analog pass-through mode in x seconds ' ...

keeping my fingers crossed for us both ... by the way, my fix for the over reactive IR detector is black vinyl tape over the detector to make it mostly deaf...

rgds,
rg
post #559 of 1484
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Originally Posted by rkg22 View Post

hi tony...

thats great to hear... i'm still getting listing updates as well here... no lockups so far...
do keep in mind the remote and tuner bugs i had mentioned... tuner bug - locks up the PAL is you try to tune it to an ' unoccupied channel ' ( where the tuner cannot ' lock ' ...
also the remote bug - possible defective IR detectors ( haven't replaced my detector yet to see if it's the cause ), that will cause the pal to react to random light. in tvgos mode, the symptom displayed is the menu coming up to ask you if you want to cancel tvgos mode. in regular mode, th pay will react by bringing up the ' switching to analog pass-through mode in x seconds ' ...

keeping my fingers crossed for us both ... by the way, my fix for the over reactive IR detector is black vinyl tape over the detector to make it mostly deaf...

rgds,
rg

thanks - I haven't had either of those problems...and the only time I've had to reset the channel on the Pal (using my simulated SA remote) has been after there's been a power outage


...including three weeks ago, when I had to unplug everything to run a modern circuit into my music and TV watching room to carry the increased load from the new Pioneer plasma I got to replace my 6-year-old Sony CRT HDTV, as well as the Onkyo integrated receiver/surround sound system I got to accompany the Pioneer...the original 1914 wiring wasn't designed for such things (and of course didn't have a modern ground)!

(I had installed a modern box under the kitchen/laundry area when I moved into my house - the refrigerator that was left in the kitchen when I moved in was plugged into the adjacent WALL lamp, and all the fuses for the house were for THIRTY amps...crazy!)

Cheers - Tony
post #560 of 1484
I have been in contact with WGCL in Atlanta about TVGOS and this is the lasetest update/reply since we lost listing updates and such 2 weeks ago.
Rovi still has not replied to any of my Emails.
Here is the update/reply from WGCL on the TVGOS problem:
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Michael

We had a call with tv guide friday morning. They are just starting their investigation. They had not contacted Apex yet.

I expect the timeframe for correction of this problem will be weeks.....not days.

We took the action to remove the service as there is a least a 10 to 1 ratio of Apex converters to TVGO users.

Steve
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So it looks like we will be without listings for a while at this rate. I will Email ROVI daily until I get a reply. All affected should do same.
Michael
post #561 of 1484
Michael,

Do you have a specific email address or contact at Rovi? I emailed the generic address a week ago with no response. Maybe Steve at WGCL can supply us a name/email for Rovi...
Thanks.

Chris
post #562 of 1484
This is strange. Everything appeared to be working great with the DTVPal outputting TVGOS through its RF Output, and without an IR blaster (which I can’t use for my setup that includes cable). By 2 days ago, Saturday night, I had a complete 8 days worth of TV Guide listings. Then yesterday, Sunday, I noticed somehow I had lost almost all of the listings that were already there! (Most shows that already had future listings were gone).

All that remained as of yesterday was up until today’s afternoon listings. So last night I did the DTVPal refresh thing by switching it in TVGOS mode with the Scientific Atlanta codes and a universal remote, away from the host channel and then back to the host channel. Even though I had just done this on Friday which was just two days before. Today the listings have advanced ever so slightly until tomorrow, Tuesday morning, but nothing after that for the rest of the 8 days (It repeatedly says “No Listing”). At this rate, the full listings will never come back! I had this funny feeling that everything was going too well and problems would arise, and I guess I was right. I will try the refresh thing every day and see if that helps.

Anyone else see this kind of behavior before, where the existing TV Guide listings start disappearing?
post #563 of 1484
to continue with my new experience of getting TVGOS data in my 3410a via a DTVPal:

I did NOT get listings overnight, but did a 4-5 second power down (using a foot switch) of my 3410a around noon, and at 1:45 PM the guide light went on as per schedule for analog data...when I checked at 5 PM, I HAD gotten the listings, so now I have 7 days (hoping to fill the grid by tomorrow...)
post #564 of 1484
I posted this on some of the other threads as well.
Here are the contacts for Rovi, Sony, and WGCL:
Rovi CE Support
E-mail Address(es):
ce_customer_support@rovicorp.com Rovi still has yet to reply to any Emails, so here is a number to call as well:800-386-7380.

Steve Flanagan
E-mail Address(es):
Steve.Flanagan@cbs46.com
Steve pretty much can only do so much with getting Rovi to do something, but I think if he sees there are a lot more of us with TVGOS than he thinks, then maybe we could at least get him to turn the system on during the midnight hours. Does not hurt to ask.

Sony Support (800) 222-7669
I called Sony about getting them to work on a patch/upgrade for us to have the ability to set our clocks manually. Told them that in the Atlanta area we have no TVGOS updates, hence no clock set time, therefore no ability to set manual recordings without a correct clock. Put a call in, can't hurt. Maybe someone there will listen and do this for us.
Michael
post #565 of 1484
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Originally Posted by seattlemark View Post

This is strange. Everything appeared to be working great with the DTVPal outputting TVGOS through its RF Output, and without an IR blaster (which I can’t use for my setup that includes cable). By 2 days ago, Saturday night, I had a complete 8 days worth of TV Guide listings. Then yesterday, Sunday, I noticed somehow I had lost almost all of the listings that were already there! (Most shows that already had future listings were gone).

All that remained as of yesterday was up until today’s afternoon listings. So last night I did the DTVPal refresh thing by switching it in TVGOS mode with the Scientific Atlanta codes and a universal remote, away from the host channel and then back to the host channel. Even though I had just done this on Friday which was just two days before. Today the listings have advanced ever so slightly until tomorrow, Tuesday morning, but nothing after that for the rest of the 8 days (It repeatedly says “No Listing”). At this rate, the full listings will never come back! I had this funny feeling that everything was going too well and problems would arise, and I guess I was right. I will try the refresh thing every day and see if that helps.

Anyone else see this kind of behavior before, where the existing TV Guide listings start disappearing?

Yikes! After sitting over night, when I turned on the TV this morning again there was only the next 21 hours of listings (this time till tomorrow at 4:30 am). No more data after that. This 21 hour period shifts each night when the TV is off. I can't imagine what is going on, particularly since I had the whole week that disappeared one day. I have no idea what to do now to get the complete week of listings back.

Update. It's now 7 hours since I wrote the above, and the TV has been off until now, 1:20 pm. The listings have shifted. Now I have till 11:30 am tomorrow. It will never catch up.
post #566 of 1484
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Originally Posted by seattlemark View Post

Yikes! After sitting over night, when I turned on the TV this morning again there was only the next 21 hours of listings (this time till tomorrow at 4:30 am). No more data after that. This 21 hour period shifts each night when the TV is off. I can't imagine what is going on, particularly since I had the whole week that disappeared one day. I have no idea what to do now to get the complete week of listings back.

Update. It's now 7 hours since I wrote the above, and the TV has been off until now, 1:20 pm. The listings have shifted. Now I have till 11:30 am tomorrow. It will never catch up.

hi seattlemark -
i don't recall your equipment or setup, but presume you are using the pal and have the kind of TVGOS in your equipment that stores up to a weeks worth of listings, as opposed to the TV Guide ' daily ' flavor, that only does 24 hours...

check to ensure that the host station in your TV Guide lineup is programmed to the PAL channel, eg, channel 3. i have seen that occasionally if the TV gives up and searches for a lineup again, it will get the lineup and cause your host station to revert back to whatever the lineup wants it to be...

if this is the case, go into your TV Guide channel editor and change the host station ( the analog version if you have 2 entries ) to RF channel 3 if it is not set to that already...

also, there is a chance that your internal TVGOS equipment might have experienced memory corruption, in which case, you would need to cold **** ( hard reset via entering zip 00000 and power cycle ), then re-enter your particular data for your setup...

i have had the TVGOS software in my panasonic analog setup get totally confused to the point that i had to perform a hard reset... the corruption appears to happen as a function of the data actually being received from the host...

my version of TVGOS in the panny is v7, and i have also seen evidence of memory corruption in my mits tv running tv guide daily v9...

when corruption occurs, various strange things can happen, including what you are describing...

also, try looking out 7 days in the lineup to see if you have anything for up to day 7.
a section with no linstings in between ( like on days 3 thru 6 ) would indicate that you lost the guide feed for 1 or more days, and would need to wait a week for the thing to catch up and fill the voids...
post #567 of 1484
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Originally Posted by seattlemark View Post

Yikes! After sitting over night, when I turned on the TV this morning again there was only the next 21 hours of listings (this time till tomorrow at 4:30 am). No more data after that. This 21 hour period shifts each night when the TV is off. I can't imagine what is going on, particularly since I had the whole week that disappeared one day. I have no idea what to do now to get the complete week of listings back.

Update. It's now 7 hours since I wrote the above, and the TV has been off until now, 1:20 pm. The listings have shifted. Now I have till 11:30 am tomorrow. It will never catch up.

hi again seattlemark...

also, i presume that you are using the pal mixed in with your cable feed and use the pal just to get listing data from an OTA source...

in this case, be sure that your PAL output ( on rf channel 3 ) is not being interfered with by a signal from your cable provider, and also it's probably best to utilize your regular zip, as opposed to the bogus zip as instructed by the pal user manual...

the bogus zip ( i believe ) implements the pal's channel re-mapping stuff, which is not useful in your case, and may also serve to cause software issues depending upon how the pal updates channel lineups and feeds them to your tvgos equipment...

one last thing, there are reported cases of the pal going to sleep after several days or more of working... in this case, you might want to use a universal remote programmed for scientific atlanta, and then issue a channel command to an alternate OTA channel, followed by a channel command back to your host station's OTA channel... this appears to wake the pal back up and it starts delivering data once again....

also be aware of the over-reactive IR sensor in some pal boxes... if you have one of these, it might be responding to either ambient light, or even other remote controls that you use, possibly causing the pal to go whacko... if you do have one of these, a piece of black vinyl tape over the IR sensor should cure the issue, albeit a bit crude...

my setup takes OTA into the PAL, with the PAL feeding my panasonic ' analog only ' v7 DVR via the antenna input, currently with nothing else mixed in... if i had cable mixed in, i would be using my channel 4 trap, and channel 4 insertion box to filter out the cable provider's channel 4 rf signal and replace it with the PAL channel 4 output...

i currently use dish network sat service, though, so my panny is used just to get the listings for the week and i schedule recordings manually using the line input to the panny...

hope this helps...

rgds,
ron g
post #568 of 1484
Until recently, I was receiving Atlanta TVGOS listings thru Charter cable. I have sent a couple of emails to ROVI customer support with no response. I will call their support number when I get a chance. I have also emailed Steve Flanagan at WGCL 46, CBS Atlanta per your suggestion.

Thought I would add that WGCL 46, CBS Atlanta has a staff of consumer reporters that could help solve the TVGOS issue. They have a form on the cbsatlanta.com web site.
post #569 of 1484
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Originally Posted by TVGossip View Post

Until recently, I was receiving Atlanta TVGOS listings thru Charter cable. I have sent a couple of emails to ROVI customer support with no response. I will call their support number when I get a chance. I have also emailed Steve Flanagan at WGCL 46, CBS Atlanta per your suggestion.

Thought I would add that WGCL 46, CBS Atlanta has a staff of consumer reporters that could help solve the TVGOS issue. They have a form on the cbsatlanta.com web site.

As noted previously, there is an interoperability issue between WGCL's equipment and the TVGOS encoder. The result is that TVGOS "breaks" their channel on one of the more popular CECBs (coupon eligible converter boxes), used by thousands of residents in the Atlanta area.

It is Rovi's responsibility to make TVGOS compatible with the equipment used by various local affiliates.
post #570 of 1484
Thanks rkg22 for your two replies above. Below are my responses to some of your great tips.

i don't recall your equipment or setup, but presume you are using the pal and have the kind of TVGOS in your equipment that stores up to a weeks worth of listings, as opposed to the TV Guide ' daily ' flavor, that only does 24 hours... its the one week version, and I had the entire week until suddenly all but the first 21-24 hours were lost

check to ensure that the host station in your TV Guide lineup is programmed to the PAL channel, eg, channel 3. i have seen that occasionally if the TV gives up and searches for a lineup again, it will get the lineup and cause your host station to revert back to whatever the lineup wants it to be... I had turned off every OTA channel but the host channel and did set that single one to channel 3

also, i presume that you are using the pal mixed in with your cable feed and use the pal just to get listing data from an OTA source...
in this case, be sure that your PAL output ( on rf channel 3 ) is not being interfered with by a signal from your cable provider, and also it's probably best to utilize your regular zip, as opposed to the bogus zip as instructed by the pal user manual...
I do indeed have a mix of cable and OTA. In my case its cablecard with FIOS. BUt FIOS doesn't carrying the TVGOS, at least not for analog. I am using my regular zip and it was working fine before. In fact until this happened I had both the OTA lineup and the local Seattle FIOS lineup.

one last thing, there are reported cases of the pal going to sleep after several days or more of working... in this case, you might want to use a universal remote programmed for scientific atlanta, and then issue a channel command to an alternate OTA channel, followed by a channel command back to your host station's OTA channel... this appears to wake the pal back up and it starts delivering data once again.... I have been waking it up daily. And I still only get about the next 21-24 hours of upcoming data. (Of course those identical same listings were all there before now, since they were lost less than a week ago.)

also be aware of the over-reactive IR sensor in some pal boxes... if you have one of these, it might be responding to either ambient light, or even other remote controls that you use, possibly causing the pal to go whacko... if you do have one of these, a piece of black vinyl tape over the IR sensor should cure the issue, albeit a bit crude... I don't think its that case or I would be getting the prompt to confirm that the DTVPal can go to Digital mode. I don't ever see that prompt, and I don't think that prompt goes away by itself.

also, try looking out 7 days in the lineup to see if you have anything for up to day 7.
a section with no linstings in between ( like on days 3 thru 6 ) would indicate that you lost the guide feed for 1 or more days, and would need to wait a week for the thing to catch up and fill the voids...
No voids. Just the first 21-24 days that would update each day (or perhaps just displaying what is somehow still in memory from before), with the rest of the week repeatedly showing "No Listing".

also, there is a chance that your internal TVGOS equipment might have experienced memory corruption, in which case, you would need to cold **** ( hard reset via entering zip 00000 and power cycle ), then re-enter your particular data for your setup...
i have had the TVGOS software in my panasonic analog setup get totally confused to the point that i had to perform a hard reset... the corruption appears to happen as a function of the data actually being received from the host...
I think that's it. But I don't recall this happening before the digital transition when I was getting the TVGOS data directly without the Pal. So it is cold boot time. sigh. After working so hard to get the clock signal, and then the FIOS cable lineup, and the first week of data, here I go again.
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