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post #961 of 1480
9/4/11 at 10:32am
I just found this old link on my Windows ME hard drive this morning. It shows how the TVGOS/Guide Plus system works.
http://www.dvdplusrw.org/Article.asp...&sid=-1&aid=79

I am suprised that these links still work.
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post #962 of 1480
9/4/11 at 12:34pm
Where is Gemstar when you need them??
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post #963 of 1480
9/4/11 at 10:53pm
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Where is Gemstar when you need them??

before Gemstar it was Starsight broadcast on PBS stations.
milt
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post #964 of 1480
9/4/11 at 10:58pm
Interesting, I never heard that before.
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post #965 of 1480
9/6/11 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by milt9 View Post

before Gemstar it was Starsight broadcast on PBS stations.
milt

google and wikipedia are your friend here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Teletext_systems

See Section United States -> Star Sight
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post #966 of 1480
9/25/11 at 11:11am
My sister who lives in Chambersburg PA and has comcast cable just got a response from Rovi that Comcast in Central PA is going all digital and will no longer be converting the SCTE 127 legacy stream back to analog.
This means that all TVGOS devices from Version 8 and under will no longer work unless the user gets a DTV PAL or a Artec convertor box and tries to get the TVGOS signal from an antenna.

Also it appears that Comcast is grooming out the TVG1 stream from the host station and no digital TVGOS (Version 9 and 10) device will work either. The user will have to get the signal form an antenna.

Rovi also mentioned that they can not force Comcast to cooperate with them and pass their TVGOS data onto the end user as participation is totally up to Comcast.

So as it stands right now there is no TVGOS data at all on Comcast systems in south central PA. It is also possible that this will happen in other Comcast areas.
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post #967 of 1480
9/25/11 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

My sister who lives in Chambersburg PA and has comcast cable just got a response from Rovi that Comcast in Central PA is going all digital and will no longer be converting the SCTE 127 legacy stream back to analog.
This means that all TVGOS devices from Version 8 and under will no longer work unless the user gets a DTV PAL or a Artec convertor box and tries to get the TVGOS signal from an antenna.

Also it appears that Comcast is grooming out the TVG1 stream from the host station and no digital TVGOS (Version 9 and 10) device will work either. The user will have to get the signal form an antenna.

Rovi also mentioned that they can not force Comcast to cooperate with them and pass their TVGOS data onto the end user as participation is totally up to Comcast.

So as it stands right now there is no TVGOS data at all on Comcast systems in south central PA. It is also possible that this will happen in other Comcast areas.

That sucks.
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post #968 of 1480
9/26/11 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

My sister who lives in Chambersburg PA and has comcast cable just got a response from Rovi that Comcast in Central PA is going all digital and will no longer be converting the SCTE 127 legacy stream back to analog.
This means that all TVGOS devices from Version 8 and under will no longer work unless the user gets a DTV PAL or a Artec convertor box and tries to get the TVGOS signal from an antenna.

Also it appears that Comcast is grooming out the TVG1 stream from the host station and no digital TVGOS (Version 9 and 10) device will work either. The user will have to get the signal form an antenna.

Rovi also mentioned that they can not force Comcast to cooperate with them and pass their TVGOS data onto the end user as participation is totally up to Comcast.

So as it stands right now there is no TVGOS data at all on Comcast systems in south central PA. It is also possible that this will happen in other Comcast areas.

Comcast seems to be doing the same thing in the Hartford, CT area. I have 3 Sony DVRs and one has lost listings altogether. The other two are connected to an antenna and are now getting digital TVGOS from our local PBS station. Looks like I need to get some rabbit ears or equivalent for the cable-only unit...
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post #969 of 1480
9/26/11 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by cheneyp View Post

The other two are connected to an antenna and are now getting digital TVGOS from our local PBS station. Looks like I need to get some rabbit ears or equivalent for the cable-only unit...

And are you able to schedule recordings from all the cable channels through the grid OK?

I ask, because on the older, HDD/DVD recorders with v7 TVGOS. you weren't able to do that. You could get the guide info for the cable channels OTA, but when you set up, you had to choose either "OTA" or "Cable" (one or the other), and the channel numbers in the menu were greyed out, and weren't able to be turned "on".
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post #970 of 1480
9/26/11 at 8:20pm
With the Sony HD DVRs, you can select a cable provider's channel lineup, and turn on the "cable" channels in the TVGOS listings, even if you're receiving the guide data OTA. In the initial TVGOS setup you have to specify that you're using both cable and an antenna.
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post #971 of 1480
9/26/11 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by jtbell View Post

With the Sony HD DVRs, you can select a cable provider's channel lineup, and turn on the "cable" channels in the TVGOS listings, even if you're receiving the guide data OTA. In the initial TVGOS setup you have to specify that you're using both cable and an antenna.

You have me confused. My grid shows cable and OTA. When I setup the Sony it asked me about the antenna and I said no. I don't think TVGOS cares, and my listings would indicate it thinks I have a cable card and an antenna. When asked for a provider with the guide, antenna was not an option. I like antennas too, but the Sony keeps turning on 16-1 and other OTA signals even though I have no antenna or digital channels near there. V8 does not even show my clear QAM digital channels. V10 does display them (no data) but that's via an internet connection. My cable is via analog feed. I have never had to turn on any channel. I have turned off many since my grid is circa 2008. All my recording is manual. To clarify, V8 doesn't ask the Sony much about channels, V10 asks but can't understand raw QAM. The TV with V10 is a 32EX700.

Did I misunderstand you?
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post #972 of 1480
9/27/11 at 3:23am
Jed1; How about the OTA host???
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post #973 of 1480
9/27/11 at 6:38am
I thought PBS dropped TVGOS support all over the states and it was picked up by CBS?

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Originally Posted by cheneyp View Post

Comcast seems to be doing the same thing in the Hartford, CT area. I have 3 Sony DVRs and one has lost listings altogether. The other two are connected to an antenna and are now getting digital TVGOS from our local PBS station. Looks like I need to get some rabbit ears or equivalent for the cable-only unit...
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post #974 of 1480
9/27/11 at 6:43am
Here in the New Orleans area TVGOS is on both CBS and PBS.
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post #975 of 1480
9/27/11 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Here in the New Orleans area TVGOS is on both CBS and PBS.

Here, in the middle of nowhere, both CBS and PBS do NOT carry TVGOS. My closest OTA source is 50 miles SW and mostly through solid rock. I could reach WYOU to the NE, but they don't have it.
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post #976 of 1480
9/28/11 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by BOZOO View Post

I thought PBS dropped TVGOS support all over the states and it was picked up by CBS?

I definitely am getting digital "VBI" data from PBS (CPTV) here in CT. Both V8 Sony DVRs on my main TV that are hooked up to cable and a UHF antenna in the attic have now "locked on" to channel 45-1 (mapped 24-1) OTA. On one of them, I had to do the G* test to get the VBI data started but it is working now - I have 8 days of data (at least for the last several days).

The unit upstairs that was not hooked up to an antenna was not getting any VBI data passed from Comcast for the last couple of weeks. I hooked up a small UHF antenna and did an Auto Add from Antenna to add OTA stations. However, I have not been able to get VBI data (and, thus listings), despite channel 24-1 having good reception. I then did the re-setup for TVGOS, realizing that I had not selected antenna as a source. Still no data.
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post #977 of 1480
9/29/11 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by cheneyp View Post

I definitely am getting digital "VBI" data from PBS (CPTV) here in CT. Both V8 Sony DVRs on my main TV that are hooked up to cable and a UHF antenna in the attic have now "locked on" to channel 45-1 (mapped 24-1) OTA. On one of them, I had to do the G* test to get the VBI data started but it is working now - I have 8 days of data (at least for the last several days).

The unit upstairs that was not hooked up to an antenna was not getting any VBI data passed from Comcast for the last couple of weeks. I hooked up a small UHF antenna and did an Auto Add from Antenna to add OTA stations. However, I have not been able to get VBI data (and, thus listings), despite channel 24-1 having good reception. I then did the re-setup for TVGOS, realizing that I had not selected antenna as a source. Still no data.

Any chance you lost the .21 firmware update on the re-setup? You can check with the Sony system diagnostic screen. Digital listing do take longer so I have heard.
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post #978 of 1480
9/30/11 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Any chance you lost the .21 firmware update on the re-setup? You can check with the Sony system diagnostic screen. Digital listing do take longer so I have heard.

I still have the .21 firmware. I had the same thought but checked on the diag screen. The good news is that last night I got a grid and 8 days of listings (with a few sporadic 'No Listing's). It's nice to get a full grid in one update. Used to take a few days to fill in on the analog host channel.
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post #979 of 1480
9/30/11 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by cheneyp View Post

I still have the .21 firmware. I had the same thought but checked on the diag screen. The good news is that last night I got a grid and 8 days of listings (with a few sporadic 'No Listing's). It's nice to get a full grid in one update. Used to take a few days to fill in on the analog host channel.

I'm glad to hear you are back with a grid. After a reset I always restore .21 since you don't have to run the 9012 test to get TVGOS updates. After everything is working I drop back to .13 since .21 has a problem with my cable feed channel numbers. Anyhow, glad things are working.
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post #980 of 1480
9/30/11 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Jed1; How about the OTA host???

WHP HD out of Harrisburg is the TVGOS host but it is very difficult to receive because of mountains blocking the signal. Some people in south central PA have a better chance of receiving the TVGOS host out of Baltimore.

Chambersburg is about 45 miles from Harrisburg with no line of site and Baltimore is 58 miles and also has no line of site.

If I could get a lock on WHP I will need to have a Artec converter box as my RCA DLP can not fully use TVG1 data.

I told her to give in and get a box from comcast as I don't trust that Tivo or Moxi will be around much longer and it is possible that Comcast will begin using MPEG 4 encoding in the coming future.
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post #981 of 1480
9/30/11 at 3:52pm
Does WGAL prevent reception of W08EE-D from Martinsburg? Last time I checked, W08EE-D has TVGOS.

- Trip
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post #982 of 1480
9/30/11 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Does WGAL prevent reception of W08EE-D from Martinsburg? Last time I checked, W08EE-D has TVGOS.

- Trip

Trip,
According to TV Fool WGAL is 2edge and is 54.6 miles and W08EE is LOS and is 40.8 miles and is possible to get with a good indoor antenna. Should be no interference at all.

Can you recommend a good indoor antenna and also update your TVGOS list to include market 119 Hagerstown Maryland as it is not listed.
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post #983 of 1480
9/30/11 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

Trip,
According to TV Fool WGAL is 2edge and is 54.6 miles and W08EE is LOS and is 40.8 miles and is possible to get with a good indoor antenna. Should be no interference at all.

Can you recommend a good indoor antenna and also update your TVGOS list to include market 119 Hagerstown Maryland as it is not listed.

I have the following:

LAVA HD2605 Motorized HD2605
Outdoor HDTV RED
Colorzone UHF/VHF Antenna
With 20% More Gain | 2010 Model!

You are welcome to it. I was unable to acquire WHP. I did get a lot of cable NTSC leakage.

It's very small and uses a 1" mast.
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post #984 of 1480
9/30/11 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

Can you recommend a good indoor antenna and also update your TVGOS list to include market 119 Hagerstown Maryland as it is not listed.

VHF signals are hard to get on indoor antennas, especially one as weak as W08EE-D. You can try it, but you'd be better off looking at an outdoor antenna for that station.

As for the TVGOS list, it's a code limitation due to W08EE-D being a translator. I'm not certain how I would fix that.

- Trip
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post #985 of 1480
10/1/11 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

VHF signals are hard to get on indoor antennas, especially one as weak as W08EE-D. You can try it, but you'd be better off looking at an outdoor antenna for that station.

As for the TVGOS list, it's a code limitation due to W08EE-D being a translator. I'm not certain how I would fix that.

- Trip

Trip,
Thanks for the advice. I see that W08EE-D signal is actually coming from Clarksburg, WV. Market 144.
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post #986 of 1480
10/1/11 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I have the following:

LAVA HD2605 Motorized HD2605
Outdoor HDTV RED
Colorzone UHF/VHF Antenna
With 20% More Gain | 2010 Model!

You are welcome to it. I was unable to acquire WHP. I did get a lot of cable NTSC leakage.

It's very small and uses a 1" mast.

Hi Joe,
If you do not want the antenna I'll give it a try and see if I can get anything at my house.
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post #987 of 1480
10/1/11 at 9:22pm
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Hi Joe,
If you do not want the antenna I'll give it a try and see if I can get anything at my house.

I'll get it together and arrange a meet. I still work until late Monday night.
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post #988 of 1480
10/4/11 at 2:58pm
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I'll get it together and arrange a meet. I still work until late Monday night.

Hi Joe,
I am available anytime. I located a new artec converter box but they want almost 120 dollars for it.
If I can get the antenna to work here it should work at my sisters in chambersburg.
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post #989 of 1480
10/4/11 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

Hi Joe,
I am available anytime. I located a new artec converter box but they want almost 120 dollars for it.
If I can get the antenna to work here it should work at my sisters in chambersburg.

I'll try my best, but there are some family problems at the moment. I'll see if I can work things out.

It's my experience that unless you are mounting an antenna above the foil backed insulation, it's a bad idea. My attic is not insulated, but I still get nothing. My outside mounted FM antenna gets a bunch of stations. But there is nothing like a live test.
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post #990 of 1480
10/7/11 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by acribb View Post

Jacksonville, FL-

TVGOS is not working for me on either of my Sony DHG-HDD500 units since about a week ago. I now have no listings at all on both units. I have contacted my local cable provider, Comcast, and they have no idea what I am talking about when I try to explain TVGOS. I have also left an email with my local PBS channel, which I am told carries the TVGOS data stream.

Anyone else in J-ville with TVGOS issues?

I have 4 Sony DHG units. They all quit receiving listing updates around the 1st of October. Pretty suspicious since it is the beginning of a fiscal year. I receive the info over-the-air only. I have contacted WJCT and have not received a response yet. Does anyone have any info whether WJCT is still broadcasting TVGOS info?
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