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I have the VHS, the Criterion Collection Laserdisc, Signature Series DVD, the Special Edition DVD (TIN) and the DTS audio edition DVD. You could say I'm a fan

This new high definition transfer does not disappoint. This one was cleaned and tweaked as much as possible. There is still some dirt and scratches here and there but fortunately the film grain is left almost entirely alone. Very nice. They also boosted the contrast and brightness to reveal more of the animation. I never realized all this years that the previous versions I watched are indeed "too dark". Do not expect that the restoration will make the color "POP". This was made with the artistic intent of it being dark, dull and dirty.

In the past I have done three comparison thread on anime releases, Appleseed Ex Machina, Vexille and Afro Samurai. They have not really delivered any consistency in PQ. Aliasing, banding and blocking plague one or the other. Akira did not suffer any of them.

For todays audience Akira may be seen as just another post-apocalyptic movie but 20 years ago this "anime" is something very new and very different from any animation we see from Hollywood (Disney) at the time. I would say the animation done on this movie is several years ahead of what was being produced in Hollywood. The detail, the fluid movement is just an amazing piece of work. The influence of this movie in the West can be seen on the popularity of Japanese animation and Manga literature today.
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2/24/09 at 2:24am
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I would like to take this opportunity to beg Sunrise studios to get Code Geass available here in the US this year. The Blu-ray version has been out but unfortunately there is no English subtitles. I could do the Vexille trick but sometimes I am just doing too much just to watch a movie. This TV series in my personal opinion is one of the best to come out from that genre ever.
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2/24/09 at 2:24am
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2/24/09 at 2:24am
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DVD Special Edition


Blu-ray File size: 37.00 GB

Bitrate: 19.58 mbps


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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
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00001.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:04:28 39,757,596,672  41,446,908,828  42.59   19.58   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1466Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)  


DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Akira Blu-ray
Disc Size:      41,446,908,828 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.1

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Size:                   39,757,596,672 bytes
Length:                 2:04:28 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          42.59 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
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MPEG-4 AVC Video        19583 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
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Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         1466 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 1466 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio              Japanese        14340 kbps      5.1 / 192 kHz / 14340 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround)
Dolby Digital Audio             Japanese        640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
LPCM Audio                      Japanese        1536 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1536 kbps / 16-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
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Presentation Graphics           English         71.737 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        65.790 kbps                     

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Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
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00377.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:04:28.461     39,757,596,672  42,587          

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2               0:03:04.309     0:02:20.974     19,883 kbps     27,348 kbps     00:04:46.619    21,975 kbps     00:03:23.202    21,147 kbps     00:03:15.737    103,662 bytes   380,100 bytes   00:04:11.542    
3               0:05:25.283     0:01:33.384     19,749 kbps     23,280 kbps     00:06:37.605    20,788 kbps     00:06:20.421    20,391 kbps     00:05:26.701    102,963 bytes   402,567 bytes   00:06:56.707    
4               0:06:58.668     0:03:34.839     19,453 kbps     28,285 kbps     00:07:19.730    21,420 kbps     00:07:04.632    20,433 kbps     00:10:18.868    101,420 bytes   346,011 bytes   00:10:33.507    
5               0:10:33.507     0:01:38.223     19,695 kbps     24,705 kbps     00:10:44.810    21,430 kbps     00:11:12.922    20,548 kbps     00:10:35.801    102,681 bytes   374,415 bytes   00:11:17.134    
6               0:12:11.730     0:04:42.156     19,717 kbps     30,886 kbps     00:12:40.009    21,656 kbps     00:12:37.923    20,548 kbps     00:12:37.339    102,797 bytes   351,861 bytes   00:12:40.509    
7               0:16:53.887     0:03:43.556     19,549 kbps     24,515 kbps     00:18:26.730    21,671 kbps     00:17:19.246    20,732 kbps     00:17:15.075    101,920 bytes   334,972 bytes   00:19:08.188    
8               0:20:37.444     0:03:07.896     19,722 kbps     24,051 kbps     00:22:22.382    20,952 kbps     00:21:50.183    20,276 kbps     00:21:45.178    102,821 bytes   346,128 bytes   00:21:58.608    
9               0:23:45.340     0:02:59.345     19,687 kbps     28,052 kbps     00:25:40.205    20,860 kbps     00:26:35.385    20,288 kbps     00:25:40.330    102,638 bytes   396,580 bytes   00:25:40.413    
10              0:26:44.686     0:02:25.395     19,672 kbps     26,928 kbps     00:27:14.007    21,837 kbps     00:27:18.428    20,640 kbps     00:27:17.886    102,560 bytes   368,839 bytes   00:27:20.847    
11              0:29:10.081     0:03:00.430     19,603 kbps     29,978 kbps     00:30:12.685    21,807 kbps     00:30:33.832    20,731 kbps     00:30:33.373    102,201 bytes   391,714 bytes   00:29:14.961    
12              0:32:10.511     0:03:11.065     19,760 kbps     25,900 kbps     00:34:12.800    21,005 kbps     00:33:40.393    20,602 kbps     00:32:11.179    103,018 bytes   330,637 bytes   00:32:12.138    
13              0:35:21.577     0:02:52.672     19,762 kbps     23,716 kbps     00:35:28.835    20,930 kbps     00:35:28.084    20,375 kbps     00:35:28.084    103,028 bytes   382,557 bytes   00:38:14.250    
14              0:38:14.250     0:03:08.897     19,718 kbps     24,652 kbps     00:38:57.543    20,945 kbps     00:38:28.305    20,292 kbps     00:38:48.534    102,802 bytes   394,684 bytes   00:40:08.280    
15              0:41:23.147     0:03:42.555     19,672 kbps     24,198 kbps     00:42:51.360    21,641 kbps     00:43:52.463    20,821 kbps     00:43:52.463    102,561 bytes   437,475 bytes   00:43:54.965    
16              0:45:05.703     0:02:34.404     19,648 kbps     22,805 kbps     00:45:05.744    20,906 kbps     00:45:05.744    20,436 kbps     00:45:05.703    102,436 bytes   329,244 bytes   00:45:24.847    
17              0:47:40.107     0:05:36.377     19,776 kbps     30,925 kbps     00:53:08.476    21,713 kbps     00:47:40.858    20,794 kbps     00:47:40.315    103,101 bytes   327,181 bytes   00:47:48.657    
18              0:53:16.484     0:04:00.365     19,684 kbps     25,959 kbps     00:54:16.878    22,345 kbps     00:55:34.539    21,092 kbps     00:55:09.806    102,625 bytes   334,946 bytes   00:54:53.331    
19              0:57:16.850     0:05:15.356     19,758 kbps     26,134 kbps     00:57:34.284    20,854 kbps     00:57:17.559    20,350 kbps     00:57:31.573    103,012 bytes   313,541 bytes   00:58:56.324    
20              1:02:32.206     0:02:57.969     19,724 kbps     24,742 kbps     01:05:25.087    21,858 kbps     01:02:55.730    20,843 kbps     01:02:55.897    102,830 bytes   315,576 bytes   01:05:30.176    
21              1:05:30.176     0:03:06.227     19,710 kbps     25,060 kbps     01:05:35.306    21,022 kbps     01:05:48.569    20,397 kbps     01:05:48.611    102,758 bytes   390,563 bytes   01:05:42.396    
22              1:08:36.403     0:02:34.654     19,763 kbps     27,132 kbps     01:09:20.698    21,242 kbps     01:09:17.069    20,397 kbps     01:09:12.064    103,038 bytes   305,578 bytes   01:09:45.931    
23              1:11:11.058     0:03:19.407     19,741 kbps     23,941 kbps     01:11:58.689    20,417 kbps     01:12:05.571    20,172 kbps     01:13:14.556    102,921 bytes   301,182 bytes   01:14:30.466    
24              1:14:30.466     0:03:41.804     19,711 kbps     26,560 kbps     01:16:29.334    21,082 kbps     01:16:25.330    20,241 kbps     01:16:33.463    102,764 bytes   342,461 bytes   01:16:10.482    
25              1:18:12.270     0:03:19.157     19,643 kbps     26,484 kbps     01:20:01.671    20,776 kbps     01:19:57.667    20,327 kbps     01:18:22.447    102,409 bytes   401,705 bytes   01:19:55.457    
26              1:21:31.428     0:04:26.057     19,619 kbps     27,442 kbps     01:22:46.211    21,076 kbps     01:21:31.636    20,338 kbps     01:23:04.646    102,283 bytes   415,532 bytes   01:23:59.117    
27              1:25:57.485     0:04:49.872     19,577 kbps     27,738 kbps     01:29:22.231    21,868 kbps     01:29:22.231    20,774 kbps     01:28:44.944    102,064 bytes   388,685 bytes   01:25:58.278    
28              1:30:47.358     0:05:18.151     19,707 kbps     25,036 kbps     01:34:30.915    20,948 kbps     01:32:37.009    20,279 kbps     01:32:31.963    102,743 bytes   382,538 bytes   01:34:01.552    
29              1:36:05.509     0:03:33.296     19,693 kbps     25,568 kbps     01:37:39.687    21,490 kbps     01:37:58.080    20,547 kbps     01:38:34.116    102,673 bytes   337,694 bytes   01:38:21.979    
30              1:39:38.806     0:02:16.094     19,733 kbps     26,253 kbps     01:41:01.055    21,145 kbps     01:40:56.467    20,155 kbps     01:40:51.712    102,877 bytes   357,516 bytes   01:41:01.138    
31              1:41:54.900     0:03:47.435     19,681 kbps     25,022 kbps     01:44:43.735    21,213 kbps     01:45:19.688    20,376 kbps     01:45:14.599    102,605 bytes   391,237 bytes   01:42:29.434    
32              1:45:42.335     0:03:39.344     19,705 kbps     26,727 kbps     01:46:06.985    21,250 kbps     01:46:06.985    20,418 kbps     01:46:06.860    102,730 bytes   354,988 bytes   01:45:45.881    
33              1:49:21.680     0:03:02.015     19,626 kbps     28,885 kbps     01:52:10.640    23,441 kbps     01:50:13.773    20,755 kbps     01:50:22.324    102,323 bytes   600,004 bytes   01:50:18.320    
34              1:52:23.695     0:03:43.264     19,581 kbps     40,684 kbps     01:53:19.793    23,009 kbps     01:53:19.876    21,798 kbps     01:53:19.834    102,089 bytes   612,857 bytes   01:53:20.001    
35              1:56:06.959     0:02:18.054     19,656 kbps     35,086 kbps     01:56:28.648    21,862 kbps     01:56:28.648    21,118 kbps     01:56:28.648    102,476 bytes   333,633 bytes   01:57:47.643    
36              1:58:25.014     0:06:03.446     17,831 kbps     30,855 kbps     02:00:57.500    23,044 kbps     02:01:24.610    21,892 kbps     02:01:48.676    92,986 bytes    396,063 bytes   02:01:53.055    

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00377.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     7468.378                19,583                  18,281,744,524  99,462,475      
00377.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x83            TrueHD          jpn (Japanese)          7468.378                14,532                  13,566,022,250  78,937,499      
00377.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x80            LPCM            jpn (Japanese)          7468.378                1,542                   1,439,920,052   8,962,158       
00377.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x83            TrueHD          eng (English)           7468.378                2,106                   1,965,701,474   15,233,907      
00377.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             jpn (Japanese)          7468.378                640                     597,478,400     3,500,850       
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2/24/09 at 4:32am
Looks like they definately cleaned it up. Some softness but may have been needed to do a decent clean up. The colors look like they've changed some. I'll have to pull out the original VHS(If it still works that is) and my TIN and see the color change over the three different versions. I was waiting for some nice captures before pulling the trigger. Thanks Xylon.

I've heard the sound is killer. Supposedly it takes up 12 gig of the disk. Can't wait to pick it up.
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2/24/09 at 4:38am
Some people have said DNR has apparently been applied in some shots based on screenshots posted elsewhere. I don't have my disc yet (and freakin' DVD Pacific has yet to ship it either, so much for getting the slipcover/booklet), so I'd be interested in hearing whether or not you share this opinion.
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2/24/09 at 4:40am
It's not bad, but not as good as some of their earlier titles from the same era. They either went overboard with the clean-up, or more likely they intentionally grain-processed it. In any case, the result is the grain is not very consistent and often moves unnaturally. For most people though it will look great.
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post #11 of 175
2/24/09 at 5:13am
its a massive improvement on the DVD's, I had the tin and the dts version
don't expect to be too wow-ed by the PQ though, compared to other animated titles it looks a bit flat, but for any Akira fans, its a must buy
as for the soundtrack, its simply stunning. The music sounds so immersive, great surround use and with the music each instument seems to be placed specifically
A must buy IMHO
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2/24/09 at 5:15am
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The film grain for the most part is there. I am more lenient on grain scrubbing done on animation since the resulting image doesn't suffer much to the overall presentation. If the level of DNR was used on a live action film then the result will be different. There are more fine details to be lost when removing grain on live action. Sleeping Beauty has more DNR applied to it but no visible smearing and waxy PQ.

The sewer scene where Kei shot the pursuer in the head was still very grainy and there is still visible scratches. Its very tempting to dial up the DNR on this one but they left it alone. If it was applied on that dark scene the resulting image will have a smeared look and should be too obvious not to notice.
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2/24/09 at 5:17am
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post #14 of 175
2/24/09 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post

This TV series in my personal opinion is one of the best to come out from that genre ever.

I would have never guessed by your avatar. :-)
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post #15 of 175
2/24/09 at 8:27am
You know, the DVD doesn't really look that bad. There's some bad edge enhancement but I'm surprised at how well it holds up. I'll definitely pick up the BD version though.
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post #16 of 175
2/24/09 at 8:31am
It's still somewhat of a disappointment to me, especially considering the high profile of the title and the fact that it's actually a brand-new transfer. In my opinion neither sharpness, grain consistency or overall quality/clarity is anywhere near their release of for example Patlabor:

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post #17 of 175
2/24/09 at 8:32am
Yay no more edge enhancement.
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post #18 of 175
2/24/09 at 8:37am
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It's still somewhat of a disappointment to me, especially considering the high profile of the title. In my opinion neither sharpness, grain consistency or overall quality/clarity is anywhere near their release of for example Patlabor:

Yeah, Jin-Roh had some nice grain too: http://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/foru...pic.php?t=4405

I'm pretty happy with this (Akira) release overall, just wished they skipped the windowboxing, even if it is a tiny amount, and maybe open up the top and bottom to 1:78:1 to get a little more artwork.
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post #19 of 175
2/24/09 at 12:07pm
Looks like a huge upgrade to me. Double dip time.
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post #20 of 175
2/24/09 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Yeah, Jin-Roh had some nice grain too: http://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/foru...pic.php?t=4405

I'm pretty happy with this release overall, just wished they skipped the letterboxing, even if it is a tiny amount, and maybe open up the top and bottom to 1:78:1 to get a little more artwork.

Please don't mention Jin-Roh to me. I didn't buy it when it "came out" because it was so expensive. Now it is super-rare and goes for even more. I'm still kicking myself.
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post #21 of 175
2/24/09 at 1:02pm
The pics look EXTREMELY soft. I expected it to look nearly as good as the cel I used to own from the film. I'm going to wait for the inevitable remaster.
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post #22 of 175
2/24/09 at 1:48pm
i just got the movie and i was reading the book about the Hypersonic sound. most systems out there cant even play this formate but here is the info about it
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post #23 of 175
2/24/09 at 1:49pm
sorry have to post 1 more time to post a URL
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post #24 of 175
2/24/09 at 1:49pm
http://www.yamashirogumi.gr.jp/akira...u/index_e.html
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post #25 of 175
2/24/09 at 2:16pm
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Please don't mention Jin-Roh to me. I didn't buy it when it "came out" because it was so expensive. Now it is super-rare and goes for even more. I'm still kicking myself.

It's still available from dot-anime if you're in the US. Other than that there's also the Japanese re-release which is about the same price. Though no box or storyboard book.
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post #26 of 175
2/24/09 at 2:19pm
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The pics look EXTREMELY soft. I expected it to look nearly as good as the cel I used to own from the film. I'm going to wait for the inevitable remaster.

Agreed on the softness. Though since this was a new transfer I think you're going to be waiting a loooong time before it's redone (if ever).
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post #27 of 175
2/24/09 at 3:01pm
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The pics look EXTREMELY soft. I expected it to look nearly as good as the cel I used to own from the film. I'm going to wait for the inevitable remaster.

I gotta ask... which cel?

A good looking transfer will be directly related to the condition of the elements they have to work with, which I imagine were just so-so. Akira was NOT a success in Japan when it was initially released. I wonder how well it was cared for after it didn't even turn an initial profit?

Wouldn't it have been completely wonderful if they still had all the cels in mint condition in a vault somewhere, and redid the thing on computer by scanning instead of the degrading step of committing it to film? Oh well, one can dream. ^_^;

Picked this one up over the lunch hour... will spot check it tonight.
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post #28 of 175
2/24/09 at 3:16pm
Glad I'm not the only one that thinks it's soft. To me it does disappoint.
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post #29 of 175
2/24/09 at 3:27pm
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Glad I'm not the only one that thinks it's soft. To me it does disappoint.

Agreed. Looks VERY soft to my eyes....
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post #30 of 175
2/24/09 at 3:29pm
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Yay no more edge enhancement.

Boo! PQ is soft and lackluster/depressing colors.

They cleaned it up too much.

They botched it!

But what the hell can I do? AKIRA is my all-time fav anime. I have to buy the damn thing. ARGH!
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