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post #1231 of 6914
FYI
(from a different thread)

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QUOTE:hifi59
Consumer Reports latest Blu-ray ratings as of 8-4-09

1. Oppo BDP-83 Recommended
2. Panasonic BD80 Recommended
3. LG 390 Recommended
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post #1232 of 6914
Loving my BD390 right now. Signed up for my 5 free CinemaNow titles as well.

Is there any reason to register for Divx.com/vod?
post #1233 of 6914
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Originally Posted by misterthingy View Post

AVI files, yes; ISO no. VOB files yes; MKV no (but yes via usb or disc).

I have to disagree on the 'MKV no' - I streamed a couple 720p h.264 MKV's the day I bought the unit. Read my post on page 40 of this thread.

--Bill
post #1234 of 6914
Yep, a firmware update brought the ability to stream MKV. Now if LG could just address the sync issue with compressed files...
post #1235 of 6914
Can we find changelogs for the firmware upgrades somewhere (bd370)?
post #1236 of 6914
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Originally Posted by srinathalapati View Post

Thanks misterthingy. I suppose if I convert all the ISO images to VOBs, I should be all set, right?

One thing to note is that I was not able to fast forward through VOB files on the BD390 as I was with an mp4, etc.
post #1237 of 6914
OK, you guys, I checked out the YouTube links and Outsourced and there it was!!! A distinct lipsync problem. I did not have time (getting ready for work this morning) to check if fastforward or pause would help realign things, but it was definitely there.

Now, the question is whether some machines are more sensitive than others. As I said, my kids and/or I have watched probably 20 movies on Netflix since we got the 390 with no problems with any of them. And I have watched probably a dozen YouTube clips with no problems. And I have never had a problem with dixv or any flavor of avi. In fact, before being pointed to these specific clips, I was blissfully ignorant of the existence of any problem with my 390 at all.

What percentage of Netflix movies and YouTube clips do you guys have problems with? If it is 25% of them (very different from me) then I would say you have a serious complaint. For me, if I have this problem with one out of every 30 movies I watch, its a shrug and move on to the next movie.

One extra bit of information. With Outsourced, it was also having a hard time getting the stream. At first it wouldn't take HD, and scaled it back to SD, then when I fast forwarded to about 18 minutes, it was able to load the HD at first, then a couple of minutes later it had to reset at a lower quality. I am wondering if there is any connection between the two.

Another bit if information: I have not checked for any updates in the last few weeks, so I don't have that new update if it came out during that time.

So, as it is, I officially hate you guys for pointing this out! :0) I would have remained blissfully ignorant of any problem and very likely gone on without ever stumbling across the particular files my player has a problem with.
post #1238 of 6914
Vance14, please don't hate me too much for being the human truth meter that I am

And for another possible dose of grim reality...
I just PM'd you with a link to a Star Trek avi file that is a good example of the sync issue. If you possibly can, I'd appreciate if you could let me know how this file plays on your machine. On the 4 units I tested, the lip sync problem was obvious from the very first scene.
post #1239 of 6914
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Originally Posted by misterthingy View Post

Vance14, please don't hate me too much for being the human truth meter that I am

And for another possible dose of grim reality...
I just PM'd you with a link to a Star Trek avi file that is a good example of the sync issue. If you possibly can, I'd appreciate if you could let me know how this file plays on your machine. On the 4 units I tested, the lip sync problem was obvious from the very first scene.

I am fetching it now and will try it tonight. My question still is whether this is an absolute situation for you guys (with every avi or divx, for example, or every Netflix HD stream), or just occasional. If the latter, what is your rate of problems? I am most interested now in finding out whether the level of the problem is different for each unit (with some files being so bad that every unit would see it).
post #1240 of 6914
Thanks Vance14. In my case I've noticed the problem in many but not all YouTube videos, in every avi/divx and mkv file (but to varying degrees) and not at all with standard dvds and vob files. (No, I haven't yet tried a blu-ray disc in this blu-ray player)
post #1241 of 6914
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Originally Posted by misterthingy View Post

In my case I've noticed the problem in many but not all YouTube videos, in every avi/divx and mkv file (but to varying degrees) and not at all with standard dvds and vob files. (No, I haven't yet tried a blu-ray disc in this blu-ray player)

Ah, see, that is interesting. That confirms that the problem varies. We have watched about 7 or 8 full movies on MKV and a couple of divx movies with no problem whatsoever. I think it comes down to how "sensitive" each player is.
post #1242 of 6914
But my sync experiences remained consistent with all the players; I don't think there was really any sample-to-sample variation - only file-to-file variation.
post #1243 of 6914
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Originally Posted by atlantamoi View Post

Bought the 390 Monday and am enjoying it so far. But I'm a little concerned about slow loading times. I'm getting "Please Wait" flashing over and over when I turn it on. After 60 seconds it's still giving me that message. I'm wondering if a firmware update caused this because when I first plugged it in it was starting quickly.

Any ideas?

Well, I'm having to ship back the unit because it's taking forever for this "Please Wait" flashing to stop. Minutes. I know it should really only take about :10 seconds or so. I really like this player and will just swap for another one.

edit... I unplugged for 15 minutes and pressed the power button for 30 seconds while off. That was LGs suggestion, to no avail.
post #1244 of 6914
Got mine hooked up last night and very happy with the BD390. Netflix works great as does browsing CinemaNow. I even plugged in a USB Drive and watch an episode of Weeds. It may not be discussed here, but the BD390 connected wirelessly to my Apple Extreme router. Heard there was some Mac issues but that (thankfully) worked.

Has Pandora support been dropped? I don't see that mentioned anymore.
post #1245 of 6914
Hi Folks,
Got my BD390 at the end of June and love it thus far. No lip synch issues, picture quality excellent, Nero works OK with music and photos.

My only issue is playing my AVI files which were created from old 8 mm tapes using Roxio's VHS to DVD software. I recorded the videos at the highest resolution Roxio offered which is 720 x 480 resolution. I can play these AVI files on my laptop using Windows Media Player.

Nero sees the video files but when I try to play a file I get the message "Not Supported Video Codec". I have also tried attaching an NTFS drive to the USB which works fine for music and photos, but again I get the same "Not Supported Video Codec" when I try to play my AVI files.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated. I've got 270 AVI files of all my kids' sporting events which I'd love to be able to watch via the BD390.

Regards,
Peter
post #1246 of 6914
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Originally Posted by Peter Reed View Post

Any suggestions greatly appreciated. I've got 270 AVI files of all my kids' sporting events which I'd love to be able to watch via the BD390.

You will have to convert them using one of codecs supported by 390, see a manual for a list. Or use one of media servers, e.g., TVersity, to transcode them on the fly. In the first case it's a lot of work, in the second - you have to have a computer running. Or you could buy the full version of Nero to transcode.
post #1247 of 6914
Thanks. I was afraid of that. I saw postings where people said they were playing AVI files OK, so I was hoping it was a setup problem on my part. Are there different kinds of AVI files?

Do you have a recommendation as to Nero vs TVersity? No problem having my computer running when I want to watch the videos.

Thanks again.

Peter
post #1248 of 6914
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Originally Posted by Peter Reed View Post

Thanks. I was afraid of that. I saw postings where people said they were playing AVI files OK, so I was hoping it was a setup problem on my part. Are there different kinds of AVI files?

Do you have a recommendation as to Nero vs TVersity? No problem having my computer running when I want to watch the videos.

Thanks again.

Peter

I am just learning about all of this as well, but there is a difference between a codec and a container. There are different types of avi files, and I actually thought all avi's worked on the BD390. All of them that I have tried have worked. You might do a little reading on Wikipedia on avi, video codec and container just to get a basic overview, then you will know exactly what type of avi's you have. I am working on this because I am about the convert a lot of older home videos to digital and I want to make sure to make the right codec and container choices.
post #1249 of 6914
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Originally Posted by Peter Reed View Post

Are there different kinds of AVI files?

Do you have a recommendation as to Nero vs TVersity? No problem having my computer running when I want to watch the videos.

AVI is so called "container". There are number of different codecs can be used within container, at least couple dozens today. Originally, Microsoft supplied a few of them. Most of them never made it into standalone media players.
TVersity is open source, it's free. But there is nobody in particular to complain in case you have a problem.
Nero is not expensive and you don't need to buy a full version I believe, just an upgrade, like $32.00. Nero's staff is usually very knowledgeable. Nero also has a software to convert files.
post #1250 of 6914
Roxio was highly rated, so that's why I went with it. My philosophy was to convert my old 8 mm tapes at the highest resolution and quality. These are big AVI files (about 225 MB per minute of video) and they can always be converted to a more compressed format. BUT, if you capture at a lower quality level, you can not go back to a higher quality!!!!

Disk drives are cheap, so I went with the full monty approach on the capture. My kids can decide what to do with them in the future (they are both geeks). The AVI files play great with Windows Media Player, so the transcorders definitely exist to play them. My wife and I would like to view them on our big screen - hence the search to make them play through the BD390.

My guess is the full up version of Nero will do the transcoding on the fly. From what I've read TVersity is fairly complicated, so I'll probably just spend the $30+ and upgrade Nero. I'll post another message on whether this works.
post #1251 of 6914
Can i watch hulu on my laptop and hook it up to the oppo via usb cable and watch it on my hdtv?
post #1252 of 6914
Per my earlier comments I could not get the BD390 to play my AVI files created with Roxio's VHS to DVD software. I created the AVI files with the highest quality rating which was 720 x 480 resolution with approx 225 MB per minute of video.

The MediaHome 4 Essentials which ships with the BD390 gave me an error of "Not Supported Video Codec" when I tried to play these AVI files.

I upgraded to the full version of the MediaHome 4 product and now I can play the AVI files on the BD390. Video and audio quality is excellent. In order to get it to work I had to select MP3 for audio and MPEG-2 for video in the transcoding selections which are compatible with the BD390 per page 48 of the BD390 manual.

I'm a happy camper now. Blu-ray flics plays great on the unit and now I have all my music, photos, and video streaming to the BD390.

Peter
post #1253 of 6914
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Originally Posted by philly_kid View Post

Can i watch hulu on my laptop and hook it up to the oppo via usb cable and watch it on my hdtv?

I guess you want to watch Hulu on TV using laptop. There are a few options. First, every laptop has VGA output. Many HDTVs have VGA input. Second, many laptops have HDMI output and HDTVs have HDMI input(s). Third, when laptop does not have HDMI output and HDTV does not have VGA input, you need to buy VGA-HDMI adapter. In any case, you need to connect laptop audio output (speakers) to audio inputs of your choice - TV or AV receiver.
post #1254 of 6914
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Originally Posted by misterthingy View Post

But my sync experiences remained consistent with all the players; I don't think there was really any sample-to-sample variation - only file-to-file variation.

That Menagerie had sync problems for me as well. What I should do is send over to you an avi file that works fine for me and see how your player takes it. It would be interesting to pin down whether the players are handling files differently or whether it is simply that the majority of files you are using are the ones the 390 has problems with and the ones I am using are the ones it does not.
post #1255 of 6914
Thanks for checking, Vance 14. I think we do now have this pinned down. Since you found the sync problem in my file but not in your files it demonstrates 2 things:

1. Your analysis is trustworthy
2. Some avi files have the problem and some do not.

I can only tell you that nearly 100% (but not all) of my avi files exhibit the sync problem, some much worse than others but the same across all 390s that I've tried.
post #1256 of 6914
I only have 1 issue with this player. I used Nero and burnt an .mkv file (Movie) on a dual layer DVD
When playing it back on this player, occationally the picture freezes. Sometimes the audio drops out at the same time, sometimes the audio continues so the player drops frames to compensate. Are any of you having the same problems or should I exchange the player. I would rather not exchange the player because I am NOT having any lip sync issues. By the way has anyone purchased a 390 that was built in July?
post #1257 of 6914
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Originally Posted by misterthingy View Post

Thanks for checking, Vance 14. I think we do now have this pinned down. Since you found the sync problem in my file but not in your files it demonstrates 2 things:

1. Your analysis is trustworthy
2. Some avi files have the problem and some do not.

I can only tell you that nearly 100% (but not all) of my avi files exhibit the sync problem, some much worse than others but the same across all 390s that I've tried.

I think that is right, there are just some files that the 390 has problems with rather than certain 390's having the problem and not others. While it is odd that you have more of those problem files than I do, coincidences do happen. I checked through a variety of avi's that I have (some divx and most xvid) and did find one that had minor sync problems if I watched closely, but not like that Star Trek. Most of the avi's had no problem. I wish I could get more granular and report how, exactly, I created the avi's, but I did not make the avi's, but got them via "publicly available sources". The ones I checked were a Tudors episode, Pride and Prejudice (2005), TNT's "David" and "Jeremiah", all with no problems. I checked an episode of John Adams, and I could see a slight sync problem there, but sometimes it was not noticeable. None of my mkv's have any problem at all (we have watched about 8 or 9 movies on mkv).

I think I have just been luckier in my files than you. Or, if you are creating your avi's, maybe it is something in your settings that is giving you the higher rate of issues.
post #1258 of 6914
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Originally Posted by randello54 View Post

I only have 1 issue with this player. I used Nero and burnt an .mkv file (Movie) on a dual layer DVD
When playing it back on this player, occationally the picture freezes. Sometimes the audio drops out at the same time, sometimes the audio continues so the player drops frames to compensate. Are any of you having the same problems or should I exchange the player. I would rather not exchange the player because I am NOT having any lip sync issues. By the way has anyone purchased a 390 that was built in July?

Before exchanging it, I would experiment a bit more and see whether it was a bad transfer, etc. I have not tried burning anything on to a disc and playing it. Instead, I found it more convenient to buy a 500GB Free Agent drive and copy all of my movies to that. My mkv's play flawlessly that way.
post #1259 of 6914
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Originally Posted by randello54 View Post

When playing it back on this player, occationally the picture freezes.

That's disturbing. I noticed a similar behavior while watching Netflix yesterday night. On one hand, my issue might be totally unrelated to yours, e.g., there was a temporary problem with my Internet connection. On the other hand, there was something else I've seen for the first time: in a quality meter all bars were lit and it had "HD" in it. It was an episode of Lost, which recorded in HD. It makes me think that the player might be underpowered and it got overwhelmed with incoming information. I guess you recorded your movie with high quality settings. Would you try to re-record the movie with lower settings or just re-burn it?
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Originally Posted by ptsenter View Post

That's disturbing. I noticed a similar behavior while watching Netflix yesterday night. On one hand, my issue might be totally unrelated to yours, e.g., there was a temporary problem with my Internet connection. On the other hand, there was something else I've seen for the first time: in a quality meter all bars were lit and it had "HD" in it. It was an episode of Lost, which recorded in HD. It makes me think that the player might be underpowered and it got overwhelmed with incoming information. I guess you recorded your movie with high quality settings. Would you try to re-record the movie with lower settings or just re-burn it?

Your issue with the Netflix is something I experienced as well with one of the new HD streams (Legend of the Seeker my son was watching). Those HD streams require a pretty "big pipe" and if your internet download capability is not fast enough consistently, it will simply pause the stream, reset and bump back the quality to match your throughput. So, rather than it being what the player can handle, it is a matter of what your internet can handle or, in the case of streaming movies from your computer, what your network can handle.

Now, with Netflix, since it is simply a matter of the time it takes to fill up the buffer and the size of that buffer, I would rather that the player increase the time it allows for filling the buffer and increase the buffer size if need be, than decrease the quality. I don't mind the wait for the better quality. Or at least we should have the option as to which of those two we prefer (speed v. quality).
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