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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

+1 I just roll my eyes when I read that stuff, and the writer's credibility takes a pretty substantial nosedive.....

To zero.
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Originally Posted by dyslexic View Post

wmcclain:

Did you use DVD Shrink 3.2 to re-author the files? Just copying the VTS files isn't good enough.....

What files? The DVD files where I never see the "._VTS" prefix? They are not on any DVD I've ever seen, even without copying.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

Hey, the publication's name does start with Audiophile!!!

Do not even go there! Not all of us who have come to define ourselves as audiophiles due to a love of music, and wanting a system to reproduce it as accurately as possible are deluded, insane, or as was previously posted "not human" (thanks rdgrimes - I still find that hilarious!).
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What about it?


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The 7.1 analog outputs on my still not completely broken in unit is excellent, matching the sound I've been getting from my $6000 list Esoteric DV-60 DVD/SACD player. Although I could not do instant evaluation of both, having only one multi-channel input on my pre-pro, the OPPO and Esoteric units were so close as to be indistinguishable to me.

I have a very hard time believing statements like these.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

HDMI audio can be either bitstream or PCM according to your needs. Never any need to turn it off.

SACD should be set to PCM any time you wish to use analog outs, and can be left at PCM all the time with no loss of quality.

All this is covered in the FAQ and manual.

Per the FAQs, you can set SACD to DSD and the analog outs work by getting the signal converted directly to analog from DSD. You just don't get any of the Bass Management/Delay processing as that needs to be converted to PCM first.
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Originally Posted by dsok View Post

Do not even go there!....

But, do you need to include Pet Rocks as your badge of honor in your system? Doubtful! We wouldn't be on this Forum if we didn't consider being -philes of some sort, but cable feet aren't a priority for many of us!
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Nice review...

I could have done without this, however:

"...Walker discs and Shakti stones on top, sitting on a thick MSB isolation plate; while the BDP-83 was only on an MSB plate with simple carbon fiber feet"

That kind of ruined the review for me. Anyone who believes that putting stones on their gear will improve audio quality, has lost most/all credibility with me. I won't even comment on the other snake oil BS

This is all wrong! To get the total effect videophiles, you need to place them on your display/projector. The clarity of the the picture at 480i will blow 1080p away .
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

First notion of a forthcoming review of the player in Secrets Home Theater:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-r...ay-player.html

Has anyone noticed that their review BDP-83 has a newer firmware version than the current one? Theirs is BDP83-23-0512T, however the Loader Version and Sub Version remain unchanged
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

Not making any claims, but this puts it in the same ballpark as the D2 issue. Multi-channel PCM -> analog conversion. I don't think you mentioned this in your first post (using analog out). There's a ton of bits being moved at a high rate and any signal integrity issues could show up as "pops/cracks" on the analog side.

You try 2-ch yet?

larry

OK, I've had a chance to play around with this some more and it gets wierd:

1. I continue to get these 'soft pops' on multi-channel SACDs played through the 5.1 analog output of the Oppo (thru all of the speakers).
2. Switching between DSD and PCM in the SACD menu makes no difference.
3. If I unplug the HDMI cable from the back of the unit, 'soft pops' go away ; plug HDMI cable back in and they return.
4. With 2-channel SACDs I do not get 'soft pops' at all - regardless of whether HDMI cable is plugged in or not.

So, even though I am not using HDMI to carry audio to my Meridian 861, it does appear as if HDMI is mucking things up somehow.

Most frustrating!
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i posted a few pages back about having EE at -13 and DE at -5. To add to it, I DO have my projector's Edge Enhancement at the lowest it will go (-5....it goes -5 to +5). I think of my self as a bit of a videophile, and my previous player had the awesome (but for those wondering, not as awesome as this player) HQV chip. So I KNOW what good upconversion looks like, but to achieve a great picture here, I had to lower those settings quite a bit. It still looks AMAZING, and as I said above, BETTER than my Samsung BD-P1200 player with the quite capable HQV chip.

Has anyone tried the Standard Def DVD of The Departed? That DVD got good video quality in its reviews, and if you fudge the pic settings AT ALL it will show (watch the opening scenes with the boy in the shop, add enhancement and his freckles become a moving mess!). That movie helped me notice the video problems. I have since watched several other movies and they look great now.
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Originally Posted by ca1ore View Post

OK, I've had a chance to play around with this some more and it gets wierd:

1. I continue to get these 'soft pops' on multi-channel SACDs played through the 5.1 analog output of the Oppo (thru all of the speakers).
2. Switching between DSD and PCM in the SACD menu makes no difference.
3. If I unplug the HDMI cable from the back of the unit, 'soft pops' go away ; plug HDMI cable back in and they return.
4. With 2-channel SACDs I do not get 'soft pops' at all - regardless of whether HDMI cable is plugged in or not.

So, even though I am not using HDMI to carry audio to my Meridian 861, it does appear as if HDMI is mucking things up somehow.

Most frustrating!

Good job. I'd sent that to Oppo in case they don't have all the data you gathered. Without knowing the board layout and such, it's not much use speculating.

larry
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Originally Posted by David_AD View Post

Has anyone noticed that their review BDP-83 has a newer firmware version than the current one? Theirs is BDP83-23-0512T, however the Loader Version and Sub Version remain unchanged

I'll share a little beta tester secret - notice the "T" at the end of that number? That denotes test firmware.
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Originally Posted by David_AD View Post

Has anyone noticed that their review BDP-83 has a newer firmware version than the current one? Theirs is BDP83-23-0512T, however the Loader Version and Sub Version remain unchanged

I noticed that too.
I wonder when this new version is going to be released.
Neuro?????
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Are we suppose to be receiving the Blu-ray audio-only sampler from the Norwegian label 2L?

In reading the review:

"Video Evaluation

...The player is also supplied with two terrific Blu-ray commercial test discs. One is the Blu-ray audio-only sampler from the Norwegian label 2L - the only label so far promoting the concept for audio-only Blu-rays. The other is the Spears & Munsil Blu-ray Edition of their High-Definition Benchmark disc which is subtitled Hand Forged Video. "

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

While we are posting links to reviews, I just noticed that John Sunier just posted a review over at Audiophile Audition.
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Originally Posted by butchgo View Post

I wonder when this new version is going to be released.

We test many firmware well before a new official firmware is created and released. I have not heard of any release time frames for new firmware.
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Originally Posted by sblasl View Post

Are we suppose to be receiving the Blu-ray audio-only sampler from the Norwegian label 2L?

No. Likely the reviewer received the disc to help evaluate the performance of the BDP-83.

Us "normal" customers only get the Spears & Munsil disc.
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

50" 1080p plasma at between 9-10', and definitely old glasses aided eyesight that explains a lot!

Guess I'm forgetting how lucky I am to still have 20/20 without glasses, that can make all the difference I suppose. Or am I unlucky because now I can't resist the upgrade?

I'm probably viewing at ~1.5 screen ratio with 1080i, but find I can still appreciate the difference from at least 3.0 (on a 32" LCD at 720p), wonder how long that will last...

About time for me to go 1080p!
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did anyone else get a second invitation to purchase the player again?
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Originally Posted by dp3dp View Post

did anyone else get a second invitation to purchase the player again?

Yes, because for some reason I was in the list twice -- March and then late April. I sent them an email asking that the second one be sold to someone else.
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

...Or am I unlucky because now I can't resist the upgrade?....

Upgrade to wisened, older, experienced guy that needs glasses to navigate life's choices??? Have fun while it lasts!
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Originally Posted by ca1ore View Post

...So, even though I am not using HDMI to carry audio to my Meridian 861, it does appear as if HDMI is mucking things up somehow....

This is a very interesting discovery within your system, but it sounds like it could be very difficult to diagnose without the exact setup. Glad you kept working on the possibilities!
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

Then you shouldn't use the 24fps option if your panel converts back to 60Hz...it's an unnecessary processing step, and won't give you any benefit. I haven't toggled between the two, but I've set everything to 24fps and my Pioneer correctly handles frame rate on BluRay and DVD. I'm not sure what the benefit is, but the picture is nice!

I don't... I was just playing with the feature to see if it worked properly (since if it did, I'd see essentially what I was seeing), but I noticed it was stuttering enough to be noticeable.

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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

The combing probably is related to you forcing 24p for DVD's. Some DVD's will be correctly edited, some will not. Don't blame the Oppo. This will not be the first nor the last time I say this: 24p for DVD's is the worst "feature" ever and I don't know why CE manufacturers even bother. They're just opening themselves up to blame.

I am pretty sure I had 24p off, since it doesn't do me any good. I'll check for sure tonight.

I can't remember if it's only showing up on DVDs or not. It wasn't a huge deal to me, so I didn't make notes -- since I seem to be alone on noticing this, I suppose I'll look into it a bit deeper.
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

What about it?




I have a very hard time believing statements like these.

TBH, I would be more inclined to think someone who owns a $6k SACD deck would be much quicker to dismiss the Oppo's performance than to compare it favorably to his expensive player.

*shrug*
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I recently purchased an Oppo BDP83. I have a History Channel DVD of the Grand Canyon that plays with a thick line that is pixelated at the top of the screen and the audio skips. I can play the same DVD on my Toshiba HD-A35 and my Panasonic DMP-BD35 and it plays perfectly. The History Channel Cat No. is AAE-71055 and the ISBN 0-7670-5830-5. I cleaned the disc but it didn't help.
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I just hooked my Bd83 to a netgear fs105 switch. It detected the network settings now everything works great.
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Originally Posted by dalegg View Post

...I have a History Channel DVD of the Grand Canyon that plays with a thick line that is pixelated at the top of the screen and the audio skips....

Be sure that the 24fps option is turned off as this is probably a video instead of film presentation.

DSOK, will a Goldendoodle help out? And, Prog, thanks for the reference link for those younger folks!
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

Try switching the Audyssey curve from Flat to Reference and see if that helps. The Reference curve is meant to soften the high frequencies to make the dialog portion more clear, but it may also help with the low frequency booms. I've found that certain discs have a bit hotter LFE mix for whatever reason and it sometimes gets a bit distracting. Valkyrie rattled my house everytime they rolled the Trimotor across the screen!

Thanks for the tip, I will try that tonight. We've watched several movies on the Oppo with this issue but, just as you mention, it was VALKYRIE that motivated me to research this a bit more....sheesh!
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

Good job. I'd sent that to Oppo in case they don't have all the data you gathered. Without knowing the board layout and such, it's not much use speculating.larry

Yes, I did already. Although as I was typing it I thought to myself that it all seems so wonky that Oppo will think I've blown a brain gasket.
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Originally Posted by dsok View Post

Back to the point...Actually I have found that wrapping cables with Member's Mark bathroom tissue from Sams Club beats all the premium brands

Only if you wrap it in a counter clockwise rotation, to offset the electrical eddy-current produced by electrons skidding along the wire. Clockwise wrapping reinforces the harmonic discord and allows the current to backwash into an electron tidal basin. Everyone knows what that will do to destroy the open air of sonic spaciousness. Premium toilet tissue can be wrapped in either direction, due to the lotion infused in the fiber, which permits free movement of electrons.
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