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post #13021 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Paul.R.S View Post

I was told doing so involves new "parts" (the faceplate with that silkscreen already affixed) and therefore would be no sooner than the exhaustion of the then-current production run and perhaps as late as "several months" into the future.

It sounds like their sales may be doing well if they are into a batch of new face plates so soon.

This is the first thread I've ever been in where the company beat the expectations that their support staff was trying to maintain, and then got criticized for it.
post #13022 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Paul.R.S View Post

Can we please stop the belittling of the logo concern and/or those who raised this issue with Oppo?

It may or may not have some legal bearing WRT licensing. Whether the deck sports a logo that references DVD-Audio or not may have bearing on whether Oppo can unequivocally claim that the player plays the DVD-A format, or continue to semingly have the position that that format's playback is gravy hastily added late in the game, only referred to on paper in an addendum to the manual (that apparently some folks didn't receive), and therefore isn't really a feature of the deck.

If it sports the logo and the entity that licenses the use of that logo (the DVD Forum?) mandates spec compliance in order for a CE manuf to use it, then it would seemingly be Oppo's position that any continued disc-specific glitches are authoring issues. The content providers/record labels might have a different opinion on that.

Those of us with a significant number of DVD-A titles / who remember the playback problems with many WMG DVD-A titles such as Seal IV and various Neil Young albums / wanting the player to be a genuine universal deck might care a bit more about this issue than others mainly focused on BD performance and shouldn't be poo poo'd as whiners or lacking perspective on what's important in someone else's opinion.

Have you been reading this thread??? If you have been, it should be pretty clear that 1) Oppo fully intends to have DVD-Audio work properly, 2) DVD-Audio is still a work in progress, 3) Oppo didn't want to officially list DVD-Audio as a feature until they were sure it was something they could actually deliver, and 4) a silk-screened logo is FAR, FAR, FAR less important than the hardware and firmware that are in the player.

There's a big difference between wanting DVD-Audio working properly and whining (yes, whining) about whether the logo is silk-screened on the front panel. I'd gladly take a fully functioning player without the silk-screen logos as I won't be looking at those logos while I watch a movie or listen to music.
post #13023 of 39277
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

This is the first thread I've ever been in where the company beat the expectations that their support staff was trying to maintain, and then got criticized for it.

Apparently people feel compelled to complain about something . I guess it's better that people are complaining about something superficial like silk-screened logos instead of something important .
post #13024 of 39277
i wish mine didn't have ANY logos....

geez people...
post #13025 of 39277
Was feeling really good about my Oppo player yesterday after posting my initial audition results.

Today is a different story as my player suffered a complete freeze up and then continued to malfunction while playing "An American Carol" blu-ray movie.

I know what your thinking, bad movie or firmware issue, but not the case. Will explain further on.

The first chapter was when it completely froze up and required me to power the unit off, as it was completely unresponsive.

Next I powered the unit back on and reloaded the movie.

It began playing but the picture was not displayed properly, with a very slight jerking motion similar to a very slow fast forward.

The audio was being reproduced correctly, but the picture was not right at all.
At this point I stopped the movie and ejected it.

Put in a different movie "Things We Lost in the Fire" blu-ray and same thing started happening!!!

I wasn't feeling very good at this moment, and my confidence in this player started diminishing rapidly.

I then ejected this movie and did a complete power off and removed the power plug.

After powering the player back on I noticed some strange behavior in the setup menu as well.

Some my settings were changed and my DVD-Audio selection was now grayed out.
Was starting to wonder if it was going to pull a HAL 9000 on me.

Some of the other menu changes included 1080p selection was changed to auto, 24 setting was now off, and my BD live setting was turned off.

Powered the unit off and on again, and now my DVD-Audio selection was now white again.

Made all the selection changes back to how I originally had it setup and tried it again with a different blu-ray movie.

This time it was working properly again and the picture was correctly displayed.

Put both of the offending movies in my Panasonic BD80 and they played fine, so it is not a case of bad movie disc's.

Also for the heck of it, I tried both of these movies again today in the Oppo and they both played fine.

Now I am left wondering what happened, and will it happen again?

My player has only been operational for 2 days, so it's sure going to have to play all the rest of my blu-rays without incident, for me to feel confident about it's reliability factor.

Also to address any firmware issues, my player is network connected, and says the latest firmware is installed.

Will be contacting Oppo tomorrow and report this incident.
post #13026 of 39277
There's bound to be issues with some people and on certain discs. The player is still pre-birth really, as it's not even available to the general public yet. Now that I've had my player for a little while, after reporting the silly 'angle icon' issue on the Star Trek Season 1 Blu-ray set, that was my only real issue. I had a slight sync thing going on with a receiver, but it's the receiver at fault, and I know it for a fact. This player is amazing, and it will only get better over time. Oppo really outdid themselves providing THE best SD DVD performance player, as well as undeniably the best stand-alone Blu-ray player on the market thus far that isn't a PS3. I'm really glad I waited. I was tempted many times to buy something else, but I stuck it out.
post #13027 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Brian A View Post

Well, I tried changing every possible audio option in the player setup menu, and I could get the subwoofer trim error to repeat every time no matter the combination. I have a hard time believing this problem exists only in my player, as everything else seems to work perfectly. Can anybody else using the analog multi-channel outputs verify that the subwoofer trim is reset to 0 dB internally every time the player is power cycled? I use an "LFE only" test tone to simplify the measurement.

Brian the exact same thing is happening on my player too; SW trim reverts back to -0- db even though it shows my plus 10 setting after powerdown; once I change the trim setting a half db down it reverts back same as your player. I e-mailed Oppo about this and hope they will eventually fix the SW trim level reset, this should not be happening.

Michael
post #13028 of 39277
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Originally Posted by seattlemike View Post

Brian the exact same thing is happening on my player too; SW trim reverts back to -0- db even though it shows my plus 10 setting after powerdown; once I change the trim setting a half db down it reverts back same as your player. I e-mailed Oppo about this and hope they will eventually fix the SW trim level reset, this should not be happening.

Michael

Ideally the SW trim should be left at 0 and taken care of further downstream in the AVR or in the sub itself. Increasing the SW trim and/or decreasing the other channel trims can induce clipping.
post #13029 of 39277
JJXBR,
It could be a bigger problem, who knows... but all of your problems could have stemmed from a dirty lens. A tiny piece of lint/dust could have caused all of those problems.
Also, was anyone "playing" with the remote? By holding or pressing certain buttons, your video settings may have inadvertently been changed. Sometimes when a player freezes up, users tend to hit other buttons just to see if they work. Just becuse it "appears" those buttons did nothing, that very well could have done something.
Like change the resolution for one .
When there is a discs IN the player, the DVD AUDIO/VIDEO option is greyed out in the menu. Again, this could have been caused by debris on the lens, with the player being confused that a disc is in the player.
BD-Live may have been inadvertently turned off earlier, but not realized.
Many times I change settings, and forget till I come across them again and say "oops, I forgot to change it back".
So there could be lots of possibilities here, to which I am just offering some speculatory guesses. Hopfully it'll all work out for you so you can continue to enjoy your player.
post #13030 of 39277
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

i wish mine didn't have any logos....

geez people...

+1!
post #13031 of 39277
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

Ideally the SW trim should be left at 0 and taken care of further downstream in the AVR or in the sub itself. Increasing the SW trim and/or decreasing the other channel trims can induce clipping.

Then I ask; Why is the option available in the first place?!?
post #13032 of 39277
As previously reported in post #12998, Brothers in Arms DVD-A has a repeatable problem. Going from track 4 to 5 drops the audio. Hitting backskip once to get to the beginning of track 5 restores audio. Also, after finishing track 9 (last one), the player locks up. Have to power down. Powering up by opening the tray then closing it returns to normal.

Elvis 30 #1 Hits DVD-A (yes, I'm an old Elvis fan) has a serious problem. The disc starts playing the 6 bonus tracks. There is no way to access the main 30 hits group. Tried all the menu, angle, audio, and skip buttons - nada. If no one here comes up with a solution, I'll forward these comments to OPPO. This was not a problem on my Pioneer 588.
post #13033 of 39277
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the reply.
Nobody else was at the remote control at the time except me.
I definitely didn't press any wrong buttons or change any of my settings prior to this happening.
It would seem a piece of dust is very unlikely as I am super anal about keeping my equipment and disc's clean.
I have multiple air filters running in my HT room, and clean all my disc's with compressed air prior to loading.
Hopefully this was just some one of a kind fluke and won't happen again.
post #13034 of 39277
I recieved an email from Oppo about the AAC corruption.

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AAC is supported. However, some AAC files will cause the player to decode the audio at 38KHz, rather then the standard 44.1 or 48KHz. This will result in corrupted audio, particularly with voices being off pitch and everything sounding very thin and veiled).

Vorbis is not supported. We are working with out decoder manufacturer to enable more audio container support, but at this time they have not been able to introduce additional codec support such as Vorbis.

Best Regards,
post #13035 of 39277
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

Ideally the SW trim should be left at 0 and taken care of further downstream in the AVR or in the sub itself. Increasing the SW trim and/or decreasing the other channel trims can induce clipping.

I have the Pioneer elite VXS-82 1.2a receiver, I use HDMI for my Dish DVR with The receiver doing the MACC management. For the player I want to use the multi-channed analog for the sound, now the receiver has a 10db boost option for this setting but it does't work and I do not live in an area where I can get service for a firmware update to fix this problem so I am left with turning the subwoofer gain up but only so far as not too ruin my MACC settings on the digital end of my receiver. I am at a-10DB on the sub setting right now on the receiver and cannot add any more gain which leaves me at my last option to use trim levels on the player which at plus 9.5 or 10 DB gives me bass I need using a sound meter to ajust the trim levels. Both the digital and analog seem to work ok for me using this approach other then the SW trim level going back down to -0- on powerdown.

Michael
post #13036 of 39277
Is there any way to dim the standard Oppo Logo screen? The WHITE "Oppo" is causing image retention problems on my brand new Pioneer KRP-600M. I'm watching it of course to make sure that I don't leave it up too long and I'm sure this won't be an issue after a few hundred hours on the panel but right now with something like 24 hours on the panel I see an "Oppo" retained dark area for 20 seconds after only a few seconds of displaying the "Oppo" logo. Another option might be the ability to set the screen saver timeout period to a much shorter period ...

Casey
post #13037 of 39277
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Originally Posted by seattlemike View Post

I have the Pioneer elite VXS-82 1.2a receiver, I use HDMI for my Dish DVR with The receiver doing the MACC management. For the player I want to use the multi-channed analog for the sound, now the receiver has a 10db boost option for this setting but it does't work and I do not live in an area where I can get service for a firmware update to fix this problem so I am left with turning the subwoofer gain up but only so far as not too ruin my MACC settings on the digital end of my receiver. I am at a-10DB on the sub setting right now on the receiver and cannot add any more gain which leaves me at my last option to use trim levels on the player which at plus 9.5 or 10 DB gives me bass I need using a sound meter to ajust the trim levels. Both the digital and analog seem to work ok for me using this approach other then the SW trim level going back down to -0- on powerdown.

Michael

You could increase the subwoofer volume for the multichannel and then decrease the setting for your digital sources (ie. manual MCACC adjustment).
Of course this assumes you have an SPL meter and know what you're doing.
post #13038 of 39277
*second time posting this...got skipped over first time...sorry to repost..

Alright so i need some help with my setup in order to get the best picture and audio quality. I have sonys xbr4 tv and their HT-7100DH HTIB which is only HDMI passthrough (which was a horrible idea whoever came up with that concept). What is the best way for me to connect my BDP-83 to my system without suffering too much from the fact that my receiver is only passthrough capable? I also dont want to let the receiver do any video upconversion because i know the capabilities of the player far surpass those of the receiver! btw the speakers are 5.1..could i do hdmi->TV and optical audio->receiver? or coax? or hdmi&optical->receiver and hdmi->tv?

Also could someone explain bitstreaming/pcm further since my receiver will not decode the more advanced codecs? What settings should i use to get the best audio possible with my current equipment? (i obviously want the bdp83 to do as much of the decoding and upconversion as possible)

Thanks guys!
post #13039 of 39277
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

You could increase the subwoofer volume for the multichannel and then decrease the setting for your digital sources (ie. manual MCACC adjustment).
Of course this assumes you have an SPL meter and know what you're doing.





thanks for the advice EWL5, I'll study the manual and see if I feel comfortabe tying that as we are playing with pretty high gain volume here (3/4 volume on sub) and dont want to damage anything.

thanks

Michael
post #13040 of 39277
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I don't recall any. The video is just passing through. I would check cables and ports for defects. HDMI cables do not have tight possitive lock connections so that's also a possibility.

Thanks. I checked the HDMI connections, even swapped out the cables. I'm thinking that the HDMI out connection on the receiver may be bad. I never had to use it before, because my previous TV in the living room didn't have HDMI inputs. The receiver was a refurbished model. Maybe that's why it was returned in the first place.

In the meantime, I was able to solve the sync problem by adjusting the AV timing setting in the Oppo. I will just run a digiital coax cable from the Oppo to the receiver (in addition to the multichannel analog) for use with everything except Dolby TrueHD.
post #13041 of 39277
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

It sounds like their sales may be doing well if they are into a batch of new face plates so soon.

This is the first thread I've ever been in where the company beat the expectations that their support staff was trying to maintain, and then got criticized for it.

Did they beat expectations? Or was the information provided recently just plain inaccurate?

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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Have you been reading this thread??? If you have been, it should be pretty clear that 1) Oppo fully intends to have DVD-Audio work properly, 2) DVD-Audio is still a work in progress, 3) Oppo didn't want to officially list DVD-Audio as a feature until they were sure it was something they could actually deliver, and 4) a silk-screened logo is FAR, FAR, FAR less important than the hardware and firmware that are in the player.

There's a big difference between wanting DVD-Audio working properly and whining (yes, whining) about whether the logo is silk-screened on the front panel. I'd gladly take a fully functioning player without the silk-screen logos as I won't be looking at those logos while I watch a movie or listen to music.

Kindly go back and re-read my comments about licensure and the possible relationship between the presence of the logo and "DVD-Audio work[ing] properly." They very well may be related and you're dichotomizing the two, problematically so IMO.

The logo has appeared yet there are still numerous anecdotal reports of people having issues with discs in a decade-old format (with players presumably all on the same fw build). My point in the post you quoted is that this is more important to some than others, and neither the former camp nor their reasonable concerns should be derided. Condescendingly reducing the issue to "whining" about the presence or absence of a logo when the real issue is whether I can confidently expect the deck to play my entire DVD-A collection may facilitate your disrespectful, rhetorical dismissal of the matter, but it doesn't make the technical concern go away for some prospective buyers.
post #13042 of 39277
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Originally Posted by mzupeman View Post

There's bound to be issues with some people and on certain discs. The player is still pre-birth really, as it's not even available to the general public yet. . . .

My understanding from Oppo e-mail is that general pubic sales were to begin May 18. Is that (also) not true?
post #13043 of 39277
I am perhaps fortunate. All my gear is HDMI 1.3a. I have had no setup problems whatsoever. It was a breeze, with considerable help from the FAQ. I have played a fair number of different media, except DVD-A. Everything is pefect for me except the following:

1. the AVCHD Blu-ray problem, which has affected only the first 1:30 of one disc. Oppo has my disc and said it will be fixed in firmware in the near future.

2. the SACD occasional soft "pop" problem, which Oppo has not yet committed to fixing in firmware

Everything else looks and sounds really great. For my needs, it's near perfect now. No freezes, no lip synch issues, no bass management problems, no power cord looseness, no logo problems, etc., etc. Once Oppo gets these two small issues above resolved, for me it is the ideal player and totally as advertised. In spite of the slight popping, it sounds much better on SACD than my 980 via HDMI. So, I prefer using it over the 980.
post #13044 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Paul.R.S View Post

My understanding from Oppo e-mail is that general pubic sales were to begin May 18. Is that (also) not true?

Well the status on their website still says 'coming soon'. May 18th was an estimate date, and was something that wasn't solidified. Nothing ever is with Oppo until it happens.
post #13045 of 39277
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Originally Posted by bkmerrill View Post

*second time posting this...got skipped over first time...sorry to repost..

Alright so i need some help with my setup in order to get the best picture and audio quality. I have sonys xbr4 tv and their HT-7100DH HTIB which is only HDMI passthrough (which was a horrible idea whoever came up with that concept). What is the best way for me to connect my BDP-83 to my system without suffering too much from the fact that my receiver is only passthrough capable? I also dont want to let the receiver do any video upconversion because i know the capabilities of the player far surpass those of the receiver! btw the speakers are 5.1..could i do hdmi->TV and optical audio->receiver? or coax? or hdmi&optical->receiver and hdmi->tv?

Also could someone explain bitstreaming/pcm further since my receiver will not decode the more advanced codecs? What settings should i use to get the best audio possible with my current equipment? (i obviously want the bdp83 to do as much of the decoding and upconversion as possible)

Thanks guys!

I'll take a wild stab at this and suggest you hookup an optical connection from the 83 to the receiver for your audio(you may have to purchase a optical cable as I doubt one came with your HTIB) and then send the video by HDMI to the receiver and then another HDMI cable from the receiver to the XBR4. You could also just run the HDMI directly from the 83 to the XBR4 which ever you find easier. This will give you audio similar to what you get from DVDs but will not be as good as the lossless or PCM sound that Blu-ray is capable of providing.
post #13046 of 39277
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Originally Posted by mzupeman View Post

Well the status on their website still says 'coming soon'. May 18th was an estimate date, and was something that wasn't solidified. Nothing ever is with Oppo until it happens.

Thanks. Kinda like the I think December 16 to January 20 original dates of the first EAP.
post #13047 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Paul.R.S View Post

Thanks. Kinda like the I think December 16 to January 20 original dates of the first EAP.

Exactly. I think the May 18th was an early guestimate, but they started crankin' out sales emails to those on the 'interested' list such as myself, and they were updating a ton of players with new firmware before shipping them out. It's a timely process I'm sure, meaning that things had to hold off a bit. I think after getting so much more feedback from this 'interested' buyer list, Oppo may try to make a few more fixes before a main release. I dont' know a thing about what Oppo is doing, I'm just guessing here.
post #13048 of 39277
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Originally Posted by leedom View Post

Is there any way to dim the standard Oppo Logo screen? The WHITE "Oppo" is causing image retention problems on my brand new Pioneer KRP-600M. I'm watching it of course to make sure that I don't leave it up too long and I'm sure this won't be an issue after a few hundred hours on the panel but right now with something like 24 hours on the panel I see an "Oppo" retained dark area for 20 seconds after only a few seconds of displaying the "Oppo" logo. Another option might be the ability to set the screen saver timeout period to a much shorter period ...

Casey

Would "Energy Saver" mode work for you? It turns off the video signal entirely.

-Bill
post #13049 of 39277
Are we expecting a new FW release, before the -83 goes GA?
post #13050 of 39277
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Are we expecting a new FW release, before the -83 goes GA?

I don't know about the availability schedule, but I would expect new firmware soon.

(This is not a promise, just an expectation).

-Bill
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